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Benzos shooting etizolam? insoluble?

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snugglewitme

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i really want to try this etizolam by shooting it, i have 30mg in a crystally powder form, 99.8% pure.
after sitting in water for 10 minutes, my solution still isnt dissolved.
i know there is a way to shoot it... help
 
Don't inject etizolam, it's a waste of time. It is equally as effective by the oral route.

Etizolam will not dissolve in water. It will dissolve in alcohol, or glycols, but don't inject those. They are liable to cause serious damage if injected too quickly, or over and over again.
 
Even with the correct solvent, it is not at all worth the risks involved. Who knows what you hope to achieve, a rush? euphoria? It ain't happening.

If you are dead set on doing this against all logic and reason, please filter using a 0.2um micron filter. Just using the right solvent (propylene glycol) is not enough.
 
i hear there's a rush from one user on BL who did it; however dangerous it is better to offer advice on how to make it most safe rather than going for the just say no to drugs/iv route. This is an HR site right? benzos are dissolved in PG and shot all the time, what makes etizolam different? people shoot midazolam vials and no one tells them to eat them instead.
 
Midazolam is water soluble - hence why it is safely injected all the time.

Diazepam and the other water-insoluble benzos used to be injected in PG solutions, but only ever by IM because it can cause serious irritation of the veins.
 
I most definitely experienced an unexpected rush from IV etizolam. I've IV'ed Midazolam, along with many others, and in my experiences I've found etizolam to surpass any other benzos when using IV as a MOA. I don't recommend it, but if one is going to attempt to IV etizolam make sure to take all the necessary precautions, which would include using a micron filter and PG as a solvent.
 
higherconciousness said:
I most definitely experienced an unexpected rush from IV etizolam. I've IV'ed Midazolam, along with many others, and in my experiences I've found etizolam to surpass any other benzos when using IV as a MOA. I don't recommend it, but if one is going to attempt to IV etizolam make sure to take all the necessary precautions, which would include using a micron filter and PG as a solvent.
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If you're coming in here claiming to be experienced with IV etizolam, how about instead of glorifying the experience, you post your whole process so we can start addressing the harm reduction concerns. It would be really helpful to others if you could be more specific about how you did it, more specifically than "using a micron and PG as a solvent".

One of many questions one might want to know, is what concentration did you use? Further information about your filtration process would certainly help. What was your micron filter made out of, like what material (PVDF, glass, Nylon, Cellulose, etc)? Did you prefilter something like running it first through a 1.2um or 0.45um micron, and then finally through a 0.2um? Please give others more information how you did what you did, so that less people will be inclined to see your post and think that if they shoot etizolam, that it will give you a rush or whatever.


I have some experience shooting benzodiazepines, and based on my experiences even with midazolam, I am more than skeptical about it being such a glorious experience. For me, IV benzos just made the benzodiazepine's onset come on faster, but nothing more than that. Rush? Not really. It feels no better than using the sublingual ROA and waiting a few minutes for them to be absorbed completely* at already near 90-100% bioavailability.

I don't think that IV benzodiazepines for the most part is any better than an equal sublingual dose T+5 minutes. Shooting the benzo is like, an extremely dangerous/unnecessarily risky way of not being able to wait the first five minutes of an equipotent sublingual dose of benzodiazepines.

*with various rare exceptions such as triazolam, which has a SL BA of ~53%, but sublingual is it's a step up from it's oral BA of ~44%.
 
sekio said:
Midazolam is water soluble - hence why it is safely injected all the time.

Diazepam and the other water-insoluble benzos used to be injected in PG solutions, but only ever by IM because it can cause serious irritation of the veins.
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I've received lorazepam IV, but it's insoluble in water (this was in a medical setting). Could this just be because it was an emergency situation?

But ya, benzos will not give you a rush IV, just instant onset.
 
If you're dead set on shooting a benzo available online, you may consider pyrazolam which is water soluble.
 
tricomb said:
If you're coming in here claiming to be experienced with IV etizolam, how about instead of glorifying the experience, you post your whole process so we can start addressing the harm reduction concerns. It would be really helpful to others if you could be more specific about how you did it, more specifically than "using a micron and PG as a solvent".
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Honestly, micron filtering a nearly pure substance is entirely self explanatory. I will say that concentration would have been helpful, you're right - I've found I've needed much less than you'd expect. I understand why people would IV benzos in certain scenarios and I don't understand why that's one of the stigmas where judgement still flies here.

I would use no more than 20% PG, although you can get 1mg etiz into 1unit ratio of PG pretty easily (shaking in syringe before filter). Be warned, like any needle, these will increase all the bad sides of drug use. I always needed another one later; etizolam is shot acting and to the fullest extent via IV so if you're using for 'legitimate reasons', you'll feel a rebound. I also had to use an unfortunate percent of my oral dose, so depending on your perspective, it may not be worth it. I'd eat 4mg or shoot 2mg. I noticed no rush. At all. Benzos don't rush.

Simple 'don't shoot benzos you're an idiot' should be moderated like anything else of that nature. (I have a thing for double standards.)
 
Most people who've experienced a benzo rush from the IV route don't report it as being particularly enjoyable or prominent, particularly in comparison to other classes of compound taken via IV. I wouldn't do it.

sekio said:
Probably, yeah.
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Actually, in the US, IV lorazepam is the 'go-to' rapid acting anxiolytic or sedative for in-patient clinical settings. It looks like lorazepam is quite insoluble in both water and lipids, making me wonder about the ins and outs about preparation for injection.

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^Yeah, I wonder how they get it into solution due to it being water and fat insoluble...

Lorazepam is one of the most commonly used drugs for a patient in a state of anxiety, trauma, etc. If you've ever spent time in a hospital / ER you hear it all the time. Push 4mg Ativan STAT! Especially people coming in from automobile accidents.

m060mm said:
Simple 'don't shoot benzos you're an idiot' should be moderated like anything else of that nature. (I have a thing for double standards.)
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I didn't find anyone saying anything else of that nature in this thread.....?
 
^Glorifying? I clearly stated I don't recommend it and if one were to do it, use a micron filter and PG diluted with water. Sorry if I didn't take it step by step, but please don't get on me because I was too vague with my one post. If anyone is interested in the whole process just please PM me


It's no heroin rush, but it does indeed produce a subtle, pleasant rush.
 
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tricomb said:
Lorazepam is one of the most commonly used drugs for a patient in a state of anxiety, trauma, etc. If you've ever spent time in a hospital / ER you hear it all the time. Push 4mg Ativan STAT! Especially people coming in from automobile accidents.
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Yeah this is absolutely true. Over the last 5 years lorazepam has replaced diazepam as first-line treatment in North America in medical settings.

My experience with IV benzodiazepines, I would say the onset is faster, and you do tend to feel slightly more sedated than when taking them orally. I'm talking an IV drip though done in a hospital, not a dangerous IV preparation made at home.
 
tricomb said:
^Yeah, I wonder how they get it into solution due to it being water and fat insoluble...

Lorazepam is one of the most commonly used drugs for a patient in a state of anxiety, trauma, etc. If you've ever spent time in a hospital / ER you hear it all the time. Push 4mg Ativan STAT! Especially people coming in from automobile accidents.


I didn't find anyone saying anything else of that nature in this thread.....?
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Top left column.
http://www.west-ward.com/images/files/package/Ativan PI.pdf
 
I wonder how they get it into solution due to it being water and fat insoluble...
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Lorazepam is fat soluble (it is rare to find a compound that is soluble in neither and is still a drug).

Loraz for IV is dissolved in a mix of propylene glycol and polyethylene glycol, like other benzos.
Lorazepam is a nearly white powder almost insoluble in water. Each mL of sterile injection contains either 2.0 or 4.0 mg of lorazepam, 0.18 mL polyethylene glycol 400 in propylene glycol with 2.0% benzyl alcohol as preservative.
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I've heard of people plugging etizolam in coconut oil.

I don't get the need to IV etizolam though; I doubt it would give you much of a "rush"-I did the same with diazepam years ago, and was unimpressed. Is it a needle thing; I mean are you hooked on the act of injecting?
 
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