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How long does opiate withdrawl last for infrequent users?

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Yesterday I took 15mg of Vicodin and some codeine (I don't remember how much) I have little to no opiate tolerance as I don't use them often. All day I have been experiencing fatigue and every muscle and bone in my body aches. I don't normally have withdrawl symptoms when I take opiates and I was wondering if anyone had an idea how long this will last
 
well, how frequently do you take opiates? how much codeine did you take? i think you probably are suffering from taking a little too much, not withdrawals as you'd be shitting everywhere. if it is withdrawal, it will be gone by tomorrow i reckon, and if its because you took too much, get some proper healthy sleep and you'll be fine.
 
I find that every time I get withdrawals these days it doesn't really matter if I was using every day or not when it comes to length, it does however increase severity if you were. If you just started experiencing symptoms, stop immediately, take the pain before it gets worse. It happens quickly once you start feeling it, it will get alot worse each day. At least for me who has been through withdrawal several times. I guess 7-14 days of discomfort is to be expected.
 
I'm confused, if you take opioids "infrequently" you don't get withdrawals. Withdrawal symptoms are when your take opioids frequently and your brain and body become physically dependent on them to function normally, causing awful symptoms if you stop taking them. It sounds like you are just talking about an opioid "hangover". Which shouldn't last very long. Unless you mean you have been taking opioids on a regular basis (normally every day) for a significant period of time?

Toz - Once you've been dependent on them it's a lot easier to get withdrawals in the future from much less use than it would take for someone who has never been dependent before.
 
Well i qualify. I did H twice, binged 1g over 2-3 days. It was a hell of of a thousand small frustrations that add up to insanity and pain. I can take feeling sick, depressed, anxious.

But this shit is something else. Its makes you hate every second tortured by a million small gripes (like aching teeth, painful swallowing, wierd tasting food, uncomfortable skin, a body that hates you and lets you know it all day, like a million annoying flies buzzing in your head, driving you to insanity.

Lasts exactly 4 days for me, and is gone when you awake the morning of the 5th, a Friday. <snip> to hell with opiate withdrawals, screw that demonic torture...
 
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If you barely ever take opiates it's extremely unlikely you're experiencing withdrawals - you're probably just hungover from them. The first times I took opiates I would almost be stuck in bed with nausea & aches the whole day after.
 
Interesting. Yes, i did consider them as some form of minor withdrawals due to the number of consecutive days used, 3 days and i was awake and really high permanently, and not the proper withdrawals you hear about, which is obviously different. I made a detailed trip report about them to get feedback on this query, but didn't get a response.

In any event it should be relevant to the OP since its really shit and could occur, if the proper one does not.

The duration of 4 days makes me think its more then a hangover.

I can assure you also it was minor only in comparison to the main one (which must be unthinkable in comparison) but very much major in hating my life. Also twice it happened consistently in effect and time.

Very odd effects though, i can say for sure i was not sick or something instead. It was a very unique and deliberate response with aspects, as i detail in my trip report, that i cant relate to any form of illness and didnt even know could happen to a person. Wierd shit that felt like it was designed for maximum human suffering.

I did feel however that it was somehow appropriate for binging on a lot of H without rest or coming down over 3 days, as a total newb to any other opiate ever. I believe doing that without consequence would be a unlikely fantasy.

Also, i can confirm that these symptoms started appearing when still high on day 3, as things where coming to an end. As if the drug itself was fucking me up and its not all a withdrawal response? This would be clear as an illness or something where it not for the weird symptoms, like a very specific attack on my mouth, throat, food pipe, teeth, mouth, everything there.

But i didnt eat it and my nose was problem free. Do opiates cause some type of unhealthy state or deficiency or immune response thats as powerful as this was perhaps?

It felt like an immune response and my body was attacking me but unlike any allergic reaction i am familiar with either.
 
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You don't get withdrawals from a single days use of opiates. You're just either possibly hungover or maybe starting to get sick.
 
yeah definitely not withdrawals if you have no previous opiate addiction. 3 days on morphine and ill be sick as fuck if i stop on the fourth day even after 4-5 months now since i've quit my daily opiate habit. Even codeine for 3 days and ill get some light symptoms, like aching bones and RLS. but for someone completely opiate naive, it will take at least couple of weeks of daily use to notice any real withdrawal.

blight: no idea why that happened to you, i've gone on a few hydromorphone binges for up to a week at a time and had no hangover whatsoever, nor any withdrawal symptoms (before i actually became dependent on opiates). maybe it was just something in the H, as it could be cut with anything really.
 
Hmm, i guess its a blessing in disguise then. Else id be on it now instead. Even different sources and type. tar and nice powder did the same...
 
^blight: The fact that you were already taking kratom, an opioid, could have made you more prone to withdrawals. I have some thoughts on the stuff you mentioned in your trip report, but I'll have to reply tomorrow as I must get to bed :)
 
I know many very infrequent opioid users that experience rebound symptoms (in the same sense that single time benzodiazepine users get rebound symptoms) which are much milder than withdrawal but still noticeable.

They usually pass after a day, nevertheless, this should serve as a taste for you of what opioid withdrawal feels like.
 
Ahh yes, forgot about that, though the other time it occurred without pre Kratom usage however i do think it was less severe which is why i did it again most likely... And appreciate the report response as well!

This may also be a good place to mention that I did take Seroquel that night once the drug had left my system for a while supposedly and its also as close to death i have ever felt, not with the reported risks of unconciousness but with near impossible unsustainable fast heartrate for 10 minutes or so.

For some magical reason or gift from god, 10 minutes was all it took before something changes and resolves the problem, which is totally strange since you would expect the duration of the Seroquel to be the accurate figure in which case i would be dead, prob in only 15 minutes or so, and why i expected as much at the time.

I even ended up choosing death and waiting over emergency response so my mother wouldnt know what i did. I should perhaps reevaluate this for future since i guess she would know but id just be dead instead, which still might be better after all lol.

And i even did this twice, since for some reason i forgot or blocked out the first time which tormented me more the second time around.

Now if somebody could explain the reasons for this reaction, i would be very very interested since its not mentioned anywhere, and i would like to explain my closed callss, at least in some small way that makes sense. I also made a post about it as well with no response. I sense a theme :-)

Thank god i was told here not to take it on the drug itself, when about to do so the first time around. These two dont like eachother at all which confounds me since Seroquel is my magic pill for sleep, no matter what, but not in the case of opiates, i dont like this at all.
 
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Prolonged Q-T intervals, tachycardia, palpitations, and panic-attacks are common side-effects of quetiapine.
 
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OK, but its usually a dream normally, i dont get any bad side effects, but suddenly with H out of the system mostly already as the only cause, twice consistently, this happens.

Also I am very familiar with the worst of the worst panic attacks, stim bullshit, years of anxiety, paranoia, comedowns etc.
Is there any likely condition that is heartrate only without presenting mumurs, skips or other indicators as the concern maybe?

But this heart reaction was something else entirely. Its far worse and different then any of the other things above.
I honestly hardly spare a second thought for fast heartbeats on regular panic attacks, high dose stims, comedowns. In fact i care to little about this shit and my heath in general doing high doses in my weak physical condition is probably really stupid. So i guess when something gets my attention and fear, its a real concern.

The thing is, no other symptoms either, just the fastest heartbeat ever thought possible, without pulpitations, skips or any other wierdness.

No inherent panic whatsoever, no influence on my opinion or state of mind besides the simple fast heartbeat. Not a single other symptom, not even an expected physical sensation of fatigue or exertion i might have expected due to the heart.

I have also just posted elsewhere using Seroquel stupidly within extreme meth comedown panic and fighting unconsciousness convinced of dying, and that worse, but only with SNS help. This other thing was real fear with im certain real reasons.

Yet still my fear and terror and certainty of genuine peril was worse then any panic attack, and it was all real, created without any anxiety or help on its way.

It sounds silly on paper, but thats the point of my concern. Simply a fast heartbeat caused this, there must be a reason or indicator that i somehow new something was different, wrong, not like the other stuff thats so different.

I dont know really, perhaps the lack of any other symptoms was what terrified me, but still thinking clearly without cloudy anxiety, the facts made it clear it was not sustainable for very long at all, for my personal state.

It was far faster then when i receive regular warnings on my heartrate at the gym since im an unhealthy, slightly overweight sedentary fucker, in fact all i do every day is walk to make coffee or take a piss, working from home, lying on my bed all day and night.

I even use big cups to reduce repeat trips. Lazy as humanly possible and still remain alive. So that heart-rate would have destroyed my lazy weak diseased heart in no time flat i am certain. Ok im not obsese, just a slight beer belly but i still dont move much at all and remain decent sized only cause i dont eat shit, or more then needed. Its 80% diet after all, gyms are for the uninformed lol.

Im not even sure what could happen, but im sure it doesnt have the option to get tired and relax if needed and would fucking go until it explodes if necessary if told to by some trusted function that was comprised at the time. I even checked if i could sense the possible cause of low BP and i could not. I however suspect this the most due to BP drops from Seroquel and H, but i know those symptoms intimately and they did not present here in other ways.

Anyways, im not getting worked up or anything, im just high and going into alot of detail, with the stims sharp tone and enthusiasm. Im not making it sound more then it was however just because im high. Im a pro after all.

Anyways, im taking precautions to exercise the heart to strengthen it for any future trials with regular high dose meth use, i challenge any weak gym routine or real exercise to compete with my routine of consistent endurance training over multiple days in harsh conditions and under stress with the added benefit of appetite control to keep the facilities in prime condition and free of clutter.

Its like army bootcamp level training for the troops while the general enjoys his high and does as little as possible laughing at all the people who still think hard work and perseverance is what gets results.

Laziness is what gets results, its not a weakness, its a core concept to live by that breeds constant innovation and maximum efficiency due also to an effective method of motivation built in to ensure results. Which is being as lazy as possible of course like why i work 4 hours a week from home and get paid tons for it.

Anyways, im mostly joking and talking shit again as usual, mostly. Im done preaching now, thank god, fukin stim delusions of unique insights lol. The price i pay for a healthy heart i guess...

Thanks for any feedback on the relevant aspects of this post guys, seriously, just ignore the clutter.
 
^ I assure you that you're not alone. Me, other posters on this forum and other forums, and people in real life have reported the exact same side-effect, non-stop intense tachycardia. This is due to quetiapine's adrenergic-blockade effect which causes reflex/rebound tachycardia, which in some cases alpha-blockers are prescribed for.

In my honest opinion, this is one of the worst and dirtiest drugs in the market and AstraZeneca are a criminal organization attempting to market this drug for every indication they possibly can in order to maximize sales. If you don't need it as an anti-psychotic then I urge to ditch it as soon as possible.
 
^^ Ok this is good then thank you! I was unclear on tachycardia it seems. I will look into this further, thanks man.

It seems pretty useful and problem free usually, but i got to admit, i cant be right where everybody else is wrong in this cause. Prob just got lucky besides this specific event.

I would however honestly miss the brutally efficient and reliable sleep benefits and obviously the similarly efficient ease at which it shuts down the strongest stim and initiates sleep faster then you could ever hope for.
 
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^ If some doctors believe that the positives outweigh the negatives in anti-psychotic treatment for schizophrenics (cardiovascular issues, and diabetes especially), then the same can only apply if its being used for any other softer indication.
 
yeah jesus christ seroquel is a terrible drug, sometimes nothing else knocks me out tho. took 50mg last night, woke up after having terrible nightmares with a huge headache, took 24mg ephedrine to try and keep myself awake but ended up falling back asleep for a total of 13 hours, fucking waste of my day and every time i take it i want to kill myself afterwards. Nothing else knocks me out though, not even zopiclone and etizolam along with benadryl, i hate my Dr. I use it to knock my ass out after a strong psych trip and it works well but the next day is awful, the sleep is awful as well. I'm prescribed seroquel for anxiety of all things and it fucking causes anxiety.
 
while i agree that seroquel has many negative side effects attached to it, its use in treating schizophrenia in some patients is unrivalled and unmatched, as it is usually augmented with other drugs in order to counteract the tachycardia that may occur or whatnot. for some of course it is not for them, but for people with real disorders that need this medication it is a godsend. while i agree that their advertising over in the states and frankly, all advertising on prescription meds not just this, is disgusting and should be banned it's positives can't be denied. i was prescribed it myself at 25mg to sleep at night and i absolutely hated the next day lingering effects of not being able to feel anything at all emotionally, many share the same problem, but boy did it knock me out and get me to sleep when i really suffered from insomnia. the best part is that it isn't addictive, and the side effects usually wear off towards the end of the morning/mid afternoon. frankly it's better than most benzos (apart from nitrazepam, that stuff rocks my socks every time).

like robo says, it's also the best for killing a psych trip or amphetamine binge straight at its teeth and knocking the individual out.
 
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