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Strange reality or pseudo-scientific nonsense? The heated debate thread.

rickolasnice

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First poster get's to choose first topic, be it ghosts, astrology, homeopathy, jesus or whatever.. What "alternative" belief do you hold and why?

Hopefully this can go down peacefully :p
 
I'm not admitting shit. You have no idea what you are talking about, I have a basic idea of the complexities of astrology, but as it's not going to be part of my career path, it will have to stay elementary, but I have spoken to astrologers since our conversations on here, especially seeing as no one really wanted to enter into the conversation (Foreigner - come on dude, it's the ASTROLOGY CLUB - we are talking about astrology, cut it out bruv).

All I said was that I would try going aquarius for arguments sake to see how the horoscopes struck me, turns out it's a month BACKWARDS not forwards.

So now I will look into sagitarius for arguments sake, but everytime I check my horoscope(capricorn) - it rings so true for what's happening at the moment it's eerie but wonderful, and aquarius was only sometimes right. Sometimes I couldn't relate what it was suggesting. I don't base my whole life on horoscopes, but I do take them into consideration.

Do you not know that astrology is for planting vegetables, and grains, crops etc? It's a cycle. Do you not know that we each have the 5 elements within us, as well as elements(periodic table-wise) and within everything in this universe, and that planetary alignments affect us because of those elements within us, and within those planets? If you plant a crop of potatos for instance, outside, in the wrong season - it will grow poorly, or it simply will not grow - alignment with the solar and lunar cycles.

With us it's different - we are so much more complex. We don't die if we are born in may instead of in june - but what we do is have a personality change.

Within all of us there is yin and yang, light and dark, fire, air, water, earth, and aether, to put it simply.

According to the ancient knowledge of ayurveda, there are 7 types of people - mind-body wise - these things we are passed down from our parents - if we have a vata parent and a pitta parent, we will be almost certainly born vata-pitta.

This is the natural chaos state - the natural imbalance we are born with.

The 7 are -
Vata(air & aether predominant), pitta(fire & water predominant), kapha (earth and water predominant), vata-pitta, vata-kapha, pitta-kapha, and vata-pitta-kapha.

The first 3 are common, the 2nd triplet are more common, and the last imbalance (an excess of each) is fairly rare.

Now you couldn't say there are only 7 types of people on the planet could you? No. There will most likely be 7 X 12 types, on a very basic level, because of what month we were born - what conditions were happening seasonally, and cosmically, and geographically on the day that we were born.

Now go away, your objections mean nothing when you know NOTHING about the subject you are talking about.

Until you study astrology as much as I have (not too much, but enough to tell you to fuck off as politely as possible), then your points are all invalid, it is not your own knowledge but piggybacked off other people.

See ya!

You're quit the aggressive chap, aint ya Jack :p

I'll reply a bit later <3

And where's my palm reading???
 
the brain is not a computer, it is only MOSTLY a computer. something in it connects to a divine spark. after you die, your ghost is the divine sparks "afterimage" of the being encompassed in your computed brain/mind. over time, the spark adjusts to the new state of being, and that ghost dissipates.
 
Here is a fairly convincing compilation of peer reviewed evidence that suggests we are, on some level, psychic.

http://www.deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm

To declare all of this research as flawed is being purposefully ignorant.

Evidence published in Neuroscience Letters for those not happy with the other journals

http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/Pau...ight-Taking-the-Psychology-Out-Parapsychology

Have you researched papers stating the contrary? There's tonnes of them, too. (albeit harder to find thanks to the nature of the internet)..

There were (rigorous) studies done that concluded then, when someone didn't know they were being prayed for, there was no difference.. When they did know they were being prayed for.. they got worse (suspected to be because of the anxiety caused by the expectation of others for getting better).. I can't remember the study (could have been more than one) right now but will try to dig it up..

the brain is not a computer, it is only MOSTLY a computer. something in it connects to a divine spark. after you die, your ghost is the divine sparks "afterimage" of the being encompassed in your computed brain/mind. over time, the spark adjusts to the new state of being, and that ghost dissipates.

There is approximately ZERO evidence for this belief.. but quite a lot pointing at the contrary (we are just biological machines, there is no soul, etc)..

Sorry for the short, lame replies.. haven't much time..
 
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So I'm Wondering what people think about how cracks in the logical seams of the principle of non contradiction (related to godel's incompleteness theorem) affect how we should interpret science.

Ebola
 
Have you researched papers stating the contrary? There's tonnes of them, too. (albeit harder to find thanks to the nature of the internet)..

Yes, I have, and if you can find me one that hasn't been authored by a psychologist I'd be surprised. Not that I have anything against psychologists, it's just that when evaluating the statistical significance of experimental results, I'd rather trust a statistician. The ones I've read, all seem to think this area of research warrants further exploration.

Carl Sagan - The demon-haunted world......

"there are three claims in the field of parapsychology which have at least some experimental support and "deserve serious study", as they "might be true"

(1) that by thought alone humans can affect random number generators in computers;
(2) that people under mild sensory deprivation can receive thoughts or images "projected" at them;
(3) that young children sometimes report the details of a previous life, which upon checking turn out to be accurate and which they could not have know about in any other way than reincarnation."


Have you looked at any of the evidence I presented? I particular, I'd like your opinion on Persinger's results published in Neuroscience Letters ( In my original post - the daily grail link)

Peace

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A few hours after I posted this, I stroll on over to realitysandwhich.com and find an article which is saying similar to what I have just stated; it appears psychologists seem to be the ones with the main chip on their shoulder regarding ESP ( I wonder if that's because they'd have to re-evaluate the whole way in which they understand the human being), and that the majority of statisticians accept that ESP has already been proven.

Here's the article

http://www.realitysandwich.com/does_telepathy_conflict_science

Just a quick quote from the journal Science, for you to consider....

"Believers in psychic phenomena... appear to have won a decisive victory and virtually silenced opposition.... This victory is the result of careful experimentation and intelligent argumentation. Dozens of experimenters have obtained positive results in ESP experiments, and the mathematical procedures have been approved by leading statisticians.... Against all this evidence, almost the only defense remaining to the skeptical scientist is ignorance."

I hope you read the article as it will save me quoting two of the most pronounced skeptics of our day, openly admitting that in contrast to any other area of science that relies on statistics, ESP has been proven. Again and again.

Again, I'm genuinely interested in what you make of this.
 
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No one can--it's outside the space of potential empirical and logical adjudication.

ebola

In the field of paranormal science and in studies based on the theory of morphic resonance, there is an eye-brow-raising amount of circumstantial evidence to show that a person's consciousness can influence the world around them, or receive messages from outside of themselves.

Examples:
- the sense of being stared at
- knowing who is going to telephone you just before the call, and even knowing the subject material of the call (it happens with e-mail too)
- dreams of the future, confirmed using previously-written dream journals as evidence

Not trying to say here that the physical brain is irrelevant to consciousness, just that consciousness may include more than the physical brain.
 
Well, the history of science has been characterized by ever-expanding scope of explanation. If we were to discover definitive empirical evidence of 'supernatural' activity, we would likely extend the scope of what is "physical" or "natural".

What l2r described, a 'divine spark' relatively gradually dissipating back into some manifold following death, is not amenable to empirical investigation--it's not a phenomenon we'd even expect to influence anything we can detect.
 
- dreams of the future, confirmed using previously-written dream journals as evidence

I think this is an indication of how powerful the mind is, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this. I think with REM sleep the brain is able to visualize future scenarios and situations in a non-progressive way...loose associations, starting at an end rather than the beginning, or a "story" as snapshot rather than a beginning-end...dreaming isn't about 1+1+1, etc. or how Johnny needed $5.25 for X item at the store and needed so much time to return home...

its about what I think is the unconscious mind satisfying the conscious mind's worry or dread about 3 months down the road, 2 weeks down the road etc. We all have a process that worries about what happens next. Largely about the brain trying to satisfy ego integrity relating to death and being. We all want to be a whole person. So the brain is an intensely complex and powerful tool, in REM sleep with free association, etc. at its disposal its no wonder the brain might actually predict what may happen in the future. In a sense its the power of unconscious desire being fulfilled, so in a sense you may have consciously not been aware that you are actually fulfilling unconscious desires and working towards them.

I think as well we are all aware of certain situations happening. Like archetypes in a way, so in a weird sense we are predicting certain situations happening, like you drive a car, you might get into a car accident...so maybe you have a dream that you were in a car accident...and then a month down the road you have an accident...its not future prediction but preparation for that unlikely event...and I think it operates on a varied scale...like it could be just a dream of walking somewhere that you've never been. Or seeing something you've never seen. We're all familiar with a boat, as an object...and so we could dream a boat with great detail and then see virtually the same boat in real life, there's probably a fair amount of consciously trying to satisfy the sense that it is the same boat when it isn't
 
i got another one.

all conscious thought is a manifestation of doubt driven by fear instincts.

when you think in words, you are NOT thinking. you are reflecting on your nonverbal thoughts. you are translating FROM thought, which is a separate thing altogether from those words themselves. the reason we use this translation function, which is far less precise or expedient than our actual thought processes, is due to the uncertainty of having no obvious perception of an unconscious thought process. spelling things out verbally tends to confirm whether you are on the right mental track or not. the question "does this idea make sense" is doubt.

if this is true, then a person genetically and/or environmentally predisposed to be both brilliant/aware and confident may live an entire life functioning exceptionally without a single conscious thought. although it is a stretch to imagine this person not ever encountering conscious self reflective processes in their dealing with others, it is still a sound hypothesis.
 
^^ its tough because we have a limited understanding of the brain itself to argue otherwise

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~lngbrain/main.htm

From primitive imaging the brain uses various areas to come up with an "answer" or an "output," so in your model:

A (nonverbal thought) - B (translation) - C (thought)

isn't quite correct.

brainmq.jpg


Is probably closer to the process of how the brain might make the mouth utter the word `òversight`

factor in that its a chemical, electrical, physical, biological process that can use areas of the brain in `seconds`

I think what you are talking about is the psychology of how some people have very little interior thoughts or internal debate vs. people who have preoccupied with internal experience, ie. autism. Which is interesting because by all accounts people with autism would fit within the model of being both brillant (hyper focused on one thing), overconfident to the point of disability (walking out in traffic) yet would have severe lack of language development.

My pseudo scientific nonsense would be that the universe does contain alien life, and probably intelligent life beyond ourselves.
 
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