Mental Health psychologist or psychiatrist?

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I am going through alot these days from dependency on benzos, addiction to marijuana, obsessive thoughts, to a 7 yr relationship ending that took up a third of my life..(only 24).

I am confused on if I should seek a psychologist or psychiatrist. I am trying to taper of off xanax through my regular physician but I feel ultra suicidal these days as I am obsessing more on my relationships with people and just feeling totally lost....I am unsure who to contact or what to do? I am always depressed and it is just getting way worse to the point of doing these horrific things to myself so I don't have to deal with this mental pain anymore...

I also don't have full funds for paying fully for a shrink. I am on medicaid and they do offer psychologist and psychiatrist I think...
 
Hi there buds,

I posted this information in another thread and it may be of use to you:

What is the Difference Between a Psychiatrist, Psychologist and a Therapist?

Psychiatrists

A psychiatrist is a Medical Doctor (M.D.) who has graduated from a medical school. A psychiatrist’s training focuses on general medicine while in medical school. They will then go on to 3-4 years of residency where they will specialize in psychiatry. While for many years in the past, the psychiatrist normally prescribed medications and also delivered psychotherapy, their roles have changed today. For the most part, psychiatrists now do psychiatric evaluations for the purpose of determining if an individual would be appropriate for treatment with medications. If so determined, the psychiatrist prescribes the medications and then follows the patient for medication management. Medication management includes initially following the patient closely until they are stabilized with the proper dosage ( usually once every 1-2 weeks until stabilization occurs) and then usually once every 1-3 months for maintenance.

Psychologists

A psychologist is a clinician who holds a Doctorate in Psychology (Psy.D.) or a Doctor of Philosophy in Psychology (Ph.D.). These clinicians have spent at least 5-6 years of graduate work strictly studying psychology, then moving on to complete 1-2 years of internship followed by 1-2 years of supervised clinical work experience before qualifying for the right to sit for the licensing examination. A psychologist does not prescribe medication. Instead, they provide psychotherapy through their in-depth knowledge of psychological theory, therapy, research and diagnostic testing. Psychologists also specialize in psychological testing and are the only group of clinicians trained to do so. Psychological testing require years of training that involves not only how to give the tests, but also how to score and integrate the test information with clinical interviews, background information, knowledge of personality theory, human development and research.

The title “psychologist” can only be used by someone who has completed the above training and has then passed both national and state licensing examinations. Informally, a psychologist may be referred to as a “therapist,” “counselor,” or “clinician.” However, these are more general terms that can be used by other mental health professionals who are not formally trained and licensed psychololgists.

Social Workers

Licensed Clinical Social Workers (LCSW’s) hold Masters degrees. Their training consists of typically 2 years of graduate school and 1-2 years of internship. LCSW’s assess, diagnose, intervene and treat individuals, families and groups with psychosocial problems. They will frequently partner with a psychiatrist if they feel medication should be part of the treatment protocol.

Mental Health Counselors

Licensed Mental Health Counselors (LMHC’s) hold Masters degrees in counseling. They have completed 2 years of graduate training and 1-2 years of work experience under supervision. LMHC’s provide counseling to individuals, families and groups. They, too, will partner with a psychiatrist if they feel medications might be included in the treatment protocol.

You may benefit more from talking to your regular GP about addiction specialists who you can talk to.
 
Its not so much the addictions I am worried about, its more the core problems. I am tapering off of xanax through my physician and am willing to get off them. I am going thru withdrawals though..which is causing me to have obsessive thoughts. But I have always needed some kind of professional help as I have major depression for about ten years now. Though since I am on xanax, would a psychiatrist be better to help me taper?
 
you'd probably be better off researching how to do it yourself as far as tapering goes. in my experience psychs don't want to go into anymore than they have to. you might be better off telling some dr at a damn ER you're tapering b/c it's their job to care b/c you'll come in seizuring otherwise. but generally speaking yes a psych is who deals with the med part and not the mental part. tell your psychologist your thoughts as you're coming off of it, that's about all they can do.
 
To address any underlying issues in hopes of finding relief then I would suggest a psychologist. To get temporary relief from a drug until you are able to benefit enough from therapy to feel comfortable then it would be a good idea to see a psychiatrist. There are really good and bad people working in both fields so I would really suggest doing as much research as needed to find some really good ones. Good luck.
 
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definitely go see a psychiatrist, they know way more about how the brain works and how benzos work and most of them are fucked in the sense that there's only one aspect to an indivuduals emotional problems and that is their neurochemistry. I like the idea as a drug addict but you should see a psychologist to actually sort out any emotional issues underneath.

basically, you need to see both. They serve totally different purposes, unfortunately
 
Social Workers

Licensed Clinical Social Workers (LCSW’s) hold Masters degrees. Their training consists of typically 2 years of graduate school and 1-2 years of internship. LCSW’s assess, diagnose, intervene and treat individuals, families and groups with psychosocial problems. They will frequently partner with a psychiatrist if they feel medication should be part of the treatment protocol.

Mental Health Counselors

Licensed Mental Health Counselors (LMHC’s) hold Masters degrees in counseling. They have completed 2 years of graduate training and 1-2 years of work experience under supervision. LMHC’s provide counseling to individuals, families and groups. They, too, will partner with a psychiatrist if they feel medications might be included in the treatment protocol.

That was a good post. However, it is missing some info for social workers and mh counselors.

For one, there is more than one type of social worker. Not all social workers are clinical. An LMSW (M = Master's) is licensed but does not hold the clinical designation. Most practicing social workers are known as case managers. But not all case managers are LMSWs or LCSWs. It's kind of a grey area. For example, I hold a Master's (not in social work) and am a case manager. I have coworkers who hold only BAs but who are case managers. Also, AFAIK social workers do not diagnose or treat. According to your own post, the diagnosing is left to the psychiatrists and psychologists. The treating is left to the aforementioned as well and also the mh counselors.

As for the mh counselors, I don't think my state has people with the title LMHC. At least in Texas, that person would be known as an LPC, which = Licensed Professional Counselor.

Then there is the LCDC, which = Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor. Often, an LPC will also be an LCDC.

Other than that, your post was spot on for showing the training required and job descriptions of these titles.
 
That was a good post. However, it is missing some info for social workers and mh counselors.

For one, there is more than one type of social worker. Not all social workers are clinical. An LMSW (M = Master's) is licensed but does not hold the clinical designation. Most practicing social workers are known as case managers. But not all case managers are LMSWs or LCSWs. It's kind of a grey area. For example, I hold a Master's (not in social work) and am a case manager. I have coworkers who hold only BAs but who are case managers. Also, AFAIK social workers do not diagnose or treat. According to your own post, the diagnosing is left to the psychiatrists and psychologists. The treating is left to the aforementioned as well and also the mh counselors.

As for the mh counselors, I don't think my state has people with the title LMHC. At least in Texas, that person would be known as an LPC, which = Licensed Professional Counselor.

Then there is the LCDC, which = Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor. Often, an LPC will also be an LCDC.

Other than that, your post was spot on for showing the training required and job descriptions of these titles.

Thanks for that information Jerry. I was mainly using it to point out the differences between psych(ologist/iatrists), but the information on social workers and mental health counselors may have been helpful as well. I will be sure to include your information in the future.

buds - if you are looking to address the underlying issues (which many in recovery overlook) then a psychologist is who you should see.
 
My psychiatrist sometimes could spend an hour talking with me if he had no other patients waiting. But mostly ask me how the meds were working for me. I had seen him for several years and he suggested that I see a therapist. They are there for nothing but talking about what's bothering you and try to get to the root of it. So you might need both, but talk to the psychiatrist first and see what he/she recommends.
 
Psychologist. They offer therapy, psychiatrists offer medications. Usually before a psychologist prescribes anything, they need to consult with a psychiatrist with what medications to prescribe (depending on state).
 
Thanks for that information Jerry. I was mainly using it to point out the differences between psych(ologist/iatrists), but the information on social workers and mental health counselors may have been helpful as well. I will be sure to include your information in the future.

No problem. I'm sure I left some things out as well as I am somewhat new to the profession myself.
 
^ my psychiatrist does a bit of both.

Talks to me for an hour each time.

That's actually quite astonishing. I have been seeing psychiatrists for almost a decade and other than an initial assessment, I have never had one spend more than 10 minutes asking me what the nurse already asked me. Are you hearing voices? Do you want to harm yourself or someone else? etc.
 
^I figured it was somewhat uncommon.

I think part of it is his fascination with psychology, since he seems truly interested and asks very specific questions. I quite like him. When I'm having a rough patch he'll see me every two weeks, but when it's a better patch it can be two months.
 
I agree 100% with RobotRipping Psychiatrist for the management of medication and psychologist for the underlyung issues that make u abuse substances
 
I actually see a nurse practitioner who practices under a group of psychiatrists. She makes her own decisions and is able to prescribe drugs without consulting with a psychiatrist, but she discusses things with them regularly and has patients meet with a psychiatrist if the patients' needs go beyond her experience.

I assume this is uncommon and only seen at larger clinics that have outpatient psychiatry departments.
 
Well I made an appointment with a psychologist after making this thread..I have an appointment for tonight at 8:30 as that is all that he had available. He charges 125 dollars for a 45 minute session which is half of my paycheck....I am looking for one under my insurance plan, but not have gotten any responses yet. I am afraid that by going tonight I will be wasting my time, gas and money. Because this guy I am seeing tonight is very far, I have to see him very late, and I don't think I am going to get anywhere with one session...and I do not plan on paying weekly for this as I don't have the funds. I must find one under my insurance plan.

I woke up today obsessing about how I think I saw my ex driving last night and who was in the car...so I am unsure if I should just go to this appointment because I do not feel mentally well right now, but like I said, one session isnt going to do anything I do not think....
 
It's hard because you'll need many sessions--you can't expect a solution in only one session (nor would they prescribe you anything)...
 
So I went to talk to the psychologist and it made me really upset for some reason...Just knowing I let myself in this boat in the first place. I did not get much from that one session like Pretty_Diamonds said, besides that I was told I am depressed and that is where my anxiety comes from...This I knew. So today I woke up feeling ultra shitty, just dwelling on how I am so unhappy with where I am in life....I need a major perception change. I need to look at things from a total different light...
 
You really should find a therapist that's under your insurance so you can go regularly. With many sessions, you'll be able to see things differently. Don't let one session bring you down.
 
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