May not be philosophy and definitely not spirituality

[fifleman]

It has been long that I have been warring inside with delusion. To me, delusion makes up this world. Politics, personal beliefs, religion, governments, countries, laws, everything I see daily.

Does anything else believe in delusion of this life? If it were me, we would be having sex with anyone we want, learning each others cultures and trades, and co-existing peacefully until our time has passed.

Tell me about your ideas of delusion in your life today if you have any. I am near death from a sick-existence of falsity.

Don't expand on the subject. Delusion is delusion. Keep it simple and remember love is the core, as we are all transitory.

 

[dopemegently]

I think if it were not for deluding ourselves on some level we'd probably go insane; how could we enjoy life with the constant overriding knowledge that we and everybody we love will die? How would we feel about the fact that we're destroying our planet, guaranteeing the extinction of our species and every other species? How would we feel if we could see ourselves through a strangers eyes without the protection of our egos?

This is more denial than delusion, i admit...but when i think about this shit, i realize one thing:denial is a necessary evil in this world

 

[Foreigner]

I have been having a hard time lately accepting that relationships (friendships or otherwise) all eventually come to an end. The delusion of permanence has struck me again and I'm trying to recall all the work I've done on impermanence in the past.

OP, it sounds like you are describing the mayan illusion. It's very obvious to me when I walk around big cities and look at all the consumption happening, as well as where people are placing their values and energy. It's not so easy to see through the illusion when you're in more accommodating spaces that resonate with you, or when things are happening that you enjoy.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

earning each others cultures

But culture is a delusion based off of what you said, culture would become homogenous the moment we took up your pacifist, hedonist outlook (that you think is not delusional, or a superior delusion to the rest?)

co-existing peacefully

A basic requirement of your plan is eliminating in-group/out-group thinking by placing all of humanity within our most intimate in-group. Our minds aren't built that way. We relate to, and value, people we know more than strangers, and those similar to us more than those who are dissimilar. The interests of a particular in-group are often in conflict with those of some out-group, making altercation inevitable.

Tell me about your ideas of delusion in your life today if you have any

I am a hairless ape made of dust on an insignificant mote of a planet. There is no reason to think I should be able to tap into objectivity or mystical energies rather than be a survival based organism like the rest. So there is no delusion, just the behavior of another species that will fall as it did rise, its genetic heritage wiped out with the rest of the planet, leaving only some EM radiation and a couple of minute spacecraft drifting through the unfathomable depths of the cosmos to prove it ever existed.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

Does anything else believe in delusion of this life? If it were me, we would be having sex with anyone we want, learning each others cultures and trades, and co-existing peacefully until our time has passed.
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I would love to have sex with whoever I want and live peacefully happily ever after too. I think so would everyone. That is not an easily achievable thing though because of scarcity of resources that we as living creatures of the earth individually face. That's why you see competition resulting in all the sexual frustration, starvation, war, and pretty much everything else bad in the world. The purpose of all life is to thrive, but thriving is often not easy.

 

[atara]

I don't think your post is really about delusion. Your argument just boils down to a conceited utopianism, i.e., thinking the world could just be perfect if some simple "mistake" could be eliminated, and furthermore you're all to happy to tell people what that is. The axioms are:

* a perfect organization, i.e. a system of social norms and roles, of the world exists

* it represents a contentment equilibrium, i.e. people will be satisfied and won't try to change it

* furthermore, you know what this organization is

* [optional] you know how to enact it

The first three have been popular axioms among many historical figures, but none have ever been successful in reality. The most obvious example is the philosophy of Karl Marx, or, on the other side of the coin, the economic ideas of Friedrich Hayek and John Maynard Keynes. Other notable world-shapers include Henry Kissinger and Adolf Hitler, especially with regard to p4. Of course, with the exception of Keynes, none of these people really contributed to societal progress with their ideas, rather threatened it, and Keynes was far more modest than the others, seeking only universal employment and steady economic progress.

This sort of thinking is dangerous. It's arrogant to think you know, as though gifted with divine insight, how to make everything work perfectly. Or, as P.J. O'Rourke put it:

"Idealism is based on big ideas. And, as anybody who has ever been asked 'What's the big idea?' knows, most big ideas are bad ones."

 

[fifleman]

I want to thank you all for your input.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

utopia is an ideal; ideals don't exist, because they are pure; therefore there can be no conceited utopia; maybe you think about utopia as the best that can be, rather than a perfect society

also, despite what you think you know about hitler the truth was probably that he wanted to see as many people die before he died; in this sense one could actually argue that he was for destroying the human race, sensing its inherent damned nature

people who have trouble dealing with the impermanence of relationships are insecure; they, for instance, probably don't have enough work to do

 

[GodandLove]

I don't think your post is really about delusion. Your argument just boils down to a conceited utopianism, i.e., thinking the world could just be perfect if some simple "mistake" could be eliminated

I agree

also, despite what you think you know about hitler the truth was probably that he wanted to see as many people die before he died; in this sense one could actually argue that he was for destroying the human race, sensing its inherent damned nature

Yep


Believe it or not.... but your delusions are your safeguards.... Because there are very very evil men in this world... and all they want is to watch the world burn... and to make things worse these very same men are highly intelligent and are even in positions of power as we speak... So try to make the most of what you've got.

Love every second. You can't get them back.... Unless you know how.


I just remembered the first time I smoked Salvia... My intentions were to remove my "filters"... I so badly wanted unfiltered reality..... and then after the third hit..... I was BEGGING for my filters to be restored... Life's funny like that.

You may be sick of your delusions now... But I believe in our current state were not ready for the burdens of the universe... Our minds would be torn apart.

 

[Foreigner]

people who have trouble dealing with the impermanence of relationships are insecure; they, for instance, probably don't have enough work to do

I've considered this, but I'm usually able to let go of people fairly readily, even people I've known for a long time. It's just that every now and then a really close friend or person who played an important role in my life pulls on my heart strings.

I'm not perfect or enlightened so I don't think it's an insecurity to still have very human responses to certain endings. It's possible to hold a higher view of it while simultaneously going through a grieving process.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I would call it an insecurity still, but with the caveat that I don't view it as inhuman. I think our social cohesion is an integral part of our collective domination of earth - it also can lead to greater emotional falling when a bond is broken relative to humans expectations of themselves. I think the world we've created has evolved much faster than we have, leading to irrational expectations. Five thousand years ago, most human groups were very small in number, so social discord was minimal, as was being kept (physically and mentally) from those whom one loved. Today, the size and complication of industrialization has created a machine of a landscape for an animal of a being.

What you speak of well places the gap between our mental and emotional development.