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Agree or disagree: Drugs are something to do while you're young

Drugs are something to do while youre young: Agree or disagree?

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  • Disagree

    Votes: 21 87.5%

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This is an issue I've been turning over in my head for years now. I should have known I'd end up writing a manifesto. Feel free to skip what I've written below and just answer the question. Mods, can I get a poll with this?

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Among those who condone recreational drug use at all, I've encountered a commonly held notion that this behavior fits with the youthful experimentation and boundary-pushing phase that marks the months- or years-long transition from childhood to adulthood. (Some of us willingly choose, or are forced by circumstance, to grow up much faster than others.) The implication, of course, is that when one's maturation or coming-of-age is complete, recreational drug use no longer fits, and should stop. Ideally, in this line of thinking, this letting go of drug use should feel as natural as a tree shedding a leaf in autumn -- those were fun times, but I'm past that. A lot of people who hold this belief would have a hard time accepting somebody clearly no longer a 'youth' by any stretch of the imagination who still recreated chemically, especially if they seemed to have no shame about it or no plans to ever quit for good. Such a person would be presumed to have matured abnormally, or incompletely.

From a traditional societal viewpoint, this makes sense. Risk taking is best done when one has the least to lose, that is, before making adult commitments and becoming enmeshed in a web of people who depend on you, and cannot afford (nay, do not deserve) the eventual repercussions of you putting your health and safety on the line. Simply put, drug use by older adults is irresponsible, and if you have so few commitments or responsibilities that this doesn't apply, this says nothing flattering about you either.

I see this argument. But frankly, I couldn't agree less.

From what we now know about the brain and other organs of the body that grow and mature in adolescence, any time before full adulthood is probably the worst time to use recreational drugs. Think of a tree that grows against a wire fence. The earlier in the tree's life it has to cope with a stiff wire fence pressing against it, the greater an influence the fence will have on the shape of the tree, and the harder it will be to ever separate the tree from the fence. It's well documented in the medical literature that the younger a person begins the episodic, years-long use of a mind-altering substance, the worse they'll cope with living without it (or something similar) if they ever have to, because the deeper an imprint it will have on them as a person. A 40 year old who started smoking cigarettes when he was 8 has a cigarette-shaped hole in his soul in the way a 40 year old who first picked up the habit after college doesn't. When a patient who's managed to quit drinking alcohol asks me if she can ever drink again socially, my answer is that she's only got a snowman's chance in hell if she ever was a moderate drinker.

There are plenty of cultures where the consumption of alcohol happens in small amounts, in very specific all-age social settings. Kids who grow up in these cultures are a lot less likely to ever abuse alcohol. They can vividly remember enjoying these events and relating to the adults there, who were drinking alcohol, without themselves drinking any of it. It would be very easy for a kid who grew up in such a culture to think of alcohol as something adults do, that isn't a big secret or taboo, and is associated with family or community bonding. Someone with such associations would be a lot less driven, as an adult, to drink in quantities or situations where sober people would have a hard time relating to them.

I don't see why other mild-altering substances, especially ones where low doses are not incapacitating but still enjoyable, couldn't develop similar places in human cultures. Just because there is no such thing as risk-free drug use doesn't mean the risk involved can't be substantially mitigated by social rules about when and how much is appropriate to use, and how someone under the influence of the drug ought to behave. I understand that cultural drug use patterns, and attitudes toward use, typically evolve over centuries of trial and error. Maybe I'm just too much of a liberal progressive, but I'm inclined to think that with the right initiatives and institutions, public opinion on an awful lot of things can be created and changed ad hoc. Granted this would probably work better for some drugs than others. I'm of the (also controversial) belief that there are some drugs that, by their intrinsic pharmacodynamics, just don't lend themselves to moderate use, and carry a substantial risk for serious harm at any active dose, in any set and setting, at any frequency of use, in most people. But I think this describes a small minority of the substances that people willingly put in their brains.

In the end, it's all about a critical mass of people who make social conservatives look delusional for thinking you can't be a recreational drug user and a responsible adult / upstanding citizen at the same time. Establishing that critical mass would be a formidable challenge. The problem is that drug use's "beyond the pale" status is self-perpetuating. The more adults who use drugs fail at living up to society's standards of adult responsibility and behavior, the more they prove anti-drug crusaders' point that drug use is incompatible with mature adulthood, and worthy of condemnation. And the more recreational drug use is condemned and marginalized, the more overrepresented people with an antisocial bent, who don't give a shit about community or the wellbeing of really anybody but themselves, will be among drug users.

I think the perspective of someone who's come-of-age and gotten some solid life experience before ever using drugs would, in and of itself, mitigate a lot of the inherent risk of drug use. A more mature novice psychonaut would be less likely to want to use in a way that alienated them from mainstream society -- or advocate that others do the same. This is because they'd be less likely to make the use of the drug central to their lives, and more likely to accept deep down that there are no shortcuts or free lunches in life. They'd be more likely to use moderately and put some thought into the set, setting, and timing of their use, since they'd more likely to see from the outset that they'd have to budget time, energy, and money to recover from and process the experience. They'd likely be more accomplished in other areas of their life, and therefore less likely to feel the need to attach bravado to their drug use in order to prove themselves to other people.

Someday, I may join (or found) a secret society of middle aged and/or older adults who are still interested in moderate, responsible psychonautical exploration, free of any of the "youthful indescretions" baggage that drug use tends to carry. For now, sadly, such a group would probably have to be fairly secret, because until a critical mass of dissenters is amassed, being a martyr to the cause and putting our careers, good legal standing, or the custody of our children on the line is just not a palatable option. Hopefully someday, though, membership in such secret groups would become so common and widespread that we'd all look around and realize the emperor had no clothes on. Then you'd see a sea change in public opinion, much as the acceptance of homosexuality has swept over the Western world over the past few decades.
 
i would say that when you are real young drugs are something that should never enter your system or you'll be fucked for life
 
I agree with mr flowers... i started at 12 experimenting,then when in HS started drinking w/ benzo's, not with other people,just by myself. It was fun then but sad now that I look back on that. But anyway, I think for some people it's like that they use and were like "oh that was in my younger days". Or the complete opposite..depends on the person I guese.
 
I don't think drugs are something to get out of your system when you are young at all, in fact, I started taking drugs at a rather young age and I really regret this now, it would seem to me I have suffered a lot of negative effects of drug use that a number of friends and associates who waited until they came of age (and still caned it hard in most cases) don't really seem to.

I do believe that there are some drugs which are pretty physically taxing, meth and cocaine spring to mind, when one reaches a certain age they are certainly putting more strain on their bodies by using these substances than before, I wouldn't say this means they have to give it up all together but I think the impact on a 50 year old sniffing a gram or two of coke every weekend or fortnight will be a lot greater than the impact on a 25 year old doing the same thing. Drugs like cannabis, psychedelics, dissociatives, benzodiazepines, opiates and to a slightly lesser extent MDMA probably don't put a great deal more strain on the body of an older person, and in the case of psychedelics and dissociatives they may actually be better equipped mentally to handle them.

I really think the idea that drugs are something to get out of your system when you are young stems from both a perception that it is more acceptable, or atleast normal, for youths to engage in risk taking behavior and also just the general idea that it is immature to break the law. You are probably right in saying that since generally as people get older they settle down and have families that helps form the perception that risk taking behavior in general should be mostly confined to youths.
 
On a completely HR side I don't think they should be consumed before 21.
If you're going to abuse occasionally as a kid, I think it's something you'll mature out of. If you use responsibly I think one would be more likely to sustain it.

Is it just a phase? For some kids yes definitely, especially those that are doing it to mix with 'cooler' kids or to rebel.
 
Just obviously, when people set out participating in an activity trying to 'get it out of their system', they rarely do.

ebola
 
Agree or disagree: Drugs are something to 'get out of your system' while you're young

No they're something to 'get in to your system' while you're older or wiser. :\
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
Agree or disagree: Drugs are something to 'get out of your system' while you're young

I disagree. Youth should be focused on setting the foundation for their life. Teenagers, especially around high school aged, should concentrate more on their education, work, and future career or life plans. Once someones brain is fully developed, and they have a solid grounding in life with responsibilities of their own (such as paying their own bills, their own place to live, consistent income, etc) then IMO it's at that point they are mature enough to make rational decisions around experimenting with drugs or not.

There's no rush to 'get it out of your system,' I think it would be far more healthy for youth to wait until they have a strong structure and routine in life as an adult. Honestly if I could go back and do it again, I would have waited until I graduated collage to begin experimenting, ~22-23, but the brain doesn't stop developing until 25. Someone with a strong enough will to wait until 25, then I think has enough smarts, strength and will power to make the right choices concerning experimenting.
 
If your going to do them i would do them in mid and late twenties, after your brain has matured a bit, dont want to go around with a permanently unripe fruit your whole life.. then plan on using your thirties to piece everything back together...
 
This question I struggle with a lot now. I started doing a lot of drugs from 17-19, then just before I turned 20 I went to a long-term treatment centre & had 15 months of mostly sobriety. Then I got (kicked) out just before turning 21 & now here I am, knowing I shouldn't go back to shooting meth, coke, heroin, but wanting to. I should just drink & smoke weed & boring shit, but it's tough.

I'm on the fence.
 
From what we now know about the brain and other organs of the body that grow and mature in adolescence, any time before full adulthood is probably the worst time to use recreational drugs.

You're exactly right, and while experimenting with substances tends to be something that adolescents do, well, it's not something that I think adolescents should be doing. Simply put, young people do not have the same ability to calculate risk or foresee potential repercussions, and so they're more likely to engage in risky behavior; but in the same way that I wouldn't want my child to strap a rocket onto his back and hop on his skateboard, I wouldn't want my child to experiment with mind-altering substances either.

This isn't to say that drugs and drug use would become off-limit topics for discussion and such, and should my child begin to experiment with substances, I certainly would not alienate my child, but it's not something that I would encourage.

I'm of the (also controversial) belief that there are some drugs that, by their intrinsic pharmacodynamics, just don't lend themselves to moderate use, and carry a substantial risk for serious harm at any active dose, in any set and setting, at any frequency of use, in most people. But I think this describes a small minority of the substances that people willingly put in their brains.

This is also true. There are just some substances that are almost inherently dangerous and by their very nature just incredibly habit-forming and addictive.
 
I disagree

Drugs are something you should get out of your system hen you want to stop using - whether that is because you have decided or seen they are causing to much damage to be worth it, you are afraid of the legal consequences, or you just don't enjoy them like you used to is a personal thing.

I don't ever intend to quit but I would like to use a lot less and it would be in my best interest if I cut back significantly now. At least I am not taking huge doses of benzos combined with various other sedative drugs almost every day now, but I'd like to not use drugs every day.

Being old will have nothing to do with cutting back on drug use. It will probably be finding some other fulfilling things to do in my life (not that drugs are the only thing) so I don't feel empty so often and use drugs to get rid of that feeling. Even when I am happy with my life (if that ever happens) I will still at least use psychedelics and cannabinoids and I am sure I will use opiates and benzos when bad things happen to upset me.

I hope when I am on my deathbed I'd love to be given lots of heroin. DMT, and ketamine (and maybe a few dozen other things) through an IV on those last few days so I can save the best trip for last, and no worry if I OD.
 
Definitely agree, when you're young odds are you're only really affecting yourself with your drug use, as you get older and have others depend on you, drug use begins to take on more of a shade of negligence. However, it's not an exact question of age as opposed to responsibility, your drug use should never significantly impact your meeting your obligations.
 
Definitely agree, when you're young odds are you're only really affecting yourself with your drug use, as you get older and have others depend on you, drug use begins to take on more of a shade of negligence. However, it's not an exact question of age as opposed to responsibility, your drug use should never significantly impact your meeting your obligations.

This.
My ex's father was a cokehead, or H addict.. I'm not sure, I wasn't into hard drugs when I dated her, just weed & sometimes alcohol.
Anyways, I saw first-hand what damage an irresponsible drug addicted grown man could do. It's quite sad really. I can't help but think she only dated me because I was a spitting image of her father. meh.
If you can be responsible and keep your drug use in moderation, I guess it's acceptable, however, you still run a high risk of fucking up and losing everything.
Then again, that's not being responsible at all. I'm definitely not responsible. You can't rely on me for shit, unless you have some money & need a ride. lol.
I'm still young, and I have a whole lot more drugs to do. However, I can't see myself shooting up or getting wasted when I'm 30 & have a family to take care of.
 
Doing drugs is certainly easier to get away with when you're young and proud.

In an ideal world I would have lived a labourious and fruitful life , raised a family and taken up opiates in the waning days of my life smoking the savings I couldn't take with me in the grave. Like the chinese used to do with opium smoking (well not sure that's true ).

Anyway life sucks or I suck with life , So here I am 26 and drugs are not really the alpha but definately the omega
 
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