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Bluelighter
Hello,
The last two times I've consumed cannabis I've gotten panic attacks.
The first time was in January and my heart rate shot up to 180 after consuming some dosage of edibles. Anxiety came first, then the high heart rate and panic attack. I think the dose was moderate, based on past experience with edibles, as I didn't start seeing any CEVs or anything. I panicked and called 911, went to the ER, and according to the staff my heart rate didn't go down until I was given 4 doses of IV ativan.
The second time was a few weeks ago, this time vaping a moderate amount of SFV OG. I went slow and it took a while to feel anything, but shortly after I did, my heart rate shot up to 170. With about 2.5mg of Xanax and breathing exercises I was able to calm myself down.
Up until the first panic attack in January, I had been using weed regularly for over a year. I had bad experiences on edibles, but none that made my heart rate shoot up so high. I recall getting anxiety after vaping once and my heart rate peaked at 110; I'd definitely notice if my heart rate was over 130+, as I can feel it when it gets that fast (when I'm not moving).
Both times I was taking a variety of psychiatric medications, but the only ones common to both experiences are Wellbutrin and Abilify. I've been taking Wellbutrin for a long time so I don't think it caused this problem. I started taking Abilify in January, shortly before the first panic attack, so I'm wondering if it is the cause of my troubles. But I haven't been able to find any reports of Abilify causing increased anxiety or heart rate after consuming cannabis.
The other explanation I can think of is that something changed in me and I'm just not able to tolerate weed anymore. I'm prepared to give it up for good, but I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts first. I'm wondering if I should bother trying again if I stop taking Abilify.
Thoughts?
The last two times I've consumed cannabis I've gotten panic attacks.
The first time was in January and my heart rate shot up to 180 after consuming some dosage of edibles. Anxiety came first, then the high heart rate and panic attack. I think the dose was moderate, based on past experience with edibles, as I didn't start seeing any CEVs or anything. I panicked and called 911, went to the ER, and according to the staff my heart rate didn't go down until I was given 4 doses of IV ativan.
The second time was a few weeks ago, this time vaping a moderate amount of SFV OG. I went slow and it took a while to feel anything, but shortly after I did, my heart rate shot up to 170. With about 2.5mg of Xanax and breathing exercises I was able to calm myself down.
Up until the first panic attack in January, I had been using weed regularly for over a year. I had bad experiences on edibles, but none that made my heart rate shoot up so high. I recall getting anxiety after vaping once and my heart rate peaked at 110; I'd definitely notice if my heart rate was over 130+, as I can feel it when it gets that fast (when I'm not moving).
Both times I was taking a variety of psychiatric medications, but the only ones common to both experiences are Wellbutrin and Abilify. I've been taking Wellbutrin for a long time so I don't think it caused this problem. I started taking Abilify in January, shortly before the first panic attack, so I'm wondering if it is the cause of my troubles. But I haven't been able to find any reports of Abilify causing increased anxiety or heart rate after consuming cannabis.
The other explanation I can think of is that something changed in me and I'm just not able to tolerate weed anymore. I'm prepared to give it up for good, but I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts first. I'm wondering if I should bother trying again if I stop taking Abilify.
Thoughts?
Panic attacks while smoking weed!
Ok I'll give some background information:
I used to smoked a lot of weed anywhere from a quarter to an ounce a day depending and basically any chance I could before school, ten minute break, lunch, after school, at work, after work until bed. I've dabbled in harder drugs, ecstacy, MDMA, cocaine, mushrooms, acid, and ketamine. No bad trips in either drugs. I was doing xtc in gr 10 and 11 and in grade 12 i was doing coke and it would always leave me feeling a bit anxious and I didn't really like do that drug but I only did it to replace ecstacy as it was hard to find and most of my friends quit and moved onto coke, and I wasn't ready to stop doing drugs altogether. Then a couple months later I quit everything except weed. In April 2011 I was in a bad car accident (hit as a pedestrian by a truck) it left me with PTSD and major panic attacks.
After that I couldn't smoke pot without having panic attacks, and I would keep trying to smoke thinking it will go away but weed triggers them and so does energy drinks and coffee. I can live my whole life without the energy drinks or coffee but I'd love to be able to smoke pot again.I've tried everything in the past 3 years to be able to toke again and nothing seemed to work.
Yesterday I got prescribed Ativan, so last night I took a pill, went out for dinner (at the end of dinner I started feeling high) then I went to the house and smoked 2 hits of this weed (that I had that I knew gave me panic attacks cause I smoked it 2 times before that week and both times I had panic attacks and it was the same bag) I didn't get any signs of panic just pleasant feeling but I was really high from the Ativan and then I just passed out, is that normal to fall asleep after taking Ativan and getting high off one 1mg pill?
I'm wondering if anyone else experienced this and how they over it or if they could get over it, also if they do other drugs with a panic disorder without any problems, and if there's away without taking benzos or lorazepam?
Ok I'll give some background information:
I used to smoked a lot of weed anywhere from a quarter to an ounce a day depending and basically any chance I could before school, ten minute break, lunch, after school, at work, after work until bed. I've dabbled in harder drugs, ecstacy, MDMA, cocaine, mushrooms, acid, and ketamine. No bad trips in either drugs. I was doing xtc in gr 10 and 11 and in grade 12 i was doing coke and it would always leave me feeling a bit anxious and I didn't really like do that drug but I only did it to replace ecstacy as it was hard to find and most of my friends quit and moved onto coke, and I wasn't ready to stop doing drugs altogether. Then a couple months later I quit everything except weed. In April 2011 I was in a bad car accident (hit as a pedestrian by a truck) it left me with PTSD and major panic attacks.
After that I couldn't smoke pot without having panic attacks, and I would keep trying to smoke thinking it will go away but weed triggers them and so does energy drinks and coffee. I can live my whole life without the energy drinks or coffee but I'd love to be able to smoke pot again.I've tried everything in the past 3 years to be able to toke again and nothing seemed to work.
Yesterday I got prescribed Ativan, so last night I took a pill, went out for dinner (at the end of dinner I started feeling high) then I went to the house and smoked 2 hits of this weed (that I had that I knew gave me panic attacks cause I smoked it 2 times before that week and both times I had panic attacks and it was the same bag) I didn't get any signs of panic just pleasant feeling but I was really high from the Ativan and then I just passed out, is that normal to fall asleep after taking Ativan and getting high off one 1mg pill?
I'm wondering if anyone else experienced this and how they over it or if they could get over it, also if they do other drugs with a panic disorder without any problems, and if there's away without taking benzos or lorazepam?
exists
Bluelighter
Yeah... take smaller puffs and let minutes pass before hitting again. Works like a charm! I used to always get panic attacks from weed, but rarely do anymore thanks to that one simple technique.
Hazyasusual
Bluelighter
When i was smoking heavily it helped the anxiety i was having due to a bad acid trip.
I quite smoking for a few months, and then when i smoked again i had an awful anxiety attack. Now that has all subsided and my tolerance is the lowest its ever been
I quite smoking for a few months, and then when i smoked again i had an awful anxiety attack. Now that has all subsided and my tolerance is the lowest its ever been
This is in regards to weed, and not crystal, despite my name (It is merely an inside joke).*
So I've been smoking for about a year and a half now, and for about 10 months on an almost daily basis (5-6 times per week). The majority of my smoking is done by myself, but I still love the social aspect of just chilling and toking with the homies, which happens at least once every 2 weeks.
The first time I ever experienced an increased heart rate after smoking was after trying an ecstacy pill that turned out to have a small amount of k in it, my heart rate would become rapid when I was just chilling. This made me quite scared but after searching around online, I managed to convince myself that it was all psychological and after a few seshs of me trying to get it out of my head and not worry about it, just that happened. The problem stopped and for about two or three months but has recently started again, worse than ever. I measured my rate at 84bpm then no less that 3 minutes after smoking at 112bpm, all while sitting at my computer listening to music. I have posted about this before as a separate thread but since then my problem has unfortunately escalated...
So here's what happened recently, I ended up having an anxiety attack with heart rate increased to 160-180. Called the ambulance on myself (irrational and freaking the fuck out due to being pretty high) and blamed it on stress due to exams. Was taken to the ER and remained there for about 5 hours with a racing heart until they gave me some Valium and it chilled out to about 90-100 and I was sent home. They conducted tests and found my heart and everything else to be normal and without problems, with the attack being due to anxiety. Feeling pretty depressed at the moment because I have had to quit, at least for the time being. I really miss bud as a stress reliever and as well as that I REALLY miss the social aspect of it. I could deal with toking only on weekends but now with that gone, I'm pretty annoyed about it. Anyone know if this is possible to get through? If my general anxiety was to subside and the stresses of exams/uni/life in general were over, do you think that smoking would no longer trigger these attacks? I know I am over thinking it but I don't see how I can prevent thinking about it so much, especially after this bullshit episode. What about vaping? Anyone had experience with making the transition to vaping after suffering similar? Going to stop for at least a month before trying toking again. What about getting some benzos to take when or if this happens again? Obviously I don't want to get addicted to Valium but would eating one or two of these every time I smoke sound like a good solution?
Anyone that can offer advice about "recovering" from these most likely psychologically induced bouts of panic I'd really appreciate it. Anyone been through this and gotten past it and now enjoys bud again? Hopefully someone can offer me some words of wisdom or encouragement.
Nevertheless thanks for reading my post, please respond.
So I've been smoking for about a year and a half now, and for about 10 months on an almost daily basis (5-6 times per week). The majority of my smoking is done by myself, but I still love the social aspect of just chilling and toking with the homies, which happens at least once every 2 weeks.
The first time I ever experienced an increased heart rate after smoking was after trying an ecstacy pill that turned out to have a small amount of k in it, my heart rate would become rapid when I was just chilling. This made me quite scared but after searching around online, I managed to convince myself that it was all psychological and after a few seshs of me trying to get it out of my head and not worry about it, just that happened. The problem stopped and for about two or three months but has recently started again, worse than ever. I measured my rate at 84bpm then no less that 3 minutes after smoking at 112bpm, all while sitting at my computer listening to music. I have posted about this before as a separate thread but since then my problem has unfortunately escalated...
So here's what happened recently, I ended up having an anxiety attack with heart rate increased to 160-180. Called the ambulance on myself (irrational and freaking the fuck out due to being pretty high) and blamed it on stress due to exams. Was taken to the ER and remained there for about 5 hours with a racing heart until they gave me some Valium and it chilled out to about 90-100 and I was sent home. They conducted tests and found my heart and everything else to be normal and without problems, with the attack being due to anxiety. Feeling pretty depressed at the moment because I have had to quit, at least for the time being. I really miss bud as a stress reliever and as well as that I REALLY miss the social aspect of it. I could deal with toking only on weekends but now with that gone, I'm pretty annoyed about it. Anyone know if this is possible to get through? If my general anxiety was to subside and the stresses of exams/uni/life in general were over, do you think that smoking would no longer trigger these attacks? I know I am over thinking it but I don't see how I can prevent thinking about it so much, especially after this bullshit episode. What about vaping? Anyone had experience with making the transition to vaping after suffering similar? Going to stop for at least a month before trying toking again. What about getting some benzos to take when or if this happens again? Obviously I don't want to get addicted to Valium but would eating one or two of these every time I smoke sound like a good solution?
Anyone that can offer advice about "recovering" from these most likely psychologically induced bouts of panic I'd really appreciate it. Anyone been through this and gotten past it and now enjoys bud again? Hopefully someone can offer me some words of wisdom or encouragement.
Nevertheless thanks for reading my post, please respond.
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yo0123yo
Bluelighter
Smoking marijuana causes me bad paranoia/anxiety?
I don't know why, but whenever I smoke marijuana, I get pretty bad anxiety and paranoia, whether by myself or with anyone else, to the point that sometimes I need a benzo to calm my anxiety down. What is going on? I asked a couple of people and they simply responded "Well then, stop smoking buds!"
I don't know why, but whenever I smoke marijuana, I get pretty bad anxiety and paranoia, whether by myself or with anyone else, to the point that sometimes I need a benzo to calm my anxiety down. What is going on? I asked a couple of people and they simply responded "Well then, stop smoking buds!"
Moved / Merged with the Cannabis Anxiety megathread
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
Does anyone who has dealt with this knows a way out ? Some strange things happened
Hi everybody I have a problem and i would like some hindsight. Ive been smoking for 5 and a half years now, 4 of them was in big amounts. Like from an eigth to a half O of dank a day. I had an immense tolerance and never even thought of cannabis related anxiety. Well this all changer after my abuse of benzos,stimulants and opiates. Now im almost 4 months free of smoking green and it sucks. Big time. I need to drink to feel good when im at home, take benzos when i get out of my appartement (rarely). I am going to get addicted to benzos again i fear. Problem is i love my weed, i know lots about weed, and it used to help me in diferent aspects. Mainly insomnia and reduce agressivity and social anxiety.
Now to the point. 3 months ago after after more than half of year of mixing xanax and alchol almost daily, a bit of heroin, abit of coke, a bit of amphet, i did some e and smoked weed on it and the E was something realllllly fucked up. I had the symptoms of SS. I am not positive if thats what i really had after the following happened (But im sure the E was cut with something very very nassty because i did my faire share of md). The days after the horrible trip i was loaded on xanax and iddnt experience alot of anxiety. HOwever 4 days later i flew out to my home country and the first joint i smoke, suprise!! panic attacks are here. Everytime i smoked i would get this dead/doom/anxious feeling but it would go away in about 5 minutes and i would be laid back and stoned.
After a week of this i mad a very stupid mistake. I rolled up a 2.5 g joint of purple and smoked it alone in the shortest amount of time possible, 2 hours before going to the airport. Well i felt like shit and was vomiting, and my heart was about 150 bpm. I have had multiple difficult experiences with drugs, so i just relaxed and calmed myself down gradually. Eventually i left for the airport and felt okay. Now everythings good, i get on the plane get my meal and a glass of wine, i eat a piece of food and take a sip of wine, and the doom fucking half assed feeling come back but like 10x worst. It was unebearable. I had hot/cold bullshit, very intense derealisation, and the strange part, all the muscles starting from the abdominals down to my toes were locking up. I had unconterollable spasms it was really messed up . I asked the flight attentand for a benzo and :: blablabla we can only give you dimenhydrate. Mind you im not a minor. I took 50 mgs, and watched an anime movie and tried to not think and relax, and eventually passed out. I somehow forced myself to sleep trough the second part of the flight. Well when i landed i went straight home to my friend. I was feeling good actually.
So here we are i smoke a joint, the weed in that country was very mild compared to the one in my home country
, and i feel high but its cool and mellow. Smoke another one same thing. An hour later another and still feeling great. Now on the fourth one i took 2 tokes and had to excuse myself. Doomass feeling is coming back. I tried everything to calm down. Tried to jerk off, wasnt able and kept having disturbing images which killed the possibilty of getting a boner. Took a shower, didnt feel better. Went to get some pretzels, and i was seriously feeling i was gonna explode in the shop. I couldnt eat anything and it had been more than 24 hours since i had eaten...i would vomit everything right out. SO i went to the hospital, they gave me fucking Hydrozyxine and valerian. 
I ate a shitload of valerian, went home and kept having the spasms and crying. Like not literally crying, just random tears. For the next 3 days i couldnt eat properly nor sleep. I was very strange. ANd half the time i would get the panic attacks and doom feeling . I had to go to the hospital again, they shot me up with diazepam and it helped alot. The doc then gave me a prescription for paxil but not for benzos. THe next month was hell. I would get even more panic attacks, i couldnt eat or smoek a cig whitout feeling 1000000level anxiety. I dont why i took that shit and i hate ssris to this day.
FOr the next month i took onlanzapine, it helped, but now im back with some over weight. And now the last almost two months im off the meds, i drink heavilyt 3-4 times a week, take a kpin once or twice a week when i get out. But my liff is dull and boring, im antisociable and very depressed. I think about weed constantly, it always had a special place in my heart. Now ive tried getting high around 4 times. 3 of them sent me into a ful blown panic attack after one puff. Only one had some succes and it involved 2ls of beer and half a liter of whiskey, and i took one puff every hour. Now i dont think that my weed was adulterated, definitly not pcp because i have smoked it a few times and i know the taste/smell/effects. MAybe spice? Anyways what i would love to have some hindsight is what couldve cause this reaction ( muscles locking up, stomach disorder) ? If i would say smoke some hash ( hash always had a little effect on me ) or some low quality outdoor indica could i manage it ? Anybody who has experienced the same thing and is still smoking? i am truly sorry i mad this this long, but i thought details would be important regarding the trange fucking reaction i had. Thank you.
Hi everybody I have a problem and i would like some hindsight. Ive been smoking for 5 and a half years now, 4 of them was in big amounts. Like from an eigth to a half O of dank a day. I had an immense tolerance and never even thought of cannabis related anxiety. Well this all changer after my abuse of benzos,stimulants and opiates. Now im almost 4 months free of smoking green and it sucks. Big time. I need to drink to feel good when im at home, take benzos when i get out of my appartement (rarely). I am going to get addicted to benzos again i fear. Problem is i love my weed, i know lots about weed, and it used to help me in diferent aspects. Mainly insomnia and reduce agressivity and social anxiety.
Now to the point. 3 months ago after after more than half of year of mixing xanax and alchol almost daily, a bit of heroin, abit of coke, a bit of amphet, i did some e and smoked weed on it and the E was something realllllly fucked up. I had the symptoms of SS. I am not positive if thats what i really had after the following happened (But im sure the E was cut with something very very nassty because i did my faire share of md). The days after the horrible trip i was loaded on xanax and iddnt experience alot of anxiety. HOwever 4 days later i flew out to my home country and the first joint i smoke, suprise!! panic attacks are here. Everytime i smoked i would get this dead/doom/anxious feeling but it would go away in about 5 minutes and i would be laid back and stoned.
After a week of this i mad a very stupid mistake. I rolled up a 2.5 g joint of purple and smoked it alone in the shortest amount of time possible, 2 hours before going to the airport. Well i felt like shit and was vomiting, and my heart was about 150 bpm. I have had multiple difficult experiences with drugs, so i just relaxed and calmed myself down gradually. Eventually i left for the airport and felt okay. Now everythings good, i get on the plane get my meal and a glass of wine, i eat a piece of food and take a sip of wine, and the doom fucking half assed feeling come back but like 10x worst. It was unebearable. I had hot/cold bullshit, very intense derealisation, and the strange part, all the muscles starting from the abdominals down to my toes were locking up. I had unconterollable spasms it was really messed up . I asked the flight attentand for a benzo and :: blablabla we can only give you dimenhydrate. Mind you im not a minor. I took 50 mgs, and watched an anime movie and tried to not think and relax, and eventually passed out. I somehow forced myself to sleep trough the second part of the flight. Well when i landed i went straight home to my friend. I was feeling good actually.
So here we are i smoke a joint, the weed in that country was very mild compared to the one in my home country
, and i feel high but its cool and mellow. Smoke another one same thing. An hour later another and still feeling great. Now on the fourth one i took 2 tokes and had to excuse myself. Doomass feeling is coming back. I tried everything to calm down. Tried to jerk off, wasnt able and kept having disturbing images which killed the possibilty of getting a boner. Took a shower, didnt feel better. Went to get some pretzels, and i was seriously feeling i was gonna explode in the shop. I couldnt eat anything and it had been more than 24 hours since i had eaten...i would vomit everything right out. SO i went to the hospital, they gave me fucking Hydrozyxine and valerian. I ate a shitload of valerian, went home and kept having the spasms and crying. Like not literally crying, just random tears. For the next 3 days i couldnt eat properly nor sleep. I was very strange. ANd half the time i would get the panic attacks and doom feeling . I had to go to the hospital again, they shot me up with diazepam and it helped alot. The doc then gave me a prescription for paxil but not for benzos. THe next month was hell. I would get even more panic attacks, i couldnt eat or smoek a cig whitout feeling 1000000level anxiety. I dont why i took that shit and i hate ssris to this day.FOr the next month i took onlanzapine, it helped, but now im back with some over weight. And now the last almost two months im off the meds, i drink heavilyt 3-4 times a week, take a kpin once or twice a week when i get out. But my liff is dull and boring, im antisociable and very depressed. I think about weed constantly, it always had a special place in my heart. Now ive tried getting high around 4 times. 3 of them sent me into a ful blown panic attack after one puff. Only one had some succes and it involved 2ls of beer and half a liter of whiskey, and i took one puff every hour. Now i dont think that my weed was adulterated, definitly not pcp because i have smoked it a few times and i know the taste/smell/effects. MAybe spice? Anyways what i would love to have some hindsight is what couldve cause this reaction ( muscles locking up, stomach disorder) ? If i would say smoke some hash ( hash always had a little effect on me ) or some low quality outdoor indica could i manage it ? Anybody who has experienced the same thing and is still smoking? i am truly sorry i mad this this long, but i thought details would be important regarding the trange fucking reaction i had. Thank you.
I just kind of skimmed over everything, it didn't hold my interest enough to comb through.
I have two major thoughts in response:
1. Anybody using the kinds of drugs in the amounts and combinations as described would be remiss not to expect any kind of side effects, and
2. In light of all the substances mentioned, I would suggest that this issue is not inherently related to solely cannabis use.
Also, daily Xanax, eh? Sounds like my territory... and then you experience "feeling 1000000level anxiety?" Rebound anxiety, mon ami. Think of a rubber band's snap-back effect after being stretched out. It's amazingly common amongst anxiety patients treated with benzodiazepines and I don't know any ways around it other than living through it until your body returns to baseline (which, in this case, could be anywhere from weeks to months), tapering dosage gradually (seriously... GRADUAL TAPERING. A lot of addicts find themselves unable to adhere to this practice when left to their own devices, however) and professional evaluation, which also comes with an entire slew of pros and cons to it.
I'm feeling like the essence of this thread is that drugs are bad when handled irresponsibly.... Please don't get offended at that because it's most definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Just because it might be hypocritical of me to say, however, the sentiment behind the statement will hold true regardless.
Best of luck!
I have two major thoughts in response:
1. Anybody using the kinds of drugs in the amounts and combinations as described would be remiss not to expect any kind of side effects, and
2. In light of all the substances mentioned, I would suggest that this issue is not inherently related to solely cannabis use.
Also, daily Xanax, eh? Sounds like my territory... and then you experience "feeling 1000000level anxiety?" Rebound anxiety, mon ami. Think of a rubber band's snap-back effect after being stretched out. It's amazingly common amongst anxiety patients treated with benzodiazepines and I don't know any ways around it other than living through it until your body returns to baseline (which, in this case, could be anywhere from weeks to months), tapering dosage gradually (seriously... GRADUAL TAPERING. A lot of addicts find themselves unable to adhere to this practice when left to their own devices, however) and professional evaluation, which also comes with an entire slew of pros and cons to it.
I'm feeling like the essence of this thread is that drugs are bad when handled irresponsibly.... Please don't get offended at that because it's most definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Just because it might be hypocritical of me to say, however, the sentiment behind the statement will hold true regardless.
Best of luck!
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
I appreciate the reply man, dotn worry im not getting offened haha. I know the issue is not related entirely to the cannabis, im sure of it. I know about rebound anxiety, maybe it IS a factor but there is something else. Like it doesnt make sens for the rebound anxiety to manifest itself at that level after having only mild side effects for a week. And the muscles locking up shit and stomach problems are something strange too. I could definitly feel a benzo withdrawal but there was something else, i literaly felt crazy for a time. I didnt mention it because i didnt think it had any value but i saw shadow people until i made it to the onlanzapine. Before and durign the SSRI. And the feeling im trying to describe is very difficult to put into words. It was something evil taking over my body and trying to kill me . I know i sound crazy but i cant find another way to describe it . Plus very strong anxiety. Im clean off benzos for 3 months now, like i said i take 2 mg clonaz once or twice a week. ANd you should read it all, i think there are some important details that you may have missed. There is another thing too, when i smoke weed not only im in a full blown panic attack, but i am brought back to the feelings of impending doom, despair and panic i felt during the last tiem i took E. Not being able to walk nor feel your legs, pissing every 2 minutes and sweating so much there is a pool of a sweat while you took one pill is not normal. I abused Mdma enough to know what is normal and not. Thanks for wishing me luck, do you think i will be able to smoke on day again?
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
sorry but bump? common it aibnt that loong
How are you when sober? Is it just increased anxiety, or are you also having visual hallucinations in that mindset?
Sorry I never replied again, I actually forgot I had posted in this thread.
Have you considered getting a professional evaluation? I'm free to speculate but, in all seriousness, some of the things you're describing are alarming. Not necessarily in the way they're currently presenting themselves but I feel like there's a possibility for a snowball effect here.
If you're not willing to see a doctor, my best advice would be to stay away from marijuana and to start exercising like your mental well-being depended on it. It's a shot in the dark but I know that when my mind and body are both tired, they're also less likely to play games on me. Granted, my biggest issue is anxiety. I've never experienced these other... symptoms... that you're describing, at least not without the aid of mind-altering substances.
As to your future with regards to cannabis: you may be able to smoke again and enjoy the normal, casual, positive effects but I would recommend not to risk it until you know what's going with your mind, your body. Until you've got a firm grip on the present it may be unwise to focus so intensely on the future.
Sorry I never replied again, I actually forgot I had posted in this thread.
Have you considered getting a professional evaluation? I'm free to speculate but, in all seriousness, some of the things you're describing are alarming. Not necessarily in the way they're currently presenting themselves but I feel like there's a possibility for a snowball effect here.
If you're not willing to see a doctor, my best advice would be to stay away from marijuana and to start exercising like your mental well-being depended on it. It's a shot in the dark but I know that when my mind and body are both tired, they're also less likely to play games on me. Granted, my biggest issue is anxiety. I've never experienced these other... symptoms... that you're describing, at least not without the aid of mind-altering substances.
As to your future with regards to cannabis: you may be able to smoke again and enjoy the normal, casual, positive effects but I would recommend not to risk it until you know what's going with your mind, your body. Until you've got a firm grip on the present it may be unwise to focus so intensely on the future.
King-Anubis
Bluelighter
Schizophrenia and Cannabis
Hey Guys,
I don't come around here often, but I've recently got hold of some cannabis. I've tried a lot of drugs in the last few years, mainly opiates, benzos and deliriants, but I've always avoided stimulants (besides MDMA), psychedelics, dissociatives and cannabinoids. From what I can gather from the wealth of information that's available online it seems that cannabis is contraindicated with schizophrenia (especially paranoid schizophrenia, which I have) but I'm unable to figure out if that from short or long term use, and wether it's propaganda or truth.
Put simply, I would like to try it once - just to see what it would be like - but would I risk screwing my mind up permanently? Bearing in mind that I currently take antipsychotics that block even the effects of most deliriants. Just need it plain and simple. If not, is there anything that isn't common knowledge (i.e. in propaganda) that I should be aware of before I try?
Thanks a lot!
Hey Guys,
I don't come around here often, but I've recently got hold of some cannabis. I've tried a lot of drugs in the last few years, mainly opiates, benzos and deliriants, but I've always avoided stimulants (besides MDMA), psychedelics, dissociatives and cannabinoids. From what I can gather from the wealth of information that's available online it seems that cannabis is contraindicated with schizophrenia (especially paranoid schizophrenia, which I have) but I'm unable to figure out if that from short or long term use, and wether it's propaganda or truth.
Put simply, I would like to try it once - just to see what it would be like - but would I risk screwing my mind up permanently? Bearing in mind that I currently take antipsychotics that block even the effects of most deliriants. Just need it plain and simple. If not, is there anything that isn't common knowledge (i.e. in propaganda) that I should be aware of before I try?
Thanks a lot!
infectedmushroom
Bluelighter
Mostly people get paranoia from extended cannabis use however it is definitely possible to get it from one of use. I would expect getting paranoia might trigger an episode or unpleasant effects. For the sake of harm reduction, I would suggestion giving cannabis a miss.
However, if you are going to try it take it very slow and easy. One hit at a time. Especially if it's skunk or potent shit (I would avoid that stuff all together.) Also if possible, find out whether you have an indica or sativa bud. Sativa buds are head highs, and are higher in THC, increasing the chance of psychotic symptoms. Indicas however are higher in CBD which is an anti-psychotic and couch-locking.
As far as one joint sending someone mad, I doubt it. But the jury is more or less out about mid-long term consequences of pot, and the jury is even more confused about people who are already "mad" or mentally ill using pot.
Take it easy
However, if you are going to try it take it very slow and easy. One hit at a time. Especially if it's skunk or potent shit (I would avoid that stuff all together.) Also if possible, find out whether you have an indica or sativa bud. Sativa buds are head highs, and are higher in THC, increasing the chance of psychotic symptoms. Indicas however are higher in CBD which is an anti-psychotic and couch-locking.
As far as one joint sending someone mad, I doubt it. But the jury is more or less out about mid-long term consequences of pot, and the jury is even more confused about people who are already "mad" or mentally ill using pot.
Take it easy
PurpleKush1
Bluelighter
Thank youi for replying man. I have done an evaluation, all they came up with is ADD, personality disorder of some sort, OCD, and schizoid tendencies. Im nto schizophrenic but could trigger it they say. It withh cannabis by itself even after smoking ridiculous amounts i never experienced anxiety, or psychosis. Before i started messing qith other drugs. There is the increased anxiety, alot, and lately audio hallucinations, increased sleep paralysis, bad paranoia, like every night, intense anger, i broke half the shit in my appartment over nothing, and i cant control it,at all. Same with the panic attacks, all the symptoms i described. SOmething triggers them and im gone, etiehr paranoid because i hear something that isnt there, or angry because my comp is slow and in this state of mind is reasonable to break hunderd dollars of furniture, you get the idea. THe worse one is the anxiety, i feel like jumping out my window when it hits me. GHB, alcohol and benzos calm me down though, only the rebound effects make those symptomes x4, so its pointless.
I considered exercise, but im too anxious to go for a run or a to the gym, to give you an idea i cant go out sober. Etiehr i have to consume some alcohol or some clonazepam. I tried doing the usual push ups or sit ups but abandoned the idea... i might consider ti again though. THe problem is the valuation was done in another country, and i have no medical card atm, so i cant go to the doctor to get something prescribed whitout ruining myself
. Weed usually worked for my anxiety, thats why i asked. I might try this weekend by taking 1-2 mgs of klonopin and then smoking some low potency outdoor, but im scared it will my situation worse....dont know what to say
xx001
Ex-Bluelighter
I will admit, I didn't thoroughly read you whole post, but it sounds like you may just been getting too high, too fast. High cbd strains of weed tend to be better for anxiety while low cbd/high thc strains can induce panic attacks.
xx001
Ex-Bluelighter
I would recommend avoiding weed if you have schizophrenia. It is known to bring out latent schizophrenia in people who are predisposed to it and can exacerbate existing problems, especially paranoia and anxiety. While cbd itself may well be good for your condition(we need more good science), weed might not be the best choice.
RobotRipping
Bluelighter
Same thing happened to me. Also have ADD, have had periods of psychosis, mania, severe anxiety/panic disorder. Cannabis used to remedy all these issues but then i became addicted to benzos, then opiates, then benzos again and repeated that cycle a bunch of times. So after all that bullshit, like almost 4 years of addiction, i just cannot smoke cannabis without etizolam or benzos and even then if i take more than one hit, i get uncomfortably high, i just don't like it at all. I can use psychedelics fine and take dexedrine everyday and i'm actually much happier with the dexedrine/etizolam combo and doing much better in life/school with it than i ever was when smoking cannabis daily, abusing benzos or addicted to opiates.
My father has similar issues as I do but smokes cannabis daily and has for well over 30 years. He never did the whole benzo/opiate/stim abuse thing, but did a fair number of psychs. He's diagnosed with bipolar, the one with mania and depression though, i have more issues with anxiety/dp/dr.
I've read of many others who've had this same issue after benzo/opiate addiction. I think my benzo abuse played a big role in ruining cannabis for me. I can still take a small hit every few hours and i won't get panicked or get anxiety, definitely prefer an indica, hate sativas, but for some reason i can smoke hash oil like there's no tomorrow, but still only while using etizolam or benzos.
I wish i could go back to being a big stoner because things were more simple back then, didn't have to worry about seizures and dying or going through withdrawals or seeing a psychiatrist, but honestly, i spend less money now on drugs, do much better in school/life and am in general much happier, though my moods fluctuate when dexedrine wears off and i have a fear of one day having to come off stimulants and etizolam, as all my mental issues come back in full force and do not go away, even after 1.5 years. Opiate dependency sucked though, hated life then, much better off now. Without etizolam, i am agoraphobic, depressed, apathetic, can't socialize, have DP/DR and insane anxiety with daily panic attacks. Without the dexedrine i can't focus worth shit, have no motivation, get irritable when there are too many things going on around me and other symptoms of ADD.
my theory is that these mental issues manifested in my late teens/early 20s while i was a stoner and escalated around 23-24, at which point i sought out alternative treatment with benzos and then self medicated from there on out. Even after quitting benzos for over a year, i still couldn't smoke cannabis at all, so either i caused myself a worse anxiety disorder than i already had or it just really hit its peak the same time i was recovering from benzos, i don't know. I've had ADD since i could remember though, but it was untreated. When i started taking dexedrine my life changed dramatically, marks shot up by like 20% in school despite the fact it's getting more and more difficult. I am at the top of my class, can focus for hours on end and my old photographic memory is getting more and more clear, instead of more and more blurry like when i was just smoking cannabis all day for years.
i can't recommend it, but it works for me so long as i don't run out of etizolam and don't lose my dex script. Try smoking 1 or 2 hits of really shitty weed, that's about all i can handle anymore.
My father has similar issues as I do but smokes cannabis daily and has for well over 30 years. He never did the whole benzo/opiate/stim abuse thing, but did a fair number of psychs. He's diagnosed with bipolar, the one with mania and depression though, i have more issues with anxiety/dp/dr.
I've read of many others who've had this same issue after benzo/opiate addiction. I think my benzo abuse played a big role in ruining cannabis for me. I can still take a small hit every few hours and i won't get panicked or get anxiety, definitely prefer an indica, hate sativas, but for some reason i can smoke hash oil like there's no tomorrow, but still only while using etizolam or benzos.
I wish i could go back to being a big stoner because things were more simple back then, didn't have to worry about seizures and dying or going through withdrawals or seeing a psychiatrist, but honestly, i spend less money now on drugs, do much better in school/life and am in general much happier, though my moods fluctuate when dexedrine wears off and i have a fear of one day having to come off stimulants and etizolam, as all my mental issues come back in full force and do not go away, even after 1.5 years. Opiate dependency sucked though, hated life then, much better off now. Without etizolam, i am agoraphobic, depressed, apathetic, can't socialize, have DP/DR and insane anxiety with daily panic attacks. Without the dexedrine i can't focus worth shit, have no motivation, get irritable when there are too many things going on around me and other symptoms of ADD.
my theory is that these mental issues manifested in my late teens/early 20s while i was a stoner and escalated around 23-24, at which point i sought out alternative treatment with benzos and then self medicated from there on out. Even after quitting benzos for over a year, i still couldn't smoke cannabis at all, so either i caused myself a worse anxiety disorder than i already had or it just really hit its peak the same time i was recovering from benzos, i don't know. I've had ADD since i could remember though, but it was untreated. When i started taking dexedrine my life changed dramatically, marks shot up by like 20% in school despite the fact it's getting more and more difficult. I am at the top of my class, can focus for hours on end and my old photographic memory is getting more and more clear, instead of more and more blurry like when i was just smoking cannabis all day for years.
i can't recommend it, but it works for me so long as i don't run out of etizolam and don't lose my dex script. Try smoking 1 or 2 hits of really shitty weed, that's about all i can handle anymore.
RobotRipping
Bluelighter
^i've yet to see a proper study that conclusively proves that cannabis brings out latent schizophrenia. There are a lot of studies saying so but sample sizes are small, variables not controlled, likely politically motivated/funded to produce a certain result (NIDA has a history of doing this).
there are people with schizophrenia who self medicate with cannabis. What's the harm really, you aren't going to go more schizophrenic from it are you? still i'd stick to an indica or just the shittiest weed you can find and take one or two hits.
there are people with schizophrenia who self medicate with cannabis. What's the harm really, you aren't going to go more schizophrenic from it are you? still i'd stick to an indica or just the shittiest weed you can find and take one or two hits.