Does this sound like too much LSD? Or did this guy have a psychotic break?

[feral_cat]

I have never seen anything like what I just experienced. I don't know if what happened was just more LSD than he could handle or did this guy have some kind of psychotic episode. He took three tabs and Jon and I took two. It doesn't seem likely that three tabs would make someone loose it, I've seen people take ten and have a wonderful time. Everything seemed fine for about 4 hours. Adam was obviously tripping pretty hard but doing alright. It seemed like he was having a hard time saying what he was thinking but every once in a while he would say "This is real life?" Looking back on it now, I think this was because he experiencing some kind of delusions I sat down to smoke a spliff and he hit it a few times, maybe that's what kicked it off because that's when it started to get weird. He walked down the hill toward the pond, stopped half way and motioned to us excitedly to come. Jon went, I didn't go, I told them they could go if they want, I was going to sit and have a smoke. After a minute or two they came back up and Adam said "Wasn't that the greatest feeling you've ever felt? And it didn't cost a thing!" We asked him what he meant and he repeated it. He was sitting next to me and shaking. Then he picked up a walnut (there was a few walnut trees around so these hard, green, walnut containing balls were all over the ground) and said "look at this you stupid piece of shit", held it for a moment and then threw it. I finished my smoke and stood up, Adam stood up and shoved Jon in the chest. again calling him a stupid piece of shit. We started to walk back to the camp, that was when he picked up another walnut and threw it at Jon. Jon was like what the hell and then Adam grabbed him and wrestled / pulled him around. At this point I'm worried and I say "Adam, you're freaking us out man" to which he does not reply. We are walking back to camp, Adam is up front and Jon and I are a few steps behind. Jon asks me "Is this how it usually goes?" He has never tripped before, and I tell him "this might be something we have to deal with." Adam seems to hear us and stops walking, he says something, and grabs Jon again. Jon pulls away and then Adam sticks his foot in a puddle and kicks some water at us. I told him that it's gross and I didn't want muddy puddle water on me and start walking toward the barn we were camping in. He followed and sat down in the pile of hay we had been sitting in earlier. He started to say something, I can't remember what then took off his pants, jumped up and ran to the middle of the barn. He was had obviously lost it. He was standing there in the barn completely naked saying "Over here, over here, over here" Jon says "Adam, you're naked, put your clothes on" and gets no reply. Then he starts running again, out of the barn, I follow, he stops at Jon. Jon tells him to put his clothes on and he says no and starts screaming randomly. I catch up and say "Adam, do you want to go back to the barn? We really want to go back to the barn" At this point for a second I thought it was going to be all right. He seemed to have a moment of clarity and said "oh, I'm that guy aren't I" We said no it's ok just come back to the barn. Then he starts screaming again and takes off running. We follow him a short way before he stops again. Now he gets much more confrontational, he tears Jon's shirt off, smacks him, grabs him all the while with the "you stupid piece of shit" and random bursts of screaming. I tell Adam very sternly "You have to calm down or we are going to have to contain you to keep you from hurting anybody" He grabs for Jon again and I get him in the face with the pepper spray I carry on my belt. It had hardly any effect. He screamed for a few seconds, fell to the ground and I jumped on his back, grabbed his neck and dug my fingers as hard as I could into his throat. I told him "You are going to calm down motherfucker or I am going to hurt you. He calmed down for a second and then threw me off. At this point I get really scared, he was just too strong for us to contain. I am a survivor of abuse and it has left with PTSD and anxiety. Any kind of shouting scares me, even on the tv. Violent situations give me panic attacks and I tend to overreact. I scream "If you hurt anybody I am going to fucking cut you." If he had come directly after me I probably would have. I'm a hair's breadth from flipping over into PTSD crazytime, by all means necessary survival mode. Somehow I managed to not freak out. If I ran, it was about a mile until I got to the end of the driveway and then I was still in the middle of nowhere. We kept trying to contain him in one area all the while not getting hit. Finally after about an hour of this, two of the people that live there showed up. I ran over and told them we had a problem and we needed help. They came over to see the situation and maybe help talk him out of it. Then Adam smacked Megan and they decided they had better just call 911. They called for help and we kept Adam at bay until the police got there. I have never been so happy to see the police pull up in my life. Jon and the officer were able to get Adam handcuffed, and the officer was able to keep him in one spot, even though it took all his might. At one point Adam was sitting on the ground with the officer behind him when he jumps to his feet. While he wrestles Adam back to the ground he screams at the top of his lungs "You see what this shit does to you?" It was very surreal. When the ambulance finally got there, it took six people to get Adam strapped down to the stretcher. Screaming all the while. Luckily the cops didn't charge anybody, just let us call for a ride and told us don't come back tonight. Adam went to the hospital and was released about 48 hours later. Adam has texted me and apologized but I don't feel like I could ever feel comfortable around him. He said he doesn't remember anything, I doubted he would. I just couldn't be alright in the same room with someone who I looked at and really felt I might have to stab to protect myself. My anxiety has been off the charts since this happened three days ago. I have pretty much shut myself in my house since then. I tried to go to Kroger so I had some things to eat but when I went in I saw how many people were in there I got so nervous I forgot what I wanted to get and had to leave. I would just disappear and ignore all contact from him, but his motorcycle is in my garage, I have to meet him here so I can let him get his motorcycle. I don't even know what to say to him. Should I be worried? Did Adam just take too much or did he snap mentally?

 

[Lost Ego]

Sounds like a really bad experience man. Sorry you had to go through that. This guy adam had a really bad trip and you guys got caught in the middle of it. This all could have been solved with a benzo, carry some with you next time you trip. Also to help prevent pissing off someone in a bad trip is if he wanted to dance around naked or play walnut wars, you should have let him. Most people don't like being controlled and more-so when they're tripping.

Nah don't be worried. You're not in danger. Just meet him at your house, have the motorcycle all ready to go, and if you're if that's how you feel you should be honest and tell him that he scared you and you don't think you can trust him anymore. He's gonna feel just as awkward about it as you.

 

[EarthBounded]

Shorten that up and then I will read it and respond.

 

[Salute my shorts]

pepper spray, knives, walnuts? haha wtf? have you guys just tried relaxing at home and putting on the hobbit or something to watch?

 

[Reverend Random]

Too long, did not read. Format that post, for the love of *insert random deity*.

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

That was annoying to read. Paragraphs are your friend.

I'd imagine anyone who got pepper sprayed while tripping would go berserk and not calm down again after that.

From the sounds of it you were pretty close to a psychotic break too, threatening to attack your friend with a knife.

 

[donvliet]

I didn't read the whole post, but enough to read about smoking weed while tripping. This is something that you see often in these kind of reports. A significant portion of people cannot handle weed on psychs, and should refrain from combining them.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

hey dude I just wanted you to know about this new thing they invented, they're called paragraphs and they are so cool!

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

if I read correctly he took 3 hits of strong acid for his first trip? That was probably a bad idea. Psychadelics are not for everyone and LSD can be a mighty powerful one. It's definetly possible that he lost touch with all reality and forgot he was tripping.

 

[EarthBounded]

In all seriousness shorten this up to one brief paragraph we want to help you we just dont have time for every post like this

 

[pmoseman]

It sounds like he had a black out and he should be safe.

 

[feral_cat]

That was annoying to read. Paragraphs are your friend.

I'd imagine anyone who got pepper sprayed while tripping would go berserk and not calm down again after that.

From the sounds of it you were pretty close to a psychotic break too, threatening to attack your friend with a knife.

Have you ever been attacked while on acid? Like I said, I've got some issues. That's why I usually don't hang out with people who attack me. I didn't pepper spray him until he started getting really physical and ripped Jon's shirt off. I'm not ok with people hurting my friends. This isn't the first time I"ve been attacked by "friends" either. I've got a traumatic history and I'm a little broken.

Sorry about the bad formatting, this was not an easy thing to write, fighting off a panic attack the whole time.

 

[my3rdeye]

No guide book for when trips go bad. Do you try to stop someone having bad time from leaving, and if so how far do you go in restraining them? If you let them go and they get lost or drown, is it your fault? I trailed my boy secretly when he wanted to go and everyone was worried he would get hurt. If you stay far enough back and they are tripping hard enough they won't notice you.
More people should agree on ground rules when group tripping. Don't try and decide stuff when you are all peaking. Your story is one that would have had a better outcome if you had some benzos. There is no reason for LSD trips to ever end in ambulance trip, save EMS and hospitals and cops time for real emergencies.

 

[His Name Is Frank]

pepper spray, knives, walnuts? haha wtf? have you guys just tried relaxing at home and putting on the hobbit or something to watch?

Seriously. You should have called an ambulance in the very beginning. Either that or located some benzos for your friend. You should always have benzos on standby when dealing with psychs. They've brought me down from hating life because of a bad trip to chill mode in 30 minutes or less. Pepper spray and knives though? That's pretty fucked up.

 

[pmoseman]

There is no reason for LSD trips to ever end in ambulance trip, save EMS and hospitals and cops time for real emergencies.

Perhaps you mean trippers overreact. It ranges from people who think they are going to die to people who think they are going to be fine, and neither can control what is going to happen, regardless of reason.

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

Have you ever been attacked while on acid? Like I said, I've got some issues. That's why I usually don't hang out with people who attack me. I didn't pepper spray him until he started getting really physical and ripped Jon's shirt off. I'm not ok with people hurting my friends. This isn't the first time I"ve been attacked by "friends" either. I've got a traumatic history and I'm a little broken.

Sorry about the bad formatting, this was not an easy thing to write, fighting off a panic attack the whole time.

No I haven't, because all of my trips with other people have factored in the possibility of a psychotic break by having benzos and Seroquel on hand to subdue the person.

I know that you reacted after being attacked, but I stand by the fact that it sounds like the PTSD coupled with tripping hard pushed you close to a psychotic break yourself.

 

[tryptofan]

I know this question has become a kind of cliché as of late, but I feel the need to ask: How do we know the substance in question was LSD?

Pardon me if the answer was written up somewhere, but navigating through that wall of text is quite a challenge.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

"Adam" just seems like a piece of shit. He obviously has aggression, insecurity issues with other people and or himself that are always there, being on acid made him snap

 

[thatdreamer123]

Damn, that's a really shitty situation.

But damn, I can't imagine LSD having such odd effects like that, although I've only had it twice, and a maximum of 175ug, I can't imagine such a scenario happening. I could see someone actually freaking out and getting scared or overwhelmed possibly, but this guy must have issues, how he was absolutely incoherent, not responding and getting violent.

Did he seem scared? I'm just picturing some dude with a crazy look in his eye silently going about these ridiculous acts with 100% confidence, and it just doesn't make sense.

Could see this maybe going down with mushrooms, but LSD? seems even more unlikely.

dudes fucked.

 

[Clocktower]

Some people are more sensitive to LSD than others, this sort of thing is rare but it does happen. Adam didn't "snap mentally" he just took too much LSD.

Never take three tabs until you've tried two, never take two until you've tried one.