Attempted Murder by Tweekers?

[ohshea]

When I was living in Alaska meth was def becoming one of the most widely used hard drugs in Anchorage and Wasilla/the Valley. And youre right, all tweakers are connected to each other in their own little underworld. Everyone knows someone thru someone else. Chances are when you meet someone for the first time, youve already heard their name bounced around in convos.

Tweakers always seem to be up to very crazy and disturbing shenanigans or missions. I once watched this guy get his head split open and ribs fractured with one of those old retractable metal police batons with the metal ball on the end called an asp. When the asp hit his skull it sounded like a wooden plank cracking in half, it was loud and the guy who striked him was wearing a jersey and it was completely covered in blood. I was waiting in the car and he called me up to the porch where the victim was sitting asking me if this was the guy who had peeled me for 400$ a few hours prior and i said yes thats the guy. I just thought he was going to fight him but he pulled out the asp and striked him over the head before i even had time to blink.

I guess the point of my story is tweekers are nutty, we were all tweakers at the time.

 

[Capricious]

Thanks all for sharing, I apologize to Brutus for overreacting in the other post titled (...Control..ec...) as for the person saying the east coast is above Meth your totally diluted! Atlanta, Chicago & the DC areas are major Meth Distribution hubs that filter into ever North East City! Meth is basically crack on steroids its cheaper & last way longer and certainly is much, much more destructive then crack cocaine! Also up to 90% of the Meth consumed in the U.S is coming through the border states as well as the Central Valley of California & the Pacific Northwest...Don't let all the small time meth lab bust in the Midwest fool you. The Entire Western United States is virtual drowning in Meth imported mainly from Mexico.


California is one dangerous place to be a tweaker or rolling with tweakers there is no honor among meth heads.Many of the most heinous murders are committed by tweakers..Home invasions, robberies ect you name it more often then not a spun out tweaker was behind it... Whats even scarier is the paranoia can drive some of these tweakers to perceive imagined slights or wrongs & will plot in some cynical plan to get even...Rapes torture and other crimes are common amount tweaker circles yet they still associate for the love meth...I knew a group that had a fraud check scheme going for a while until the police busted them...The horror stories are endless... Bodies of fellow tweakers have been unearthed in the back yards of busted meth dealers.... Its a dangerous under world...Here in Southern California there vast areas where Meth has taken hold & the crime is sky rocketing!The San Gabriel mountains above Los Angeles county is a virtual cemetery!! Those who cross dealers or are murdered for other reasons are either dumped or buried in those hills, one LA Sheriff officer estimated that the dead in the San Gabriel Mountains was similar to the population of Venice Beach!! Here in Southern California there are vast areas where Meth has taken hold & the crime is sky rocketing...8(

 

[95Land]

Paragraphs are your friend....
It is no doubt far from a hillbillies drug at this point.
It's a scary drug with scary effects. I'll take junkies any day.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

@nerdondrugs: I think that's bullshit that rich, affluent and educated individuals are too smart to use meth. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. I bet all the intelligent university educated kids up the north east US have their fair share of amphetamines anyway.

Yeah they do, it's called adderall, not a fucking drug that users will tell you to your face is the scum of the earth with a cold dead look. They use it to study. I used it to study. Helps performance in academics with low risk side effects.

That's just a terrible argument considering the north east US is surrounded by universities and a rich populace yet still have plentiful amounts of heroin, crack and coke. So intelligent not to use meth but not to avoid heroin/crack/coke?

Fuck yes it is. Crackheads are generally bad, but almost endearing compared to Devil eye'd meth wrecks killing people and causing domestic violence to skyrocket in rural America. Crack unfortunately is more a urban Black thing, but it's cooled down a lot since the 80s.

maybe there's a lack of demand because there is so much adderall around. i don't find methamphetamine to be superior to other amphetamines or dextroamphetamine, it has a nice duration but it's not really that different. Perhaps in the eyes of these educated people you speak of, pharm stims are far more acceptable, that would be my guess as to why you don't hear of huge methamp issues in your area.

You should have said maybe there's lack of demand because of good quality coke that North Easters can afford. Wall Street runs on coke. Adderall is barely recreational.


edit: ah I see you're from Canada. Makes sense. I like Canada better than America, but the hard drug scene here and violence associated is just different from the more laid-back polite Canadian culture; that still have places where people feel safe leaving their doors unlocked.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

Hooray for being an outlier!

Plus 10 points if you've read Malcolm Gladwell

 

[llama112]

The problem is the PERSON on meth, not the meth. It is possible to use meth responsibly and not go all crazy or whatever. I have never had a bad experience on amphetamines. The worst has been that I've gotten paranoid a couple times but I have social anxiety naturally so I don't even know if that was the amphetamines or if that was just me. It wasn't anything too crazy.

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

The problem is the PERSON on meth, not the meth.

But meth eventually changes the person, making it the problem.

If you're a naturally warm-hearted caring guy... and that guy gets addicted to meth. After some time, they're different people.

Only meth can take someone who wouldn't hurt a flee to being a unpredictable violent psychotic scum bag. However people with mental fortitude can overcome a lot of that and remain mostly the same, but most meth users don't have that.

 

[Professer]

But meth eventually changes the person, making it the problem.

If you're a naturally warm-hearted caring guy... and that guy gets addicted to meth. After some time, they're different people.

Only meth can take someone who wouldn't hurt a flee to being a unpredictable violent psychotic scum bag. However people with mental fortitude can overcome a lot of that and remain mostly the same, but most meth users don't have that.

I saw a great indie movie the other day that depicted just that. Regular nice guy just getting drowned in it all. Was called "Most High" -- it;s on netflix... was really good. The ending was really 'artsy.'

 

[Folley]

The problem is the PERSON on meth, not the meth. It is possible to use meth responsibly and not go all crazy or whatever. I have never had a bad experience on amphetamines. The worst has been that I've gotten paranoid a couple times but I have social anxiety naturally so I don't even know if that was the amphetamines or if that was just me. It wasn't anything too crazy.

Meth isn't like any other amphetamine.. it's really it's own demon. I agree, it really does change people over time.. almost literally it is rewiring their brain to want more meth.

 

[Funkasauras]

Come down south cuz. We can shonuff find a lil clear

 

[RobotRipping]

meth does rewire the brain and creates that reinforcing addict like behavior but i don't think there's any evidence it does this in a way that would be substantially different than adderall/dextroamphetamine/methcathinone/mephedrone or even nicotine would.

Methamp is not the issue, it's the culture that is the problem. The area i live gets flooded with meth pills, and there are no problems, not sure why they come as pills but whatever methamp is great orally. If someone wants to stay up for 5 days and get paranoid to hell and go kill someone, they have bigger problems than methamphetamine in the first place.

if you think methamphetamine is the most destructive drug on Earth go read about its history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

it's the same as saying heroin is the worst drug of all opiates but really it's not much different than morphine/hydromorphone. The US doesn't seem to have any issues with people using Desoxyn either. Perhaps street meth has too much of the levo isomer in it and that makes it different, but really, it shouldn't be much different than comparing adderall to dextroamphetamine.

it's just a silly argument that methamphetamine, an inert substance is responsible for any sort of destruction, rape, crime, whatever. It is ultimately down to the person. I've done week long binges and i didn't kill or rape anyone. As well, methamp has been used for well over 50 years now, and people think it's some new drug that has taken the world by storm.... it's been around for a long time and didn't cause any real issues like rampant rape/cannabalism/murder/crime; the media has brainwashed some of you.

if you're a tweaker and hanging out with a bunch of tweakers who have no money and are white trash, of course you are going to run into a lot of fucked up stuff, it's not because they are tweakers though, it's primarily because they are trashy people. You'll find those same people in other drug cultures, whether it be pcp, speed, psychedelics, opiates or benzos.

if you're tweaking hard in your basement working on developing new technologies as an engineer or something or doing mathematical proofs or some shit (like homework, cleaning, taking apart your TV), you're not harming anyone.

 

[escape20]

meth does rewire the brain and creates that reinforcing addict like behavior but i don't think there's any evidence it does this in a way that would be substantially different than adderall/dextroamphetamine/methcathinone/mephedrone or even nicotine would.

Methamp is not the issue, it's the culture that is the problem. The area i live gets flooded with meth pills, and there are no problems, not sure why they come as pills but whatever methamp is great orally. If someone wants to stay up for 5 days and get paranoid to hell and go kill someone, they have bigger problems than methamphetamine in the first place.

if you think methamphetamine is the most destructive drug on Earth go read about its history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

it's the same as saying heroin is the worst drug of all opiates but really it's not much different than morphine/hydromorphone. The US doesn't seem to have any issues with people using Desoxyn either. Perhaps street meth has too much of the levo isomer in it and that makes it different, but really, it shouldn't be much different than comparing adderall to dextroamphetamine.

it's just a silly argument that methamphetamine, an inert substance is responsible for any sort of destruction, rape, crime, whatever. It is ultimately down to the person. I've done week long binges and i didn't kill or rape anyone. As well, methamp has been used for well over 50 years now, and people think it's some new drug that has taken the world by storm.... it's been around for a long time and didn't cause any real issues like rampant rape/cannabalism/murder/crime; the media has brainwashed some of you.

if you're a tweaker and hanging out with a bunch of tweakers who have no money and are white trash, of course you are going to run into a lot of fucked up stuff, it's not because they are tweakers though, it's primarily because they are trashy people. You'll find those same people in other drug cultures, whether it be pcp, speed, psychedelics, opiates or benzos.

if you're tweaking hard in your basement working on developing new technologies as an engineer or something or doing mathematical proofs or some shit (like homework, cleaning, taking apart your TV), you're not harming anyone.

First of all I just want to say great post dude, I agree with alot of what you said. I think the main problem with Meth is ROA. You said it yourself that you only tried the pills. When you start smoking it or shooting up that's when the serious problems start from what I can tell (never tried meth myself but i've done a ton of amphetamine back in the day). Adderall isn't really all that addicted and doesn't make too many people crazy which is why in the northeast and canada meth culture isn't really rampant because we have a ton of adderall all over the place here. The main problem in the northeast is the opiate scene, there's heroin and oxy everywhere in Baltimore. Also, adderall but i've never seen too much meth around the DMV area (south virginia is a different story I hear). I'm honestly starting to think non-iv opiate use is a better idea then smoking meth.

Anyway, I feel like Meth is a big problem in the US only where people can easily get it and are around that whole Meth junkie culture where the shit is only smoked or injected usually. Same thing with crack compared to cocaine...it's worse on society because when you smoke freebased cocaine you get an intense rush. That intense rush is what hooks people and makes them do bad things for their fix once they're addicted. Same thing with shooting ECP heroin compared to just snorting oxy. The rush and the needle change people real quick.

 

[missmeyet?]

lol, what? The west coast is FULL of meth. Here in the North West, we have the second highest meth use rates in the country. Oregon and Cali are not far off, either.

most meth isn't "cooked" in backyards anyways, it gets made in Super Labs down in Mexico by the kilo and brought up the border in various ways

....and "Nerd", there are plenty of places on the East Coast that meth overwhelms also. It is amusing to me that you stated that people of affluence, that are "more educated" in the NE look down on meth, but not heroin??

The statements you are making are your opinions, not based on facts. And you absolutely have a right to your opinions, but please don't state it as though it is fact.

Can't stand it when someone makes a broad, sweeping generalization...especially an incorrect one.

Also, please realize (obviously), intelligence/IQ and education do not always coincide.

 

[RobotRipping]

First of all I just want to say great post dude, I agree with alot of what you said. I think the main problem with Meth is ROA. You said it yourself that you only tried the pills. When you start smoking it or shooting up that's when the serious problems start from what I can tell (never tried meth myself but i've done a ton of amphetamine back in the day). Adderall isn't really all that addicted and doesn't make too many people crazy which is why in the northeast and canada meth culture isn't really rampant because we have a ton of adderall all over the place here. The main problem in the northeast is the opiate scene, there's heroin and oxy everywhere in Baltimore. Also, adderall but i've never seen too much meth around the DMV area (south virginia is a different story I hear). I'm honestly starting to think non-iv opiate use is a better idea then smoking meth.

Anyway, I feel like Meth is a big problem in the US only where people can easily get it and are around that whole Meth junkie culture where the shit is only smoked or injected usually. Same thing with crack compared to cocaine...it's worse on society because when you smoke freebased cocaine you get an intense rush. That intense rush is what hooks people and makes them do bad things for their fix once they're addicted. Same thing with shooting ECP heroin compared to just snorting oxy. The rush and the needle change people real quick.

i suppose there's some truth in that the ROA makes a difference. Methamp works rather well orally though, there's really no need to shoot it, if you're into chasing that rush you're going to have issues with heroin, crack, coke, or methamphetamine anyway. The fact that it's becoming a 'problem' in the US is probably due to heavily increased production from Mexico as a way to take profits from the losses they take on importing cocaine. If they can switch everyone over to methamphetamine, which they produce themselves, they'll have far more profits than having to smuggle cocaine into and out of Mexico.

I don't think the toll on society will be any different though, if you compare someone who is addicted to smoking/shooting meth and someone who is addicted to smoking crack/shooting coke, there's not a huge difference. Methamphetamine at least lasts a lot longer and is cheaper, so it'd reduce harm if anything IMO. I still think whether people do bad things to get high is up to them, especially with stimulants, it's not like you're going to get insanely sick or die from withdrawals.

 

[Capricious]

I don't get this silly notion that people are throwing around about how its the person not the substance! I never saw a baggie of meth rob, kill or assault anyone! But there sure are countless cases where "Meth Addicts" have gone on bloody rampages, murdered robbed or burglarized someones home or property to get cash for the next hit...Its not long before Casual Meth use turns to a full blown addiction! Are there people who can use Meth without these issues *yes* but they are in the minority by a long shot!

Another thing once a person gets entangled in the Meth scene its not long until a turbulent roller coaster ride to the gates of hell commences!!! Meth addicts tend to alienate there non-meth user friends, family & coworkers and start rolling with fellow Meth addicts! Its a grimy & dangerous underworld, I can speak for my experience in California the Meth Underground is a large interconnected web of Bulk dealers, Distributors, Middle level dealers ect & lets not forget the Meth user aka Addict. They all work to subvert each other for personal gains & yet rely on one another...sort of like a awful co-dependence domestic violence is rife in meth circles!!!!

The Dealers can & do pay fined's to steal, collect debts & even do hits for them for a payment in Meth! If you rub someone the wrong they will plan a sadistic plan to exact retribution including murder!! From Seattle to San Diego east to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Denver, Montana & Texas the same dangerous cycle of crime, abuse of meth & the frequent Meth driven murders spread Eastward towards the Eastern Seaboard!

Meth addiction will have you selling your possessions,stealing from family & friends if you already haven't or, even become a small time dealer your self & the increased dangers that come with it!!You will stoop to levels you would have never seen your self in...The means will justify the means to stay high...You will start to cheat others out their possessions, shop lift, pass bad checks you name it for more dope! It can get really messy really fast!! Thank Almighty God I have been out that scene for 4 months and have been rebuilding my life...I get chills when I reflect back on my life on meth I could have been killed or ended up behind bars for a long time! It really isn't worth it and takes something from you...I've started fresh deleted my old numbers, e-mails & steered clear of my old stumping grounds. I am happy with my regained sobriety!:D

 

[Chipping Away]

Been clean over 10 years from meth.

What you are experiencing is usual meth experiences. Your heightened paranoia combined with sketchy people = a very bad situation.

It can and will equal death. I've been in very similar situations which I (think) barley escaped. Meth will kill you in more than one way.

Stay away from it.

 

[Folley]

....and "Nerd", there are plenty of places on the East Coast that meth overwhelms also. It is amusing to me that you stated that people of affluence, that are "more educated" in the NE look down on meth, but not heroin??

The statements you are making are your opinions, not based on facts. And you absolutely have a right to your opinions, but please don't state it as though it is fact.

Can't stand it when someone makes a broad, sweeping generalization...especially an incorrect one.

Also, please realize (obviously), intelligence/IQ and education do not always coincide.

Um, what lol? I think you are quoting the wrong person, pal. I never said anything about intelligence and drug use.


I agree that oral methamp is quite a bit safer, I had an addiction for almost a year using it orally/snorted with not TOO many problems.. until I got all strung out, that is. The first time I smoked it though I completely lost control and binged for 3 days. Was after that time that I decided never to use the drug again. Been over a year now.

I hear oral is more serotonergic and closer to MDMA, also a majority of it is converted to amphetamine. When you smoke/inject/snort it, that doesn't really happen and it's just that straight dopamine rush to the dome. I'd venture to say that's the main reason why people can get away with oral use much more than the other RoAs, at least.

 

[Capricious]

Chipping Away, Thanks

You're correct meth can kill you in more ways then one...I am fortunate to have recognized that I was on a dangerous road! I became tired of the danger & immoral/degrading life on meth as well as those involved in it! I have been above addictive behavior before I found meth,I am thankful to have stopped this early in my life! I just reflect on all the misery I have been through and I am reassured that I made the right choice to avoid it all together! Its an irony when you're using it can be hard to get the funds or even find meth ect...But once you have left it people start throwing it in your face & offering you some...I have been strong to turn my back completely on that life style & make the best of this short life with-out the added baggage of drug use!

 

[NerdOnDrugs]

....and "Nerd", there are plenty of places on the East Coast that meth overwhelms also. It is amusing to me that you stated that people of affluence, that are "more educated" in the NE look down on meth, but not heroin??

Not as much, no. Ever read about a some guy nodding on H breaking into a farmhouse and massacring all the pigs? But on meth... the sky is the limit.

The statements you are making are your opinions, not based on facts. And you absolutely have a right to your opinions, but please don't state it as though it is fact.

Can't stand it when someone makes a broad, sweeping generalization...especially an incorrect one.

Also, please realize (obviously), intelligence/IQ and education do not always coincide.

Levels of affluence, average number of PhD holders per capita, average income per capita, etc... are higher in the NE region, all fact.

I do realize how snobby and elitist stating these indicators are, but if you're just referring to the census and basic data about demographics in the US, I think it's worth pointing out when we're talking about lack of cheap potent meth demand in one of the most heavily populated areas on the continent.

If you're an uppers guys, and you have money, a job..etc. Is the smart user going to use the more benign drug coke, or meth? Easy.

 

[Chipping Away]

Chipping Away, Thanks

You're correct meth can kill you in more ways then one...I am fortunate to have recognized that I was on a dangerous road! I became tired of the danger & immoral/degrading life on meth as well as those involved in it! I have been above addictive behavior before I found meth,I am thankful to have stopped this early in my life! I just reflect on all the misery I have been through and I am reassured that I made the right choice to avoid it all together! Its an irony when you're using it can be hard to get the funds or even find meth ect...But once you have left it people start throwing it in your face & offering you some...I have been strong to turn my back completely on that life style & make the best of this short life with-out the added baggage of drug use!

The funny part is all of my meth career was in SOCAL. I moved to Florida to get clean . lol

I moved cause it kept showing it's face where ever I was.