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Does anyone agree that the value of pot far exceeds all other psychedelics combined?

this is definitely a question which the answer will be different from person to person. now dont get me wrong, i love pot--it even has some kind of medicinal value to me. i got in a bad car accident years ago where i broke a handful of vertabrae pretty bad and have chronic pain. the pot doesnt ease the pain but it takes my mind off of it. i also used to suffer from bad anxiety/panic attacks and pot can definitely calm me down if done in moderation. also pot is great for when you have something like the flu and cant keep anything down, i can go from not willing to drink water to eating a full meal if i take a little puff when im sick.

however, i feel as if i have gained 1000x more from using psychedelics, specifically LSD. since the first time i took acid, or tripped on anything for that matter, my life has been drastically different. i learned so much yet was dropped into a world of infinite questions. nothing could have had the catalytic effect on my life that acid had at age 16. maybe it isnt wise to blow your brain open at such a young age, when your brain is still growing and you are not done maturing, but i cant imagine it any other way for me.

psychedelics really helped me "find myself" at an age where i feel like most kids werent even sure about who they really are. although, this effect of being the odd man out also left an impression on me im sure. psychedelics for me can be a spiritual event, an interpersonal bonding agent, artistic inspiration, and even partytime drug. ill take L any day over pot, not that could trip as often as i could smoke though!
 
I like weed but i don't agree. Mushrooms, LSD, K, DMT, and DXM have all taught me things i never would have thought imaginable. Weed is similar but the scale of intensity is so much smaller, that it is almost negligible.

I've also had weed throw me into states of consciousness that were even more unrealistic than LSD or Shrooms have, and I've had powerful LSD and Shroom trips in which my reality seems hyper-sober, super-normal, or almost too real. So it's kind of the opposite for me. I've had more bad trips with weed than i have with powerful psychedelics.
 
In response to your last post burn out, I feel like you are just making excuses for smoking cannabis. Of course you've reached points of utter "love-bliss", you were fucking high, and weed makes you feel fucking good. The exact opposite of psychedelics.


>The problem with LSD and mushrooms is, I find that they tend to do all the work for you, moving your consciousness to a very high state with little or no effort on your part and then dropping you back down

See, in my opinion this is utter bullshit. Yes, they make you very "high", but they don't reliably and usually just make you feel good. You have to be in the right mindset to make that happen. Weed does just that, makes you feel good, it's hedonistic.

>The reason I had such problems with pot is because it would almost instantly put me into a state of spiritual bliss, a level of bliss that exceeds even the best heroin high. How could I resist something that was so good and enlightening?

Exactly, it does all the work for you.


You are deluding yourself burn out. I'm sorry for being so blunt, I just feel as if you are taking the easy way out, and have managed to convince yourself otherwise.
 
I would almost agree with psy997, however I don't want to denigrate what you claim to be an honest experience: if you believe pot is good for you so be it. However, I think you are still, as psy997 put it, looking for a drug to 'do the work for you'. It seems to me that you're presupposing (maybe this should be left for the Philosophy board) that there is a god/universal energy that can be connected to, and that such a connection is the definition of spiritual growth. And, moreover, that a mindless/ego-free state is what allows such a connection. I disagree with these notions - I think that spiritual growth takes the form of self awareness and understanding, which leads to a clear and happy mind in day to day life, contrary to the idea that losing ones ego for some time will help the mind. In fact, having self-awareness, that is, understanding the causes and conditions which make out mind what is is, seems to me to be very similar to ego loss; the existence of an ego depends on a conception of independent individual selves, existing apart from their causes. In this way, the 'high' state of mind that psychedelics cause, the divergence of thoughts, is much more beneficial for me in spiritual development. If pot makes you thoughtless and relaxed, I see little lasting benefit. For me, cannabis often causes delusional introspection, to the point where I over think simple things and end up more stressed than I was before. Sorry if I rambled
 
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Absolutely not.
Pot makes me lazy and unmotivated and completely content with going nowhere in my life.
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This.

I used to be a daily smoker for years, I actually had trouble quitting and it took a few tries.. I would get super mood swings, the pot literally became a crutch for me, my goto sedation for any bit of emotion off baseline if that makes any sense. I remember one of the first times I tried to stop, getting so frustrated at work because I was having trouble with a program.. I spent nearly all day trying to solve this problem and it literally drove me to tears, I was so frustrated and smoking a joint was my goto outlet for years and I had no idea what to do.. I was shaking and quivering and I couldnt calm down..I wanted to smoke a joint so badly.. eugh. Funnily enough, I managed to quit smoking cigarettes cold turkey down from a pack a day with no problems at all..

I smoke once in a while, but whenever I do, I am lazy and lethargic and I find myself doing the same things I normally do for entertainment.. just slower.. to be honest I really enjoy being coherent. The first time I smoked weed after a > 6 month break I really didnt like it. My favourite music sounded weird, the jumbled thoughts and lack of coherency annoyed me. One of the things I used to love and I missed the most for the longest time was getting real stoned and zoning out with the guitar.. well turns out, I can zone out with the guitar and get into a great mental funk sober and its a lot more enjoyable too, and again, more coherent and cohesive.

Pot has its place but I am among those who feel like daily and multiple-times daily use is no good. I am all for legalization and the likes, but I don't go to any of the parades because I feel like the majority of people there are the go nowhere do nothings who just want to smoke up every day and are so deluded in their weed fog to believe that it is affecting them.

To each their own, but you can say I finally saw the light.
 
Yeah, getting into that zone with your instrument is almost like a high in itself

I don't see how the TS had ego loss from smoking weed.. I smoked a lot of weed in my day, obscene amounts as a teenager.. I've had total and complete ego loss from mushrooms and there is absolutely no way I can see weed ever going there. Ego loss is hard to define, and when it happens you know it happens, so I can't say the TS claims are bs or not, we're all different, but I will say that I am highly skeptical of being able to produce such an effect.

I must admit I am thrilled at all the responses here from people who don't like weed at all and share my feelings.. seems most of us have all come to the same realization. Trippy lol.

Oh and I should add.. the last time I tripped on any sort of hallucinogen I wasnt able to play guitar at all, and learning to play was one of those things I set out to do from a mushroom trip; it really set into my head the whole concept of building a skill by continual effort, that no matter how small each 'input', over time it would build.. and it has, a few hours here or there, a few minutes a night and four years later I'm pretty damn good. I am overly excited to play guitar while tripping my balls off.. I cannot wait.
 
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Cannabis and psychedelics increase my guitar playing ability a good bit. ESPECIALLY phenethylamine psychedelics, tryptamines are more disorienting.

To the OP: Cannabis can have that effect for SOME but it's not very common. Surely you've met burnouts who have smoked weed their entire adult life? They have obviously not transcended to your level.

In fact most stoners I know are just stupid and weed doesn't help a bit.




Before I get insulted, I'm a bigger stoner than anyone I know...
 
I agree, especially with edibles and/or a low tolerance, you can get just as far out there as with shrooms or acid

Also, i have wicked anxiety problems, and psychs are a risk ( even though I do them) and weed just has that amazing mellowing side instead of muscle cramps, stomach aches, and racing heart.

Amazing colorful geometric visuals, and a very peaceful, accepting mindset make it my #1 psych (plus its easy to find and you always know what you're getting without testing, unlike other psychs)
 
Studies have shown that not only Marijuana, but all psychadelic can very possibly induce many mental illnesses (there have been many cases of people developing mental illnesses of the Schizoid spectrum, when the had no problems before using, after they have used psychedelic compounds) and have also been shown to extremely exacerbate existing conditions. That's why I stay away from psychedelics for the most part. I have the occasional weed smoke, but that's it.

Never done mushrooms because of this (even though I was extremely tempted when offered them) and have never used acid because of this.
 
SwampFox56 said:
Studies have shown that not only Marijuana, but all psychadelic can very possibly induce many mental illnesses (there have been many cases of people developing mental illnesses of the Schizoid spectrum, when the had no problems before using, after they have used psychedelic compounds) and have also been shown to extremely exacerbate existing conditions. That's why I stay away from psychedelics for the most part. I have the occasional weed smoke, but that's it.

Never done mushrooms because of this (even though I was extremely tempted when offered them) and have never used acid because of this.
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Allow me to paraphrase Aubrey Graham:
..You only live once
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:D

They very well can, but why do you have reason to fear such a thing? Based on my own experience I believe recommendations of starting 'low' are not only to make sure that you can physiologically handle a drug (no allergies or adverse reactions), but also so that you are mentally prepared for what the drug will do to you psychologically.. less of a shock if you will. I'm certain it is those shocks that lead to the 'snaps' in a person that open the doors to these sorts of problems
 
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They very well can, but why do you have reason to fear such a thing?
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Because I am diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (which is a Schizoid Disease), All depressive disorders, all anxiety disorders AND ADHD. I don't need to be doing something that will fuck me up more than I already am. ಠ_ಠ
 
Hell no, pot is just a sedative that can help you sleep or relax, else it has no value imo.
 
i gave up on pot since in my experience the disadvantages (drowsiness and slower thinking for some time after use) outweigh the benefits of the pot high. same is true for alcohol, only alc. is physically abrasive as well..

Bone14 said:
Hell no, pot is just a sedative that can help you sleep or relax, else it has no value imo.
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i feel the same.
but many people find recreative value in sedatives, so -different strokes...
 
I would just like to say that i have noticed some very informed and even informative opinions on this topic. and i think that it is quite interesting indeed. Now, my viewpoint on the whole thing is simply that which has already been said, that psychedelics seem to give a more long-term framework and allow a person to think of things in a more peaceful way, as though they were still on a trip,whereas marijuana just seems to relax a person and provide a sort of coma state(not literally, but i can definitely feel the haze that people refer to which may stem from the fact cannabis binds with fat cells and stays in the system for an extended period of time). in addition i may mention that my opinion is probably a bit jaded by the fact that marijana can sometimes invoke a sort of paranoid state. More like it pronounces social anxiety or something in me personally.
 
Marijuana is a very special plant too me, but psychs helped me see the world in a way nothing else ever could
 
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