CEPS Well Hung Parliament (CEPS Social/Off Topic)

[23536]

Do you "cheat" with using google searches

A little bit. Finding tiny polysyllabic Finnish villages by staring at a map can take forever. Even the crudest paper maps have indexes, so I think it's ok to use Google for that. But looking up the street address to "Ferreteria Quetzalcoatl", a body shop in some small town in Mexico, is probably bad form.

 

[MrGrunge]

The Geo Guesser game is cool, I've spent quite a while playing with it in some of my more boring school classes. One time it dropped me only a few miles from my grandparent's house in Hot Springs, Arkansas...that was pretty weird.

 

[23536]

 

[L2R]

 

[L2R]

 

[superelephant]

Everyone goes to school, and I still live in a country with a bunch of stupid people.

in an actual market wealth is unessential and merely an avenue by which one can establish "a living."

 

[23536]

I'm trying to remember a classical fugue that's driving me crazy. I think it's a fugue. It starts with this note sequence:

bcccfg cdddga deeeab

Please help!

bcccfg cdddga deeeab

And you have to go down to the "fg", not up. Also, down to the "ga" and to the "ab". I don't read music so I don't have any better way of saying this.

 

[L2R]

Everyone goes to school, and I still live in a country with a bunch of stupid people.

Your schools are under-resourced and don't care.

in an actual market wealth is unessential and merely an avenue by which one can establish "a living."

wealth is merely an avenue to establish a living? what the fuck are you smoking?

 

[Bardeaux]

in an actual market wealth is unessential

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Your schools are under-resourced and don't care.

Stop being such a libtard. If children really cared about their education, they'd ensure that they were born to parents who lived in good school districts.

 

[superelephant]

Your schools are under-resourced and don't care.

That may be, but there isn't a lot of adolescent potential here either. Or teachers capable of drawing out what little potential is available.

wealth is merely an avenue to establish a living? what the fuck are you smoking?

oops, was suppose to be, merely one

also

in an actual market You know, one where capital actually flows and mega corporations can't exist because they aren't protected by (while start-up's are drowned in) regulation. one where a company slips up and ends up out of business and replaced rather than issuing a recall or an apology or dealing with a class action law suit. the kind where living off some land somewhere away from other people (somewhere within fucking walking distance) is a viable option because there aren't fucking parking lot's everywhere.

Oh wait, you wouldn't. because we've been living under bullshit for a little over a hundred years.

you can look through my post history if you actually want to know the things I am smoking.

completely. things would be considerably different in an actual market and not everyone would need money.

 

[L2R]

so less regulation would magically stop mega corporations?

please, be sure to puff puff give. no need to be messing up the rotation.

 

[L2R]

Stop being such a libtard. If children really cared about their education, they'd ensure that they were born to parents who lived in good school districts.

sorry, i read the tshirt a bit too late.

 

[MrGrunge]

^ You know, sometimes I think I'd fuck Paris Hilton if she weren't so riddled with filth and diseases - but then I jack off and forget the thought completely.

Either way, I'd like to punch her in the back of the head.

 

[superelephant]

so less regulation would magically stop mega corporations?

please, be sure to puff puff give. no need to be messing up the rotation.

Not magically. it's complex at this point in history (getting rid of regulations wouldn't get rid of the mega corps at this point)and explaining wholly would take longer than I care to post right now, or ever. but, basically, mega corps are a product of lazy consumerism, which is a product of and is simplified by regulations.

If I could make excellent tacos and did and sold them and people liked them and I tried to become legitimate, health inspector (or what have you, I guarantee someone) would shut me down immediately. even if there was nothing wrong in reality Why don't they shut down taco bell? because there is a regulatory bar and that they are on par with. (they have the proper amount of capital, essentially) now, when people ate my tacos, I bet they probably inspected them first, on account of being conspicuously non-regulated . Why don't the majority of people open their taco from taco bell and take a look? it's an establishment that is expected to be up to code. if their foodstuff is tainted and they get sick, they could be entitled to money. money this establishment definitely has. regulations have resulted in tranquilized fear, robbing the consumer base of real choice by substituting an artificial minimum standard. If taco bell's food ever did cause, say, some to get sick, taco bell would not go out of business. the bulk of people would probably eat there again eventually because they would expect them to come under regulatory scrutiny and be back up to par before serving again. If the regulations didn't exist, no one would ever eat there again. (at least that particular location)

and maybe, let me know if you ever make it over here for the Springfield replica.

 

[Bardeaux]

completely. things would be considerably different in an actual market and not everyone would need money.

Then how would anyone in an "actual" market receive... well, anything?

 

[superelephant]

Then how would anyone in an "actual" market receive... well, anything?

damn, I was about to begin exercising, then I get on (refresh page lol) and you have asked possibly the most loaded question. again, I won't explain it all, because I could very well be here all day, but basically

People who decided they didn't want to participate in the market at all would have to have a means of subsistence. constantly moving and hunting is one option. creating a small dwelling and farm patch on some land no one is paying attention to is another. (there would be a lot of un ruined earth had the actual market never been dismantled)

Now, when I originally mentioned wealth, I was doing so with regard to the picture, from a premise. The reality is that in an actual market different things would be worth varying amounts to each individual and the idea of wealth would not be easy to define.

the main thing here you would be allowed to barter, in absolutely any circumstance. quick example, If I brought my brand new not even un boxed jordans to publix, rang up a 25 dollar grocery bill and tried to pay with my shoes, the cashier would look at me funny. they would get the manager and then he would tell me they only take cash or card. (unless L2R was the manager, I'm sure he would take the shoes and just pay the bill himself.)But why? the shoes are worth more than the bill, any decent pair of shoes would be in this situation. It's because the staff at publix has absolutely no relationship with the things they are distributing. They are too worried about getting scammed or otherwise losing a bit of money so they void a deal that would actually reap a bigger profit for the business. In an actual market people would be trading things for other things and services for things just as much as currency.

 

[Bardeaux]

you have asked possibly the most loaded question.

I thought it was an extremely simple and basic question

People who decided they didn't want to participate in the market at all would have to have a means of subsistence. constantly moving and hunting is one option. creating a small dwelling and farm patch on some land no one is paying attention to is another.

Isn't this already an option? Furthermore, isn't this an option regardless of the dominant social and economic order? If one chooses to drop out of society, one chooses to drop out of society.

(there would be a lot of un ruined earth had the actual market never been dismantled)

How so? And what is an "actual" market opposed to a "market"?

Now, when I originally mentioned wealth, I was doing so with regard to the picture, from a premise. The reality is that in an actual market different things would be worth varying amounts to each individual and the idea of wealth would not be easy to define.

Indeed. However, price and value are generally set by the market. This is the magic that marketeers praise, is the market's ability to set prices on goods and services according to supply and demand. Negotiation is always a possibility, but market forces will always play a general role in yenno... the market. I wouldn't pay $5 million for a pair of shoes if another person was selling the same pair for $10. Likewise, if someone is selling a pair of shoes for $50 million, they would be shutdown within a week if the guy across the street is selling them for $10.

the main thing here you would be allowed to barter, in absolutely any circumstance.

And the more you have available to barter with, the wealthier you are. All this is doing is transforming the value of currency into the value of the goods you have to exchange for other goods. The same rules still apply.

quick example, If I brought my brand new not even un boxed jordans to publix, rang up a 25 dollar grocery bill and tried to pay with my shoes, the cashier would look at me funny. they would get the manager and then he would tell me they only take cash or card. (unless L2R was the manager, I'm sure he would take the shoes and just pay the bill himself.)But why? the shoes are worth more than the bill, any decent pair of shoes would be in this situation. It's because the staff at publix has absolutely no relationship with the things they are distributing. They are too worried about getting scammed or otherwise losing a bit of money so they void a deal that would actually reap a bigger profit for the business. In an actual market people would be trading things for other things and services for things just as much as currency.

But what if Publix doesn't sell Jordans? Or what if they would rather accept cash instead of Jordans because their supplier of milk doesn't have any use for shoes? This era of bartering has come and gone. The market is always looking for efficiencies and cash is an extremely efficient alternative to bartering with goods. Everyone accepts cash, whether or not someone wants to accept payment in shoes depends on one's need for shoes.


Either way, in a market you need something to exchange for something else. The more of this "something" that you have, the wealthier you are and the more you can trade for something else. It's no different from having a larger bank account than your competitors. If I had 50 million pairs of Jordans I would be in a much better situation than you if you only have one pair.

 

[superelephant]

I thought it was an extremely simple and basic question

lol.

Isn't this already an option? Furthermore, isn't this an option regardless of the dominant social and economic order? If one chooses to drop out of society, one chooses to drop out of society.

But the actions of society have crippled anyones ability to do this beyond measure. I really could be all night describing how. I don't think this is hard to grasp, though. so I won't.

How so? And what is an "actual" market opposed to a "market"?

Another loaded question. again, basically, you can't have an actual market under a debt based monetary policy, or regulations barring entry into a particular market. The price system is ruined when the money supply is controlled. By allowing a small amount of 'created' capital (debt in the form of loans usually) to flow, the system ends up being able to support more people initially, that number will slowly decrease as the created capital slowly causes inflation and mega corps emerge. (a systematic effect of barred entry into markets and regulations that are suppose to be crafted to protect consumers but just give everyone a false sense of security) as they horde, and prop up all these celebrities, people will still get by as debt can still be created. and that is where we are at. this system is slowly losing the ability to support all of these people because actual capital (profits, essentially) isn't flowing. debt is still flowing but because of inflation it's capacity to support has been reduced.

Indeed. However, price and value are generally set by the market. This is the magic that marketeers praise, is the market's ability to set prices on goods and services according to supply and demand. Negotiation is always a possibility, but market forces will always play a general role in yenno... the market. I wouldn't pay $5 million for a pair of shoes if another person was selling the same pair for $10. Likewise, if someone is selling a pair of shoes for $50 million, they would be shutdown within a week if the guy across the street is selling them for $10.

the problem is this mechanism only functions properly if living a life outside of market actions is something that is viable. prices in currency are wrong if there is no other way for people to sustain themselves but with currency.

consider this- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/top-three-central-banks-account-25-developed-world-gdp

And the more you have available to barter with, the wealthier you are. All this is doing is transforming the value of currency into the value of the goods you have to exchange for other goods. The same rules still apply.

but the consistency of them (the rules) would have been significantly altered.

But what if Publix doesn't sell Jordans?

bullshit, it's a store if they got jordans for the right price and sold them for an amount above that but below the going rate they would sell fine. A simple display in the front of the store is all it would take.

Or what if they would rather accept cash instead of Jordans because their supplier of milk doesn't have any use for shoes?

then sell or trade for stuff he would take. the jordans would get more milk ultimately.

This era of bartering has come and gone. The market is always looking for efficiencies and cash is an extremely efficient alternative to bartering with goods. Everyone accepts cash, whether or not someone wants to accept payment in shoes depends on one's need for shoes.

It was voided, as I've already tried detailing.

Either way, in a market you need something to exchange for something else. The more of this "something" that you have, the wealthier you are and the more you can trade for something else. It's no different from having a larger bank account than your competitors. If I had 50 million pairs of Jordans I would be in a much better situation than you if you only have one pair.

we shouldn't only be trading artificial things for things of actual use.

 

[superelephant]

anyway

A/C capacitor went out where I live, no one has money to fix it. I bought a box fan, a dollar store inflatable pool thing, and some bagged ice. placed pool in closet, ice in pool, and fan in front of the closet door close to pool.

Victory. %)