Is Washington's team name 'The Redskins' offensive?

[Droppersneck]

What about the official nickname of the University of Louisiana at Lafayette athletic team the Rajun Cajuns?

Racist!

 

[ArCi]

New Orleans Linen

lolol

I find this whole Redskin debate hilarious... how come nobody was even talking about this until late 2000's?

I swear people these days try to say everything is offensive, it's almost like they're just looking to start an argument for the sake of arguing.. and over something like a sports team name? Ridiculous.

Can you please show the poll results? I'm interested in who voted for what option

 

[Bardeaux]

I'm not Australian, but Abo is a racial term up there with nigger or coon. It provokes a feeling of hatred. Redskins, to me anyway provokes images of warrior athletes in the same way as Chiefs or Braves do.

But see that's the thing. It doesn't mean the same thing to you as it means to different culture with different history with different social nuances. Before coming to Australia, the word "abo" meant nothing to me, I would have used to freely everywhere I went had I not been educated on it's cultural relevance. "Redskin" has been used throughout American history as a racial slur suggesting negative connotations, especially during a period of ethnic cleansing and forceful relocations.

This whole debate isn't new anyway.

 

[Folley]

Do Washington not wear red?

No, we wear Blue and Green.




Washington DC... well, who gives a fuck about them. It's not even part of America, ever since the shut down that is

 

[One Thousand Words]

The Montreal Canadiens are based in....Montreal, Canada.

So no, why would they be embarrassed?

Apart from them sucking, and the Americans not being Canadian, exactly. The reason it isn't offensive is because Canadians have a higher self esteem for who they are and where they came from. Obviously American Indians have cultural hang ups because of history. That is the main difference between the Maori and Aborigines, for the most part the Maori are proud of their heritage and are happy to be named Chiefs or Warriors were as the Aboriginals do not. Perhaps if Indians weren't so beaten as a people they would see the moniker "Redskin" as an honour, not a racial term.

 

[Bardeaux]

Apart from them sucking, and the Americans not being Canadian, exactly. The reason it isn't offensive is because Canadians have a higher self esteem for who they are and where they came from.

What does them not being Americans have to do with anything? It isn't offensive because "Canadien" isn't a derogatory racial slur.

Perhaps if Indians weren't so beaten as a people they would see the moniker "Redskin" as an honour, not a racial term.

How could a term like "redskin" ever be divorced from racial associations? The very term is red skin lol.

 

[One Thousand Words]

How is being on Team America not a racial term?

Different races exist, it doesn't have to be offensive to accept that. "I'm black and I'm proud" isn't racist so neither should Redskin be.

 

[Bardeaux]

If you're referring to something like the olympics, Team America is referring to a national team. America. American isn't a race, it's a nation-state. Even with teams like Germany, it's referring to the team that represents the nation of Germany, not any particular Germanic race. Are the Washington Redskins supposed to represent the myriad of Native American tribes? Again, I'm not seeing the point.

 

[bit_pattern]

The New Zealand Maori are called All Blacks and no one gives a shit.

The difference is that the All Blacks is made up of mainly Maori, they call themselves that. When was the last time a native American played for Washington?

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

I find this whole Redskin debate hilarious... how come nobody was even talking about this until late 2000's?

It was a issue while I was in school, and that was well before the later part of the last decade.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

The difference is that the All Blacks is made up of mainly Maori, they call themselves that. When was the last time a native American played for Washington?

I know, I cheated by trying to look this up and I found this information:

t's a story accepted as gospel in Washington Redskins history.

In the early 1930s, when the franchise still called Boston home, owner George Preston Marshall had to drop the moniker "Braves" after leaving the stadium he shared with the town's moribund Braves baseball franchise.

So, seeking to honor his part-Sioux coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, he re-christened his team the Redskins. Three years later, Marshall moved the club to Washington, and the rest is history.

Or so the story went until last year, when California multicultural studies professor Linda Waggoner began sniffing around Dietz's biography.

After examining correspondence, census and court records, Waggoner concluded Dietz was a white man who began taking on an Indian identity as a teenager and ultimately seized the past of a vanished Lakota tribesman and made it his own.

- Baltimore Sun

Nothing potentially problematic there.

 

[23536]

It's obviously a racist term. The fact that the majority of football-watching Americans seem to defend it so bituminously is very interesting to me. Personally, I don't care, but if the Indians had a popular lobby anywhere near as powerful as the blacks do, the name would've been changed a long time ago.

 

[23536]

Can you please show the poll results? I'm interested in who voted for what option

These polls are not scientific unless the voters know they are anonymous.

I mean, they're not scientific anyway, but I think they're a bit more accurate if the names remain hidden.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I'm pretty sure if Jay Z had changed the nets to the Brooklyn Niggas it's merchandise would outsell the raiders and lakers combined.

 

[ArCi]

While we're at changing the name of the Washington Redskins we should also make a rule that basketball teams are required have the same number of white and blacks on their roster. I mean a team with majority/all blacks, they are obviously showing they don't like Caucasians. How racist and unfair

 

[Bardeaux]

While we're at changing the name of the Washington Redskins we should also make a rule that basketball teams are required have the same number of white and blacks on their roster. I mean a team with majority/all blacks, they are obviously showing they don't like Caucasians. How racist and unfair

Let's just get rid of sports in general tbh. They're not even sports in America, they're just three hour long commercial advertising campaigns.

NSFW:

nothing drives like a buick

 

[Droppersneck]

Now that is some true commie talk^ Sports and capitalism go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

American sports>>>> all others

 

[bloodshed344]

Now that is some true commie talk^ Sports and capitalism go together like chocolate and peanut butter.

American sports>>>> all others

What's funny is how close to communism our current system of privatizing all the stuff communism would make public is. Basically it's like the in-between state of a nation going towards communism, and we're still at the stage where big government takes control except they're forcing control away from the people onto corporations.

So yeah, current America? Like a classier China or USSR.

 

[23536]

This thread is probably better in the NFL forum.

CE&P ---> S$G

 

[alasdairm]

my team is the new england patriots, droppers.

i win. twice.

alasdair