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Opioids Dealers - Drugs in mouth!?

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Weird because I was just in one of their seminars in rehab a couple months ago and the instructor is the one who gave me the information I used. I know you can't get it through kissing I'm not an idiot. I was meaning if you were to inject someones saliva or something unlikely like that.

Anyways the instructor informed me incorrectly. I apologize for trying to pass off that information. I'm not wrong often but it happens.

But the fact it's not transferable through saliva to blood contact has me questioning why the state of Texas charged an HIV positive man with criminal attempt-murder for biting a security guard that was stopping him from stealing a summer sausage. Lol. Serious


EDIT: I may have misunderstood the instructor, he may have said saliva with blood.


I still wouldnt want to have a bag from an HIV positive persons mouth because they may have an open sore... Blood.
 
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I remember reading a few years ago...someone DID contract HIV through kissing someone....I don't remember the exact details..... but, It's safe to say: contracting HIV through anything other than sexual contact or the sharing of equipment to inject drugs is EXTREMELY rare.....more than EXTREMELY rare, basically will never happen!

the chances of contracting HIV from saliva is less than the chances of winning the lottery, by a lot!
 
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I was meaning if you were to inject someones saliva or something unlikely like that.
If someone had a significant amount of blood in their mouth, you put that spit straight into a syringe and then injected it, then maybe. But in the situation where someone HIV+ has a balloon of dope in their mouth, to transmit it that way they would need to be substantially bleeding in their mouth, get some of that blood on the balloon, some of that blood would have to get into the actual dope, and the virus would have to survive the whole time (HIV does not survive well outside the body, maybe a few hours at most under normal conditions where the sample is allowed to dry; it also doesn't like heat), and then manage to enter the bloodstream of the person using the dope. That is extremely unlikely to happen. And in the situation described by the OP, impossible: the balloon and hands were disinfected and the dope was heated til vaporization and inhaled.

But the fact it's not transferable through saliva to blood contact has me questioning why the state of Texas charged an HIV positive man with criminal attempt-murder for biting a security guard that was stopping him from stealing a summer sausage.
It's very hard to find reliable details about that case, but he was convicted of "Aggravated Robbery w/Deadly Weapon". Biting is not a common way of transmitting HIV, and there are numerous reports of bites from infected persons that did not result in transmission. However there was one reported incident that suggested possible blood-to-blood transmission of HIV by a human bite. So biting is considered to carry a very low but possible risk.

There are actually around 10 cases in the US where people with HIV spat at people (usually police officers, often in Texas) and were charged and/or convicted of things like "assault with a deadly weapon" or "criminal exposure to HIV", which is outrageous to HIV organizations. It does sound very unjust to me. Contact with saliva alone has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV, and there are no documented cases of transmission from an HIV-infected person spitting on another person. The US appears to be the only country that sends HIV-positive individuals to prison for spitting, and this likely happens due to police, judicial and jury ignorance about how HIV is/isn't transmitted, general hysteria surrounding AIDS, and general persecution and judgement of HIV+ people.

I remember reading a few years ago...someone DID contract HIV through kissing someone....I don't remember the exact details.....

The CDC says there are one or 2 extremely rare cases of HIV being supposedly transmitted via deep “French” kissing but in each case, infected blood was exchanged due to bleeding gums or sores in the mouth. They consider there to be a remote risk from deep, open-mouth kissing if there are sores or bleeding gums and blood is exchanged.

I am not sure how they can even know for certain if someone did indeed contract it solely through kissing aside from relying on the statements provided by the person on their activities.

Studies have found that saliva actually somehow inactivates the vast majority of the HIV virus, even people with actively-virus-shedding HIV/AIDS only have minute to no active virus in their saliva (not enough to transmit to another person). However, if you add a large enough amount of infected blood, semen or breast milk to saliva, any of those fluids can protect the virus from being killed by the saliva.
 
Chemistyfag here. You heated the heroin, I'm assuming? You killed any trace of HIV/AIDS. HIV is very fragile and cannot survive in an oxygen enriched environment (and you need oxygen to create fire). It has to be immersed in liquid, aka blood.

Your friend is fine.
 
once you sit down and study the methods of how these drugs are smuggled into the country, Them being in someones mouth is gonna seem like sunshine and butterflies by comparison
 
Drug in mouth dealing is a common thing in my city, one of the safest ways for a street pusher, who gives a fuck about final user's health when some of them make 2000 euros x day and after few years they're back to Africa with a mega house with swiming pool ready for them ???
 
People are letting their emotions get the better of their rational thinking. AIDs is not going to be transferred through what the OP described. You might not want to eat dinner off a plate someone took a shit on, but if the plate's been washed & sterilised, it's not going to hurt you.
 
I hate to nitpick here, but you don't contract AIDS, you contract HIV, which can lead to the development of a group of symptoms (a syndrome), the main one of which being auto-immune deficiency.
 
every time i score, i always keep my bag in my HAND while driving home that way i can swallow it if needed....this mouth thing doesn't look like a good idea. cops always ask you to open your mouth when looking for drugs. if you're getting pulled over with a hit or two or 10, just "yawn" and swallow it. i know it sucks but it's way better than going to jail.
 
ps...if you're friend smoked it...i am pretty sure the heat would destroy any "virus"...still...yuck. haha
 
The relative impossibility of transfer of the virus in this scenario, stated more eloquently by others, aside, I'd like to point out something I found a bit interesting here.

That is to say, people have mentioned they often cop dope from other dealers who had it in their mouths, yet are somewhat freaked by the OP's story. Because you know, the other dealers didn't have aids (or anything else, possibly much more communicable).But that's just common sense, based on the inherent trustworthiness and impeccable health record of the average dope dealer.
 
I think somebody actually TELLING you they have AIDS is a bit disconcerting and kind of does something to you psychologically! Anybody could have anything, you have no way of knowing, that's why it's important to be extremely cautious, especially if you're an IV drug user!

But the saliva on the bags is the least of your worries if you're buying and using street drugs like heroin!

Of course, I'd be more worried about catching a cold/ flu or possibly even herpes, not sure if thats plausible, but if somebody with open sores on their lips spit out a bag and handed it to me, I'd be a little sketched out about that....
 
The thought of putting a substance in my body that was stored in a HIV+ homeless person's mouth is fucking disgusting.
 
lets treat those with HIV like the subhuman monsters that they are.

but in all seriousness, your "buddy" could have licked that bums asshole and not gotten hiv. and what's with these people trying to say they are posting on behalf of their "buddies", yet know all kinds of details including the current thoughts of their friends. this isn't that other forum, saying "my buddy" is one step above SWIM. anyways even if the bum has full blown aids, in which case I feel terrible for him, you're not going to catch it from touching a bag that was in his mouth. married couples, one with a positive hiv status, one with negative have kiss, have sex (even without a condom if the woman is hiv+), hug, share the same toilet, etc and can go for years, even life without transmitting the virus to one another. HIV is a terrible virus, but it is relatively difficult to transmit. If HIV had the same transmission ability of, say, smallpox, the human race would be doomed (or at least life expectancy would be much shorter).

so smoke the dope, shoot the dope, do what you want with it. unless there is blood to blood contact in this situation you are safe..
 
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It's definitely not they way I would prefer to get my junk, but the stuff was sealed (to some degree at least), the bum would have had to have open sores in his mouth, and even then I would think smoking the stuff would denature and destroy any virus present. That is mere speculation on my part though.
 
Id have been much more concerned about what the bum DIDNT say he had. HIV holds no threat in this situation, unless you paid for the gear in a fashion other then with cash??;-)
Herpes would be alot more of a concern and id have thoughtmore prevalent among any community, even homeless ones.
 
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