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Hinduism / the foundation of Buddhism?

TheAppleCore

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I am attempting to better understand Buddhism by learning more about its history; its roots. As far as I understand it, Siddhartha Gautama's awakening occurred in the context of Upanishadic Hinduism.

Aside from an English translation of the Upanishads, what sort of literature will provide me with a decent grasp on the essential principles of Hinduism? I also plan to read the Bhagavad Gita.
 
yes Siddhartha Gautama was Hindu. in Hinduism Lord Buddha is the planet Mercury, who represents the intellect and communication. Gautama being the essence of intellect and communication, begot his own ideas(go figure) and developed personal discrepancies; which for the most part were related to sacrifice being practiced in Hindu culture. in Hinduism the concept of sacrifice can take many forms: from picking a flower to gift or admire, or gathering vegetables to eat, gather and harvest from nature giving thanks to god for the resources. although, as with early Christianity, animals or people often would become part of a sacrifice. Gautama chose to give up worldly pleasures, to attain more spiritual peace. this choice might seem like a sacrifice for a Buddhist, but it would only be sacrificial to let go of what you had attained, as it is not sacrificial to neglect obtaining.

read the Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita, especially the chapter on Karmic Yoga from the Bhagavad Gita. more importantly though, allow yourself to be drawn toward a yogi, who most likely will reiterate how there is not much you can learn from those books compared to what can be observed in nature, and learned from within yourself.
_________

He's That Rascally Kind Of Yogi

He's that rascally kind of yogi
who has no sky or earth,
no hand, foot,
form or shape.
Where there's no market
he sets up shop,
weighs things
and keeps the accounts.
No deeds, no creeds,
no yogic powers,
not even a horn or gourd,
so how can he
go begging?

'I know you
and you know me
and I'm inside of you.'

When there isn't a trace
of creation or destruction,
what do you meditate on?
That yogi built a house
brimful of Ram.
He has no healing herbs,
his root-of-life
is Ram.

He looks and looks
at the juggler's tricks,
the magician's sleight-of-hand -
Kabir says, saints, he's made it
to the King's land.

- Kabir


;)
 
I am no expert in the history of Buddhism but from personal experience I know if you can grasp the Gita you are on track. Try to find the opportunity to learn/practise Zen meditation to help you on the way. Many of the books on mindfulness meditation are also helpful.
 
'Hinduism' didn't exist in Buddha's time. A priestly 'Vedic' caste did. Mahavira was Buddha's closest contemporary.

You will not understand Buddhism through Hinduism. Ronald Davidson's book on Tantricism is a classic for understanding the development of Buddhism throughout Asia.

If you want to understand Hinduism you need to get an overview of Vedic Literature. Not just reread the cliched classics. The Gita will not help you understand Hinduism.

Buddhism has many schools and each one is different from the last. For classical Buddhism you study the Pali Cannon.

You will not understand Christianity by studying Judism. They are completely different in the idea of a personal God who gives a shit.

So also Hinduism and Buddhism have influenced each other but many Hindus blame Buddhism for the discontinuance of Hinduism as the major religion of India. Hindus and Buddhism historically have killed each other in the most hideous fashion. The Shivittes in Nepal used to boil the Tibetan Buddhists in boiling oil.

There is no use in persuing a study of either cult without meditation.
 
If you want to learn about Buddhism, forget the origin texts. Read what modern Buddhist scholars are writing about Buddhism. Buddhism is essentially a lived experience, and it is difficult to extract that out from within the socio-cultural landscape that original texts where written in.
 
If you want to learn about Buddhism, forget the origin texts. Read what modern Buddhist scholars are writing about Buddhism. Buddhism is essentially a lived experience, and it is difficult to extract that out from within the socio-cultural landscape that original texts where written in.

This. If you're trying to make genuine spiritual inroads then you're better off learning the foundational principles and then using your own life context as the practice. Keep in mind that most of the classical texts were reserved for people fated to the priest class of society. Children were sent to monasteries and ashrams at an early age to receive direct education from teachers, and did not rely on the books in vacuou. Furthermore, depending on what caste you were, the holy books themselves were not allowed to be touched.

We are far removed from the ancient world view, and most of the resources available to us are through translation. It's better to look at what modern scholars are saying and take the relevant info to integrate into your spiritual practice.
 
We are far removed from the ancient world view, and most of the resources available to us are through translation. It's better to look at what modern scholars are saying and take the relevant info to integrate into your spiritual practice.

This is what I suspected, which is why I made the thread. Was hoping to gather some pointers toward good modern interpretations.
 
I recommend the book, "Yoga and the Hindu Tradition," by Jean Varenne.
 
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