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Television Breaking Bad

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ErikTheRed said:
I think this article about the finale is definitely worth reading for those that feel Walt's revenge/redemption plan went too smoothly: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/09/breaking-bad-finale-reviewed.html

I loved the finale. But I think the article raises some interesting points.
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That article is great, I did feel his plan worked a little too perfectly, but that article really takes it a step further and makes an intelligent argument from it. Thanks for posting it!
 
Honestly that article is easy to debunk. She consistently references fortunate coincidences as if they were somehow uncharacteristic of the show. It’s as if every single episode previous were firmly grounded in probability, and only now the show was taking liberties with regards to the story that it wanted to tell.

It comes down to this, Breaking Bad was always about entertainment. Highly stylistic and well produced entertainment but nonetheless. This is nothing against the show. I loved it from the first episode I saw randomly in a hotel room (Better Call Saul) to the finale. But to paraphrase 23536, this isn't homework television. This was a story, with an arc, that concluded that arc. The ending fit perfectly.
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That said, the only loophole I could see is why Walt decided to kill Lydia. He had no idea that she was trying to get him or his wife killed. She had nothing to do with the theft of his money. Actually it was her that set up the entire operation that made all of that money through their European export business. I guess, now thinking about it, that an argument can be made that she was essentially part of the meth operation that was behind murdering Hank. Yet she had no part in that plan and was opposed to continuing business after it happened. And look, I'm no fan of Lydia. I certainly thought she was justified in what she got. Yeah it's nitpicking. However, the show is over and so there is nothing left to do but nitpick and praise.

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Also I learned from that article that one of the photography crew members of the show is named Ursula Coyote. That name is feature film in itself waiting to happen.
 
batmanplaybaseball said:
Honestly that article is easy to debunk. She consistently references fortunate coincidences as if they were somehow uncharacteristic of the show. It’s as if every single episode previous were firmly grounded in probability, and only now the show was taking liberties with regards to the story that it wanted to tell.
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I thought the same thing. The episode wasn't even the most far-fetched and Macguyverish in the series. The fulminated mercury episode or the magnet episode easily have more contrivance.

But I don't think that is her point. Her point is that the whole episode seemed like fantasy. She compared it to the dreamed part of Mulholland Dr. and I think that's an interesting comparison. She's saying that she experienced the episode as Walt's dying fantasy as he froze to death in the Volvo waiting for the cops to leave.

I just read this on some blog:

At 86 degrees, your heart, its electrical impulses hampered by chilled nerve tissues, becomes arrhythmic. It now pumps less than two-thirds the normal amount of blood. The lack of oxygen and the slowing metabolism of your brain, meanwhile, begin to trigger visual and auditory hallucinations.
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One other thing to consider: the finale is the only episode in the series where Walt is present for every scene.

What would we think of the finale if at the end it dissolved from Walt smiling on the floor of the lab to Walt's face in a frozen rictus in the Volvo? Similar maybe to the final shot of The Shining:

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To me, that would've been the starkest moment in television history.
 
Did anyone see how he actually slipped her the ricin? I know he said it was in the sweetener stuff but in the actual package?
 
I actually think that's pretty easy, you could make a small incision, carefully empty the contents and then through the same hole add the ricin. then, use a bit of wax or even tape...who examines their sugar packets closely?

Or were you kidding, because someone asked a question exactly like this about suboxone strips the other day?
 
Lydia was messing around with the packet in her hands plenty to notice a piece of tape on it. Maybe Im just getting too detailed in my thoughts about it, but Id still like an explanation. I suppose a little bit of wax is possible to go unnoticed.
 
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I was actually going over this for about a half hour yesterday because it would be very difficult to tamper with one of those and not have someone notice. They don't have tape on them, and a packet that had tape to cover a rip would make me uncomfortable where I'd put it back and just grab another packet.

I had assumed it was some sort of adhesive and he made the rip in an area of the bag that would diminish chances of noticing anything amiss. Say he separated the bottom and pulled it evenly openly along the bottom ridge. If he didn't rip down onto packaging at all, I would think he could put a mild adhesive on the inner portion of the edge to shut it back up and make it look like it's brand new. Maybe if Lydia had thoroughly investigated it then she would have caught on, but she was always seems a bit jumpy and uptight, so when she sees Walt everything is kind of a blur for her.
 
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