"God"

[trillish10]

So, the concept of God/Gods is the longest standing concept we have as humans. Since conscious thinking began, this concept of a being with power man cannot understand, whom created all, has existed. How do we know? On what premiss does this lie?
My idea is that, the God that many perceive is not what they expect. They believe this god is a thinking, conscious being with control of all and whom created all. I feel this "being" or lack of a better word is no more than a high output energy source that we do not understand as of today. This energy is prominent and easily able to identify, if looking for it. Its almost like the concept of love. It is real, but that energy cannot be explained. You can feel love, literally. This is how i believe God works. A positive energy similar to love. Maybe a being, but non conscious at that. A being so high level that almost anyone can feel it, but not understand it. I believe this energy engulfs us everyday, and unites us with the universe and everything to exist and ever will exist. it is like a net over top of everything that is, it connects us all. This is what i feel god is. this energy net, something that binds us with all. This energy is hard to interpret and understand thus humans believe it is a higher entity, an entity who will hear, think and do, when that certainly may not be the case at all. This is all speculation and based on no solid evidence or material but it is just an idea. For all we know God could be something that we literally cannot understand or interpret, in the slightest. What do you think? I am open to all opinions and thoughts and will be glad to take into consideration what you believe, as truly we are all in the same boat.

 

[Raasyvibe]

I think we could all potentially be Gods. Me and you. Not now... but a few hundred thousand years time, maybe.

So if we look to ourselves, our ability to progress and develop... to a point where we'd become omniscient, perhaps we could relate to God.

As an entity, like us, but who has thousands/millions(?) years under his belt.

So I guess I see God as a very developed person, a special person granted control... rather than some "mysterious energy" as you described.

 

[Tromps]

Oh boy here this one goes again... I love these topics %)

Jesus Christ is the absolute Son of God. When we begin to understand who Jesus is, we begin to understand who God is and the attributes of God.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

 

[ebola?]

If 'god' is to prove useful as a concept, it must function as a concept attempting to denote that which lies beyond that which may be expressed via conceptualization (and thus also constituting the underlying preconditions for the activity of conceptualization).

Is this what people mean by "god"?

ebola

 

[L2R]

 

[panic in paradise]

once there was a quilt -

NSFW:

this quilt soon began to unravel itself, reaching out, creating a cataclysmal event that created the meager speck of a seed for all of natural life to exist...such as L2R, and his, his, his(now deleted) idealistic god figure ~
:D

NSFW:

this shamble of a quilts existence, was not a shamble at all, as it is soon to be a better than before perfect quilt again, once only perceived as a roughety old quilt, now sewn and woven back together with loving intent, by the perfect loving hands created by the quilts initial decision to unravel.

NSFW:

 

[L2R]

for those who don't know the reference, this is the image of god according to south park. they made it a hodgepodge of animal bits with an off colour to mess with the viewers expectations as much as possible. the idea that a singular and ultimate God taking the form of a human is egoccentric and silly, let alone prescribing white male features.

 

[-=SS=-]

I'll throw something out that I bet no one here has seen before. It's a topological model of god (he uses the term 'absolute' instead), created by the man who made that kids toy game puzzle with felt/foam pieces that when connected made cubes. Quite an interesting theory actually, and he relates it through stuff in the kabbala. Basically "god" (absolute) is a membrane that forms the foundation layer for the rest of existence which is recombination of that initial layer in many different ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTn5lSTBxro

My own personal opinion on god: I prefer "absolute" also, and like the man in the video I would consider it to be a singularity.. something that just "is". No beginning, no end, no purpose. And like the man in the video said, because we're all parts of this singularity we have an inherent capacity to become/observe from that perspective (enlightenment) and see the entire picture, which is neither positive or negative.. it just "is".

EDIT: This is the toy that the guy made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Cube

 

[trillish10]

^ i like this theory a lot. similar to my beliefs. "God" is no more than a connection between all that is and ever will be, not an entity per say, just an energy that connects all. A buddy of mine and i had a in depth conversation about such last night. he mentioned a scientist who found that once atoms interact with each other, that connection will stay intact and mimic the other even while completely separate. while this may be not the god we perceive but a similar theory in my eyes. the concept is very interesting, i suppose until we have definite answers, if we ever do its just pure speculation. for all we know this could be something our minds cannot grasp, but it is just is there.
On a similar topic, what is everyones thoughts on religion? Me personally do not choose follow a religion due to its almost, non-accepting of other perspectives in nature, as religions make it a point that there is no other possibilities. but thats just me and i totally respect religion its self but not something i would follow. i find speculating more rewarding to the extent that it allows me to base my thoughts off of non-preconceived ideas.

 

[TheAppleCore]

So, the concept of God/Gods is the longest standing concept we have as humans. Since conscious thinking began, this concept of a being with power man cannot understand, whom created all, has existed.

I'm pretty sure that we developed the concepts of food and sex before we developed philosophy and spirituality. But, point taken - the concept of God isn't exactly modern.

How do we know?

I feel that my personal belief in God is purely utilitarian. I don't have any particularly convincing evidence that God exists, but I am forced to believe in Him, because having faith gives me a certain psychotherapeutic effect that I couldn't live without. I gain a certain level of confidence in myself that I couldn't properly navigate the world without. I never even made the conscious decision to believe in God - it just happened automatically, the same way that my heart beats without my effort. It's like God is written into my DNA.

Of course, that fact alone hints the reality of God, to me. But the interesting part is that I don't believe in God because it is rationally justified - I rationally justify God because I believe.

My idea is that, the God that many perceive is not what they expect. They believe this god is a thinking, conscious being with control of all and whom created all. I feel this "being" or lack of a better word is no more than a high output energy source that we do not understand as of today. This energy is prominent and easily able to identify, if looking for it. Its almost like the concept of love. It is real, but that energy cannot be explained. You can feel love, literally. This is how i believe God works. A positive energy similar to love.

I absolutely agree.

 

[Tromps]

the idea that a singular and ultimate God taking the form of a human is egoccentric and silly, let alone prescribing white male features.

Huh?

Jesus was Jewish. Yeshua Yeshu

 

[illustrious junk]

Jesus was a person though.

 

[JJ-180]

^well,maybe. The contemporaneous evidence (ie, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny) isn't very convincing.

 

[Tromps]

Jesus was a person though.

A person yes, in his human nature, he has a body, but in his spiritual - divine nature he is God.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ But I'm not God? I have trouble with the concept that Jesus was somehow above all other humans.

 

[L2R]

Huh?

Jesus was Jewish. Yeshua Yeshu

A person yes, in his human nature, he has a body, but in his spiritual - divine nature he is God.

i see your "huh?" and raise you a "wtf 8)"

 

[Tromps]

i see your "huh?" and raise you a "wtf 8)"

^ But I'm not God? I have trouble with the concept that Jesus was somehow above all other humans.

I admit it is difficult to wrap your head around, that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. I never said it would be easy to understand or to put simple the powers of God.

A being so high level that almost anyone can feel it, but not understand it... This energy is hard to interpret and understand thus humans believe it is a higher entity

for all we know this could be something our minds cannot grasp

L2R, why do you think it's 'silly' that God can take on the form of his creation and partake in his creation?
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, God was the Word, and the Word was made flesh, dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14
Sorry if my "huh?" came off flat, who is 'prescribing white features' to Jesus? What are 'white features' anyways, besides skin color?

TheAppleCore, no you're not God. ? What do you mean by your post? Jesus was humble and didn't put his needs before others. He won his merit by what he did for people, especially the poor, healing the sick, feeding the hungry, curing the ill, the good works he performed and preaching of good tidings. At the heart of it, was his death on the cross bearing our sins, innocently sacrificing himself for the guilty, instead of using his power & disciples to violently conquer. The unconditional, unsurpassed love and peace from God is all deserving of my praise and worship. Thanks be to God.

It's not easy explaining the Trinity. I like the analogy of water and it having 3 different forms, but it is all the same substance. Whether you have vapor (dispersed, you can't see it - God the Father), ice (solid, incarnate, hard as rock - God the Son) and liquid water (can't be physically grasped, flows where it wills - God the Holy Spirit), yet in essence each form is the completely the same. God is revealed in 3 forms, but in substance and in essence is the same One God.

How do we know?

Faith. 'You never know what faith is until you don't understand - sometimes it takes a silence to finally hear his plan.'
Scriptures, Prophets, Tradition, Revelation.
Personally I know because I can feel God's presence, love and grace among other things, to ignore it I can't do, to do so would be like living a secret life or suppressing my psyche.

Amen amen I say BELIEVE Jesus loves you so incredibly, that he died for you, rose from the dead, has ascended into heaven where he reigns at the right hand of the Throne in the glory of God the Father with the unity of the Holy Spirit, One God, forever and ever, who will return again for redemption and final defeat of evil forces, to usher in heavenly paradise and life everlasting.

Kindling is the burning passion of faith, hope, and love for my God.
The LORD is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear?

Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law. For the commandments say, “You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not covet.” These—and other such commandments—are summed up in this one commandment: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.

 

[L2R]

I was raised in a catholic household, i know about the trinity and have no problem withit.

L2R, why do you think it's 'silly' that God can take on the form of his creation and partake in his creation?
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, God was the Word, and the Word was made flesh, dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. John 1:1,14
Sorry if my "huh?" came off flat, who is 'prescribing white features' to Jesus? What are 'white features' anyways, besides skin color?

the entirety of creation is more than just the earth. the image of jesus, whether glamourised to look like bon jovi or properly middle eastern is still irrelevant when "the image of [His] creation" would include species of an almost infinite variety of form. there is nothing special about humanity which warrants exclusive domain in the light.

very silly. egotistical and silly.

 

[pk.]

the image of jesus, whether glamourised to look like bon jovi or properly middle eastern is still irrelevant

lol

 

[panic in paradise]

I was raised in a catholic household, i know about the trinity and have no problem withit.



the entirety of creation is more than just the earth. the image of jesus, whether glamourised to look like bon jovi or properly middle eastern is still irrelevant when "the image of [His] creation" would include species of an almost infinite variety of form. there is nothing special about humanity which warrants exclusive domain in the light.

very silly. egotistical and silly.

... 'tis a silly a place.
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seriously now though
~

religion is a regional thing(notice the similarities). i use the word regional, because, using the Native Americans as an example: the Cherokee and Hopi tribes might not agree on everything spiritual, but share the same continent, so a fitting archetype(bon jovi-esq character) is easier for those cultures to relate with. god is in nature, god is in us, nature is god, we are god, as god created the nature we are a part of(progressing along ones dharma/life-path realization of the existing unity develops).

each culture relates to things differently depending on their environments surroundings; both psychical and psychological situational placement shapes behavior traits and qualities of perception. each culture has their own mythology and philosophy bearing similarities to the mythology and philosophy of other cultures. those similarities, as they have been, should not be used as a loophole to interject the beliefs of one as the source of explanation for the other - IMO.