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Salvia for Depression and Anxiety

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theblackgod

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I've read low doses 3 times a week or more can be an antidepressant.
Have some questions:
Leaf or 5x extract? (never smoked anything before)
Is it better to smoke or chew?

Am at rock bottom. Just want some help. Thanks
 
For your purposes, I'd smoke the leaves. Well since you've never smoked I'd even suggest vaping it. Play around with the doses but leaves are generally very mild. Begin low of course.
You can have the antidepressant effect without really breaking through, anyway.

Good luck.
 
Achten said:
For your purposes, I'd smoke the leaves. Well since you've never smoked I'd even suggest vaping it. Play around with the doses but leaves are generally very mild. Begin low of course.
You can have the antidepressant effect without really breaking through, anyway.

Good luck.
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Thanks.

How much would you recommend smoking?
And what kind of pipe do i need?
 
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^ Not allowed.. No posting ANYTHING about vendors..

I second Captain.Heroins post.. DMT is MUCH better.
 
theblackgod said:
Thanks.

How much would you recommend smoking?
And what kind of pipe do i need?
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I use this one.
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I'd say begin with 200-300mg (leaves of course, dried and grinded). Go up by 50mg or so.
It can take up to 750-1000mg to breakthough, but for your effects I think 100-500mg should be enough.

Put the leaves in the vapo, then lighten the sides of the bowl, shake now and then. WHen you've got a nice bowl, inhale slowly while keeping the flame lit on the bowl. Keep this in (don't breath) for 20-30seconds. You can stop here and get a feel or inhale again. Anyway put down the pipe and close your eyes. After 5 minutes you'll get a feel what the antidepressant effect is for you, and if it even helps.
You'll want to read up in other threads what happens in those 5 minutes though.
 
suggesting DMT to someone who hasnt smoked anything and hasnt mentioned previous experience of any other psychs seems extreme to point of near trolling IMO

OP - if you're wanting to use salvia leaves as a medicine rehydrating a small ammount of leaf and chewing for 15 - 20 mins would be a much better option

just start small, very small, if the leaves are intact i would say start with 2, and stay at 2 for a few days and monitor your results....but any leaves you get off the net are likely to be very dry and crumbly so try to guesstimate what 2 leaves might be.

Smoking a 5 x extract through a pipe is likely to be quite giggly, enjoyable and morish. You need a large chambered pipe IME [ a bong with no water works well ], it tends to work if you can get a good solid lungful with as little clean air in as possible, hold it for as long as you possibly can for maximum effect.

I can't say ive noticed any particular anti-depressant qualities to salvia but i wish you the best of luck
 
While DMT does have a fantastic antidepressant effect I'm not sure this is appropriate solution for OP... requires extreme mind-exploding and deep exploration of the universe, which isn't for everyone ;) (especially not for OP since he says he is at rock bottom...)
I've tried using salvia for this purpose before and found it quite effective. I would recommend buying leaf salvia as this is much much cheaper and just as effective for low dose purposes.
What I did was smoke a bowl of plain salvia leaf in a bong, once a day every day. At first it won't do much at all but as sensitisation kicks in you'll find it much more effective and might even have to lower the dose if you don't want to trip.
I found the effect to be a very noticeable lift, increase in motivation, decrease in anxiety. Lasts for a fair while even after you stop taking the salvia.
If you're new to smoking you might want to try the quid method, works just as well for this purpose.

@Achten, I wouldn't say that the antidepressant effect is anything like the what he'll feel immediately. I find the main effects of salvia quite dysphoric, the antidepressant quality seems quite distinct from this.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
DMT is a way better anti-depressant when it comes to psychedelic drugs.
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I respectfully disagree. DMT is often anti-depressent, but it can easily swing the other way and contribute to anxiety, even with micro-dosing (or *especially* with microdosing). Salvia, in contrast, is consistently mind-clearing and grounding.

Also, in terms of availability, Salvia is much more practical. I am a strong proponent of using Salvia for resolving hidden thought patterns that contribute to anxiety and depression. It really really works.
 
For the OP's purposes, you've got the right idea with low-strength extracts. You don't want to blast off into other worlds. A mere alteration of this reality would suffice.

I've also found that the quid method is a wonderful way to explore your consciousness productively and safely, still keeping the anti-depressant effects, for sure. It takes longer: ~30 min to rehydrate dry leaves, +30 min of chewing, +30 min of coming down. But if you can find the time and space to do it, it's great.

I consider most psychedelics to be a "gamble," in the sense that the experience could take a turn for the worse and take a toll on your mental/emotional stability. However, low-dose Salvia seems to be an exception. I rarely, if ever experience real anxiety on Salvia. Uneasiness, yes. Fear, no, not if you treat the plant with respect.
 
justinsayno said:
A 5x extract nowhere near as powerful as DMT.

Guy asking about 5x at medicinal levels being recomended DMT is like telling a guy who wants to use cocaine for tooth ache to smoke crack

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Doesn't that then depend on the dose? 5x Salvia means nothing in terms of dose.. as DMT means nothing in terms of dose.. What if i was to say; 1mg DMT? Come on.. OP is talking about smoking a powerful drug to = anti-depressant effects.. I'm simply recommending a different drug.. You all seem to be thinking I said: Nah fuck that load a bowl of 100mg DMT and blast off that'll sort you out.. I did no such thing.
 
RhythmSpring said:
Salvia, in contrast, is consistently mind-clearing and grounding.
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Then it is my turn to respectfully disagree. Have you not read the countless reports of people getting little more than confusion, disconcertion, anxiety, panic and even terror?

I think both these drugs are prone to extreme and unstable, chaotic or volatile experiences often happening at high velocity and using them via the smoked / vaporized route for a reliable therapeutic effect seems inappropriate, since the contrast of reliance and volatility is obvious.

Maybe it works for you, but I would not recommend it for this purpose because the chance is so big that it raises more questions than answers, or more disturbance than relief.

Another example of that is that DMT when smoked is a flash of a trip, very compact and jumbled. I have found meaningful experiences that way, but if a much more dilated form of the experience is used instead, like when taken orally activated or when taking an analogue that causes much more protracted effects (psilocin, or even more: 4-AcO-DMT) there is so much more time to take a good look at things and in a more stable - and reliable way - get therapeutic relief and/or spiritual catharsis.

In all these cases the dose should be limited. If the dose is too low, it can take longer for internal processes to proceed and for some things you need some momentum to break through barriers, but when the dose is too high it can not only defeat the purpose but also potentially cause more problems than that it solves.

What I must note though, is that I believe that part of the reason that Salvia causes so many chaotic and wild results is that people are just casually eyeballing it, maybe because of its innoccuous appearance. How many times are people just measuring in 'bowls'?

If you want to use Salvia for things like meditation or therapy I would investigate buccal administration or slow titration with smoking it, much more carefully than the average person is doing. If you want to get your ass kicked on a cosmic scale, that approach certainly works, but otherwise - for therapeutic benefit - not.

My opinion remains that there are many other choices of psychedelics that can be better for this, because they are less extreme.
 
^ I've consumed whole saliva leaf as a tea or just chewing on a fresh leaf or two that was given to me. Because I had already done salvia before the receptors were already built for it, and I found the whole leaf method very therapeutic. It gave me grounded conscientiousness in my own internal world without sending me spinning.

I've smoked salvia from 5x to 40x. Of note is that traditionally it was never taken in these concentrations, people ate the leaves or smoked the leaves plain. I do not enjoy salvia trips at all. There is nothing about them that is cathartic for me. The imagery is random and the body load is awful. In smaller doses I do find it very grounding though. It helped my insomnia initially.

From a more metaphysical perspective, if you lack root chakra, or groundedness, I think salvia is a good entheogen to try. Like, if your depression and anxiety are due to overthinking and being in your head a lot, it might help with that. If it's due to a specific life situation, I dunno. A friend of mine disagrees with me though and found salvia very therapeutic when taken several times a week for months.

As usual, YMMV.
 
@sol
the mind-clearing and grounding effects of salvia, IME, are best acheived from frequent and low doses. They manifest after the main effects of the salvia (which absolutely aren't mind-clearing and grounding) have subsided, it's rather like the after effects of NMDA antagonists...
 
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