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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 5)

Inhibiting reuptake generally prevents the releaser getting into the neuron so the effects of the releaser will be blocked.

Does this mean that 6-APB is a DAT substrate? Also, this would effect only dopaminergic neurons, leaving the serotonin effect unchanged, and I doubt you would fail to see serious tachycardia and high bp on the combination.
 
Yes it is. Look at how SSRIs block the effects of MDMA for example. The transporter is also required to work in reverse to flood flood the synapse so it's two fold.

Yes, that specific combo would mostly block the dopaminergic effects. I don't doubt there would be health risks either
 
Not going to go into detailed events now and I know this wasn't the brightest move (understatement I know) but I will say that high dosages of this stuff can be very detrimental to your psychological state. I had began to raise my dose to approx 600-800mg every 3-4 weekends (up to 1 gr one weekend) and after the 5th time I had a psychotic break. I began to experience delusions, delusions of reference, paranoia, depersonalization, HPPD, massive depression, and panic attacks. Lasted a year but gradually returned to my normal state with the help of medication.

Please stay safe and watch doseages.
 
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Wow! That's pretty rough! I haven't used more than 250 mg before and that's pretty potent. I can only imagine what it was like with 800mg... I bet when the fog set in it was thick!
 
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Hi everyone,

Was looking for some advice with regard to APB.

Generally, I'm an anti-drugs person, I have plenty of friends who have done or do drugs but it's never been my type of scene. Around a month ago, it was my first time with Benzo Fury. It was more of an in the moment thing, I wasn't planning to do it that night but sort of just happened. It was my first time on drugs. I loved it. I didn't take that much at all but it was amazing.

Ever since then, I don't think I've been the same. I've had this sort of numbness in my head ever since, the first two weeks or so, it was quite bad but it's sort of got better as time as gone by. However, it still remains today. It's something weird to explain, it's like a numbness/tingling sensation in my brain/head. I've noticed this sensation has changed places as well at times. I did drink while on it but I didn't drink too much. I also took a week off of going out i.e. drinking after I had done it. This tingling sensation is just there, it's weird, I still just get on with life, it doesn't really effect me, I can do my work for university, still go out etc. It hasn't really effected my ability to do things, I still feel the same. The first two weeks I was tired/dazed, my friend even commented on it but I thought that was just normal. I feel fine now, it's just weird that it's still there as I thought it would go. One thing I have noticed, is that it's worse when I'm tired or after I've been drinking. Before Friday, I hadn't gone out in a good 12 days or so (I think) and I noticed it was getting better, although that could of been to do with the the fact that I was really busy. It's a weird sensation to explain, it's a bit like when say you've been studying all day and it's come to that point when your brain just needs a rest and feels fried.

It has worried me over the last month or so. And I do believe it's time to see a doctor, something which I should have done earlier I know. The problem is, seeing a doctor requires telling my parents that I've done drugs. Something I can feel I can do, I've already told them about the numbness but the not the drug side. I'm currently at uni, so I live away from home. The holidays are coming up in a week or so, so I'll probably see a doctor then when I'm back at home. It's just going to be an awkward conversation.

Was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this numbness before? Or does anyone have any advice for my situation?

It was my first time on drugs properly, it was a great experience but because of the after effects, I don't think I'll be going anywhere near drugs in the future.

Thanks.
 
thing is Ed, funnily enough Drs often have a piss poor understanding and narrow minded outlook on these things. I suspect you will get more knowledge about research chems on here than in your Drs office; just soemthing to consider before getting a written, permanent record on your file at the GPs

about your question;

the 'benzo fury' pellets gave me 'brain zaps' for several days...hard to explain what they're like, like a startling pulse of electricity going through my head, often as i was drifting off to sleep.

i believe they are a consequence of playing with your seratonin levels and not an indicator of any damge done...

as to you experiencing 2 / 3 week symptoms, now i'm not a Dr but thats a lot longer than i've ever heard of.
It could mean
A - these drugs are just not for you, the symptoms have extended as its the first time you've played with that part of the brain and its just wondering what on earth happened
B - its a coincidence and your symptoms are viral and have nothing to do with the 6APB
C - its psychosamatic and / or you're brain is creating this feeling because you are focusing on / worrying too much about it
that may sound like im patronizing you but i'm really not, 6APB is a mild psychedelic but any psychedelic can play games with you if you let it, most people who experiment with these things eventually have an experience that lingers with them for a while

now i imagine somebody will come along and tell you to get to the DRs sharpish, and maybe that would be the better thing to do, i'm just telling you what i would do, which in a nutshell is wait it out....
if you really want to see the DR think long and hard before mentioning drugs to your GP, they really can be utter twats, the idea that once you've tried one drug you are on your way to being a crack whore or jumping out of a window is more common that you'd think
 
Thank you for your reply.

I believe it's the seratonin levels but of course I'm not sure.

That's a good point about the worrying thing. My first time was more and in the moment thing, it wasn't planned. I didn't really realize what I had done until I took it. It then hit home and I realised fuck, I've just done drugs. I was quite worried after I had taken it and while I was waiting for it too hit me, once it hit me, I was more or less fine, while I was on it there was bit more worrying but that was mainly because I was nearly sick, after doing a shot, I kept the vodka (or whatever it was) in my mouth for too long. That gave me a gagging feeling but I was fine after that, just couldn't keep still and wanted to dance all the time. I loved the experience, apart from the worrying beforehand.

My friend said I looked worried beforehand. I'm quite a worrier in general to be fair but that has started to go as I've gotten older, I'm 20 now. The period where my head started to feel better i.e. the period I mentioned above, was when I was most busy and hadn't been drinking. I don't really worry about it constantly but it's definitely on my mind. Maybe should have mentioned this in my original post. I think my worries have gotten worse because the tingling etc hasn't gone away. I did some research online and people have said that it should goes after 2 weeks but I guess everyone is different.

I think it's probably best to see the doctor anyhow, my problem might be not linked with Benzo at all.
 
first: there is no such thing as "drugs". there are psychoactive substances with a wide array of pharmacological and psychological effects. please don't talk about "drugs" and stop thinking in terms of "drugs" and "drug scene". what especially annoys me is the notion of "drugs" vs. "alcohol"...many people do it and it's not only scientifically wrong but misleading and dangerous.
if you chose to consume potent psychoactive substances (like 6-apb) it is wise to do sufficient research about the nature of the compound; dose, potential effects, duration, after effects and so on. are you sure you consumed 6-apb? do you know the dose?
end of rant. :)

more on topic: your problem sounds psychosomatic. this does not mean that it is no real or that you are crazy...it means that it is probably not created by physical but by psychological mechanisms (very real ones that is). 6-apb (given you indeed consumed 6-apb) is a substance with quite remarkable potentials to change the way you think, feel and experience reality - also in the long run and permanently. this is a feature it shares with other powerful psychoactives such as MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and so on (empathogens, psychedelics or more generally: entheogens). those substances are no toys and should rather be treated as tools for self-exploration and growth. disregarding or underestimating the potential (transformative) power of those substances may lead to dark places. one possible way in the direction of a dark place might be: "taking drugs is against my views. nevertheless I did take drugs without thinking. I even enjoyed it a lot - hell I even had realizations I never thought of, never could have thought of if I hadn't touched drugs. I feel good, no I feel guilty. I don't know." boy, I can't look into your mind but I could see thoughts like that arising and I can very clearly see how thoughts like that can lead to symptoms you describe.
I don't suggest that you disrespected a sacrament and are therefor punished ( ;) ) but you should be aware of those potential effects and also that it is often vital for a person's psychological and physical wellbeing to debrief and integrate experiences provoked by powerful psychoactive substances. serious psychedelics [on bluelight I'm probably in the minority with this view but I definitely count 6-apb as a serious psychedelic] demand commitment and are often as much 'work' as they are 'play'.
some of those ideas probably sound unfamiliar or even weird to you. I don't know if it helps or furthers deepens you insecurities if I tell you that pretty much everything you hear about "drugs" in mass media or from governmental agencies is simply wrong or misleading - I still tell you cause I think the dissonance between personal experience and (seemingly) consensual knowledge can make adaptive integration a lot harder...


I admit, much of what I said is speculation based on intuitions I felt after reading you post. in fact there is a chance that you do have a physical/physiological problem (not necessarily) caused by a psychoactive substance. it just not very plausible given my experience and knowledge.

btw: I'm 99% sure you are alright. just don't be afraid! welcome to bluelight! :)


edit: didn't read your second post before sending my reply but now I'm even more convinced that your problem is psychosomatic. you seem to be a sensitive and reflected guy. and 6-apb is a powerful substance. this is a mixture that can lead to - let's say - challenging states.
alcohol is a shit drug btw. it's much more obviously toxic (for body&soul) than 6-apb. if you chose to consume it at least don't mix it with decent psychoactives...
 
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Alcohol is a terrible, horrible, highly addictive drug. :p Your problem does sound psychosomatic. Maybe that's not the right word. Sounds like anxiety. Psychedelic, empathogenic, and stimulant substances (like 6-apb) can make an already present anxiety disorder worse. If you do see a doctor, I wouldn't mention that you've been using drugs. Anxiety can present itself in many, seemingly unrelated, ways. What you're experiencing does not sound like a side effect from 6-apb. Did you know your dose? Anyway, keep us posted.
 
Thank you for your replies, they have helped.

In reply to your posts. As I said earlier, my experience was more and in the moment thing. I have had opportunities to try MD etc in the past but have always refused. The night I did, the majority of people were on similar stuff as well, I was also with one of my best friends who has done it several times before. He also made sure I was with him the whole night, to keep an eye on me etc. He kept giving me advice and guidance as well. If I was ever going to try it, it would have been best to do it that night given the set of conditions. I regret taking it now but I am young at the same time and I've learnt my lesson which is probably been the best thing about doing it.

I have done research before mainly because so many of friends do MD and other stuff, I thought in case I was to do it, I'd be prepared. I would say compared to a lot of people my age, I am educated when it comes to this sort of stuff. Mainly because I am lectured constantly about it by my friends. I am also aware of the media and their stance on drugs etc.

I agree my situation is maybe psychosomatic. I'm guessing the tingling etc has been bad today because I've been more worried about it hence the post on here. I think there's a link between how stressed/tired/worried I am, and the tingling.

I still think it's best to go to the doctor anyway. Any more advice with regards to that? It might be best for me to get a check on my overall health. While the conversation between me and my parents and the doctor is not going to be ideal, I think it's probably best for me to tell them about what I took.
 
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you seem like a sensible guy, this was a one off.
As a parent i think its nice that you feel able to tell your folks....but as a parent i'm not sure if you're just gunna cause them unnecessary worry...

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i dont think they need to know TBH...

just my opinion, if you're wanting to just forget this and move on then the less people that know the easier it will be
 
Hi everyone,

Was looking for some advice with regard to APB.

Generally, I'm an anti-drugs person, I have plenty of friends who have done or do drugs but it's never been my type of scene. Around a month ago, it was my first time with Benzo Fury. It was more of an in the moment thing, I wasn't planning to do it that night but sort of just happened. It was my first time on drugs. I loved it. I didn't take that much at all but it was amazing.

Ever since then, I don't think I've been the same. I've had this sort of numbness in my head ever since, the first two weeks or so, it was quite bad but it's sort of got better as time as gone by. However, it still remains today. It's something weird to explain, it's like a numbness/tingling sensation in my brain/head. I've noticed this sensation has changed places as well at times. I did drink while on it but I didn't drink too much. I also took a week off of going out i.e. drinking after I had done it. This tingling sensation is just there, it's weird, I still just get on with life, it doesn't really effect me, I can do my work for university, still go out etc. It hasn't really effected my ability to do things, I still feel the same. The first two weeks I was tired/dazed, my friend even commented on it but I thought that was just normal. I feel fine now, it's just weird that it's still there as I thought it would go. One thing I have noticed, is that it's worse when I'm tired or after I've been drinking. Before Friday, I hadn't gone out in a good 12 days or so (I think) and I noticed it was getting better, although that could of been to do with the the fact that I was really busy. It's a weird sensation to explain, it's a bit like when say you've been studying all day and it's come to that point when your brain just needs a rest and feels fried.

It has worried me over the last month or so. And I do believe it's time to see a doctor, something which I should have done earlier I know. The problem is, seeing a doctor requires telling my parents that I've done drugs. Something I can feel I can do, I've already told them about the numbness but the not the drug side. I'm currently at uni, so I live away from home. The holidays are coming up in a week or so, so I'll probably see a doctor then when I'm back at home. It's just going to be an awkward conversation.

Was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this numbness before? Or does anyone have any advice for my situation?

It was my first time on drugs properly, it was a great experience but because of the after effects, I don't think I'll be going anywhere near drugs in the future.

Thanks.


The most important thing is to not let yourself get too worried. Focusing on it will only bring it to light further and reinforces it. Now I'm not saying you can just will it away, but your thought process has to become more positive. As was mentioned, psychedelics are powerful enough to change how you feel and what you perceive, due to the brain's chemistry which is regulated to stay in an optimal condition which maintains your mental health.

If you feel that concerned, and any amount of self-healing hasn't produced positive results (self-healing methods would be changing the way you think about the situation, physical activities like exercise, eating healthy foods and possibly taking a supplement, taking up a new hobby/project with some passion, meditation, or discussing it with friends and family and gaining support), don't be afraid to schedule an appointment with your General Practitioner. Talk it over with him/her. You could see a psychologist to discuss how you're feeling or even get a recommendation to a psychiatrist from your GP. I'm not a doctor, but from my experience and research, if physical sensation moves around, that can be an indicator of a psychosomatic illness. Also, sleep deprivation and alcohol will put a strain on your body, both physically and mentally, and will exacerbate any stress or anxiety .

Just to let you know, many people have experienced slight changes after taking mind altering substances. Normally it takes time for the serotonin and dopamine (more complex than just these two transmitters) to once again be regulated so you can feel yourself again. Some cases require medication to speed up recovery and manage your neurotransmitter levels for you. It doesn't sound like you would need to be on medication, but honestly it comes down to what ever makes you feel better. And if you have always worried, than an anti-anxiety med would probably not be a bad thing. Again, brush it off and don't let it consume you. I've been down that path recently and had to train myself with positive reinforcement. Though with how severe my condition was, I needed medication to counteract much of the chemical imbalance I had. Once the depression and the psychosis receded, I was better able to get a hold of my thought process and reduce the anxiety as I have always done. I also experienced the common "brain-zaps" which is directly related to serotonin modulation, as is seen from SSRI withdrawal.

I think what Johannes was attempting to convey was that you need to understand and take responsibility for doing something you may question, which may cause you to be in a conflicting state causing further stress because that's who you are, but at the same time you should use that acceptance to put it behind you and not let it hinder you. It's an experience that will make you stronger in the end.

I didn't tell my parents what happened to me. I think I should have, but I didn't want them to worry plus I was ashamed considering I was the one to cause myself harm. I likely would have had more support then the select few friends I told. I was way out there though. Don't beat yourself up over it, it sounds like you are still doing very well. Anxiety can mimic so many ailments and cause your body to feel strained due to your sympathetic system being activated, and stress has a lot to do with it. I will say this though, the human body and brain are very resilient when it comes to repairing itself, especially in healthy individuals (ie no major hereditary diseases or lethal viruses).

There is stigma surrounding "drugs", which in some circumstances it's rightly so. Everyone's body chemistry is different, just like our perceptions, personality, genetics. You start messing with your chemistry, especially the ones that regulate thinking and feeling, and these psychoactives will have a wide range of effects, from intense blissful realizations and feeling one with everything, to extreme paranoia, fear, delusions, depersonalization/derealization, and with some drugs and personalities; addiction. They need to be respected. You can come away from either experience with more knowledge about yourself.

How you feel going into a session along with your preconceived notions will also drive how the event and subsequent recovery is going to turn out . Think about this scenario: You have been studying for one of your exams day in and day out, and come exam time, you feel extremely confident about passing the test. Since it was a final, you know you just solidified your "A". Barring any extreme circumstances, you will have felt great the entire day. Now on the flip side, you dicked around and hung out with friends, getting drunk and partying most of the semester and come exam day you didn't study, you are going to have a pretty shitty day. Your mind set is very important when your chemistry is being altered to such a degree.

Sorry for the long post. I hope it was beneficial to you and any others. Now back to our regularly scheduled "research". =D
 
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being on a little bit of ketamine and working my way through walkens text I have this matrix-scene in my mind: "red pill" or "blue pill"?

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it's all gonna make us stronger in the end... :)
 
Thanks a lot mate. Brilliant post, honestly really helped.

One of my positives is that I'm a good observer of myself if that makes sense. Like say, when I get ill, I know what to do and what I need to make myself feel better. I guess, I need to take that sort of mind set now.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I was feeling better when I was at my busiest, not really thinking about the brain zaps (that's a good way to describe them, thanks) simply because I was too busy, eating well and just getting on with life. I think that's what I need to do now, everyone has helped massively on here but even just looking on here and posting in this thread is not really going to help me too much either I guess because it's just going to make me dwell on the problem. I think research in general is probably not going to be a good thing for me and my recovery. People on here have really helped and I'll definitely look at this thread for guidance again but some of the stuff on the internet just freaks you out even more which again probably hasn't helped by anxiety.

Now that I look back to the experience, I was pretty nervous before doing it and that probably hasn't helped. Talking to mates who do it regularly they all say that you need to be in the right mind set before doing it which I probably wasn't looking back. I do have a worrying problem to be fair, that has gone slowly as I've got older, I worry much less now but it's probably something I still need to get help for. My parents are fully aware of me worrying too much about things as well.

Getting more exercise should be good for me and I'm definitely going to go to the doctors, probably mentioning my drug experience.
 
Just one last thing. Sorry to bang on but it has helped posting on here.

Looking back at the period where I was feeling better i.e. before last Friday, I have just noticed that my sleeping pattern was very good. I was going a bed at the same time every night and had a good routine. I noticed when I woke up yesterday (Saturday) I was shattered, more shattered than usual after a night out. Looking at it now, I think that was to do with breaking the routine I had going.
 
But, I have noticed decreased patience. And what inhibits me from telling people what I think disappears for a while, too, so I become more reactive. There's still a part of my mind that isn't paying attention until I consciously send a messenger up there and ring the bell, but as my physiology returns to normal, not too much has changed. Am I addicted to this chemical? Not that I know of, as I have never experienced anything like a withdrawal symptom, but I'll let you know the next couple of weeks.

A difference me and my friends noticed on 6-APB as opposed to MDMA/MDA was that during the following week of use, there was a subtle irritation, less patience as you claim, and me and my GF and the couple that rolled with us argued more so than normal. A few other friends voiced the same concern after trying it. It could be just perception, but it was ironic that we all came to the same conclusion while discussing the side effects. The come up and euphoria were different too. More body load via the analogue and a clearer head during the peak and after.
 
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