Stimulants Does anyone only do meth for only 1 day and actually stop? Is this use normal ?

[ledlight]

Hi Everyone,

I was just wondering how many people actually use meth for only 1 day (or one dose) and stop for the night. I have a friend that has never done meth for just 1 day and stopped - is that how it is for everyone? or is my friend heading down the wrong road fast then most people? They have only used meth 4 times - but those 4 times add up to quite a few days over a short time period.

1st time: 2 months ago (Nov). They did it for 3 days (no sleep). The comedown was terrible they said.

2nd time: 2 days after the 1st time (Nov). They did it for 4 days. They said the comedown was terrible.

3rd time: Last month (Dec) -They did it for 6 days.... They slept for maybe 4 hours around day 4 -their significant other found them on the couch downstairs and asked what they were doing . They were very confused and didn't know. They had no memory of going downstairs to the couch they were on and they were wearing clothes that were in a suitcase that was down there - they blacked out obviously had gone downstairs, found the suitcase, changed and then passed out on the couch.....That's a whole diff story though. They said comedown was terrible.

4 time: 6 days ago (Jan 1st): They did it for 6 days. Well actually they said they did it for 5 days and then passed out for the night and when they woke up they were by themselves (their friend had just passed out a couple hours before so their was no way that person was getting up - which left my friend alone. They said they felt terrible, stuck in an emotional hell. They found the pipes used for the last 6 days and smoked the residue out of them, (which is something they said they would never do because that was is what 'addicted' people would do), making it day 6. They know that all they did was push back the inevitable terrible feelings, they were just hoping by then they wouldn't be alone by then.

I'm concerned for my friend because of how many days in a row they use it for when they do it. They have never done it for just 1 day and called it a night.. everytime they have done it they would smoke everything they had. They just assumed this is normal use I guess.

My friend knows meth is addictive and even knows people that had meth ruin their lives, but my friend says that it won't happen to them and that they would just stop if it became a problem.

Am I worrying about my friend for nothing? Is this the "normal" use of meth. Binge a couple (few) days and then stop for a few weeks/months). Or is this fasttracking down the wrong road? I have heard of people that use meth just once and a while and it never becomes a problem. I guess before my friend ever did meth I always just assumed it was like most other drugs and you just did it for the night eventually passed out and that was it. I always thought the people you heard about staying awake for DAYS were only the addicted people - this is why my friends use is so confusing.

 

[Jesusgreen]

If he's spacing his usage out then it doesn't seem like he's on the path to addiction yet, but it's worth warning him that staying up that long can put a nasty strain on your heart, especially when already on stimulants, while a healthy individual can go through lots of these long periods of staying awake, it's not the safest and at the very least it's going to cause a lot of sleep debt that'll have to be worked off, at worst you could have a heart attack and keel over dead.

Binging is pretty much the norm with a compulsive stimulant like Methamphetamine, it's very hard to just stop after one or two doses and most users go about redosing over a "session" which can last anywhere from half a day to around a week, sometimes there'll be periods of sleep in between, either by choice or by their body simply giving up and forcing sleep on them, sometimes there wont be.

Your friend isn't likely to be addicted if he can still space his use out, but he's certainly abusing the substance and you should warn him about the dangers of staying up so long particularly on a strong stimulant with no food and sleep. It's also important to remember that while he might not be addicted now, if he continues his use this way it could quickly lead to a regular habit.

 

[onetwonine]

I can't. Honestly, I kinda like the place meth takes me after about a good 40 hours of being up. It's my favorite part of using meth other than the initial rush. I'll rip a point around that 40 hour mark, everything has a touch of craziness to it. I'll just find some paper and start writing the most ludicrously amazing things (at least the seem that way at the time).

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

A lot of people are able to space out and "control" their drug use in the beginning.. this however, can often lull you into a false sense of security. Just because you were able to pull it off for a little while.. doesn't mean your going to continue to exercise such restraint, in fact.. it's often times quite the opposite. When dealing with a drug as addictive as meth, where the compulsion to re-dose is so strong, it can be very hard to show some self control. I can't say whether your friend is going to become a full blown addict or not...but just keep in mind that serious addictions aren't born over night. They are usually a product of time, one decision leading to the next, and will power slowly evaporating.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

A lot of people are able to space out and "control" their drug use in the beginning.. this however, can often lull you into a false sense of security. Just because you were able to pull it off for a little while.. doesn't mean your going to continue to exercise such restraint, in fact.. it's often times quite the opposite. When dealing with a drug as addictive as meth, where the compulsion to re-dose is so strong, it can be very hard to show some self control. I can't say whether your friend is going to become a full blown addict or not...but just keep in mind that serious addictions aren't born over night. They are usually a product of time, one decision leading to the next, and will power slowly evaporating.

^I second this.

 

[tabsandcaps]

A lot of people are able to space out and "control" their drug use in the beginning.. this however, can often lull you into a false sense of security. Just because you were able to pull it off for a little while.. doesn't mean your going to continue to exercise such restraint, in fact.. it's often times quite the opposite. When dealing with a drug as addictive as meth, where the compulsion to re-dose is so strong, it can be very hard to show some self control. I can't say whether your friend is going to become a full blown addict or not...but just keep in mind that serious addictions aren't born over night. They are usually a product of time, one decision leading to the next, and will power slowly evaporating.

This is true, one thing I find about meth is it comes with extremely fiendish qualities, the urge to redose is insanely high, It's good that he spaces it out and isn't using every day but like people are saying addicts don't start out on an every day basis, it takes time. Just keep an eye on your friend. Smoking it is alot more addicting than doing lines due to how much you end up doing throughout the night, raising tolerance faster, leading to worse and worse withdrawal/comedown effects further increasing the urge to want to get high again.

If your friend likes stims he should give coke a try?
Cleaner and less addicting, i'm able to buy a gram of coke, shoot a bunch of it and do lines, still get to sleep usually depending on the time I start and end and even if I can't sleep that night i'm not up for 2+ days unable to eat or anything, and the next morning the comedown isn't too bad at all.

But if he'd rather stick to meth, Yeah day binges are "normal" for meth use and doesn't mean you're "addicted". Although addiction is a loose word. You could have a comedown and feel in your mind that you really need to do it to get rid of the negative effects but you have no real hard withdrawal symptoms, but sometimes the mental part is what gets you, especially since meth can make you dillusional about your problem and throw you in denial. I knew a friend who when he had no money and couldn't do it he would just sit home depressed contemplating ways he could get money fast, then the next day when he had money he would say he was rewarding himself for taking a break from it. In his head it was completely justifiable.

Just make sure your friend is careful and is honest with himself about his usage.
Take care.

 

[lightforce]

I just do maybe one or two doses a day and then stop and then sleep and then do the same thing the next day. But I decided to go on a bit of a bender probably doing .4g to myself in about 3 days. I would usually smoke it but decided to try plugging. Bad decision. I can see why people IV drugs, the feeling you get is pretty incredible. Smooth high like smoking but way more energizing/rushy. I took my last dose (and the last of my supply, thank god) last night around 6. Didn't sleep all night last night and the night before probably only got 4 hours sleep. Hearts pounding a bit, blood pressure seems high and a bit uncomfortable. Hopefully won't feel too crappy after sleeping tonight. I've never done this much but I have used for 3 days in a row but with sleep.

I'm lucky I don't have any dealers numbers and my friends that I hang with won't really hook me up cause they hate it. Only time I get it is when I'm at a club and someone randomly offers it too me.

 

[blight12]

As a relatively new user of meth for 9 months, i can say that the easiest way to manage dosage, binge duration, weekly intake and therefore much if not all of the impact it has on many factors of your life is by carefully planning the initial purchase/starting amount and then carefully managing how many days you spread that across.

I would usually buy X amount once a week and it would last over 3 days, mostly weekend, consistently. I know for a fact that if for whatever reason I was forced to obtain higher quantities of stock per purchase it would mean more days, more high, more hell and bad things.

After regularly struggling with dosing to high by generally trying to resist anything close to daily use with higher dose over fewer days (you or your friend will obviously want to avoid anything near daily use if you value your futures).

I would say as an example, my perfect usage scenario would be the ability to purchase about 300mg (instead of the dangerous sold minimums of 1g or 500mg) of good quality crystal on a friday evening and splitting that total across evenly spread doses from that friday evening to sunday evening.

Thats about the max time imo a sleepless binge can continue for while staying mostly positive and successful at which point the product is finished as planned.

For me at least i never feel the need to purchase more to redose meth, ever, like i did with coke long ago, and at this point I will usually feel content with how it went overall and will be looking forward to some sanity and normality and you then comedown in your preferred way without much struggle.
For me i take a Seroquel, sleep like a baby and wake up feeling great and ready for work on Monday.

Unfortunately I can only get 500mg or 1g per order and that results in far less then ideal results.

Of course you can try learn to be able to stop the binge and comedown with product still remaining in your possession if you cant get smaller amounts, but that is exponentially more difficult then simply running out and having no choice but to accept it, and i honestly never even bothered to try it.

I would always rather take far bigger doses and deal with far more shit like health issues and negative side effects instead of trying to stop before you finish it and then try manage additional doses per week from any remaining product. So i took the hit with higher doses to avoid more usage days per week, functional usage and all the related risks and addiction potential.

So, ease of use and the likleyhood of success are greatly improved by planning your starting dosage per person. Get that right and its (relatively) easy to manage usage overall. Get creative with planning this out and avoiding willpower struggles by replacing them with reducing the need for choices to expected results and the inevitable end you cannot change. It works well.

In comparison the most dangerous scenario i could imagine would be bulk or larger purchases. It would be the end of me.

Go well.

 

[aredmosquito]

If I had access to it these days, I would be in the ground. I have never been able to just do it one night, I would do my entire supply, then get money and do some more. I would just do meth for four or five days at a time and wouldn't sleep until I knocked back some benzos because my heart felt like it was going to explode. Comedowns were absolute hell. Just tell your friend to be honest with himself about it, it's a very hard drug to keep control over.

 

[motiv311]

When I started, and whenever I've done meth since... I am usually sleeping, eating, and its only for a day or two

 

[nogood]

coke doesnt beat meth for the high as i have heard ive done lots of coke and ya it does have a bit of feinding to it but what i have always done to combat that whole feeling of wanting more with whippits-the hippie crack and rip a bowl and go to sleep and never touch it for months again so i can get that first time feeling once again haha let ur tolerance die is the best practice with these

 

[blight12]

I can't. Honestly, I kinda like the place meth takes me after about a good 40 hours of being up. It's my favorite part of using meth other than the initial rush. I'll rip a point around that 40 hour mark, everything has a touch of craziness to it. I'll just find some paper and start writing the most ludicrously amazing things (at least the seem that way at the time).

Question. I can appreciate the enjoyable crazyness, visuals, audio wiedness etc at those points but i can never get past into day 4 simply due to the horrible physical effects like vasoconstriction freezing and pain in the extremities but the worst thing of all that I hate with a passion is the sweating discomfort and when combined with enhanced smell results in a hideous combination of smell like some diseased camel has shat and pissed all over my face and my room. I need to end things then or i start hating myself for smelling like death and decay and thoughts tend to turn down a dark road

Even if i eat, hydrate and take vitamins perfectly I still self destruct on day 4 physically.

Any suggestions to maintaining a functional physical state up to that point, for safety reasons?

I has always saddened me since i felt i had much more manageable sanity available in reserve to go further and see how much more interesting the pre psycho crazyness gets and maybe even meet some shadow people friends to share some stories with.

I did try to speed up the process but for the record even taking insane dosages doesnt seem to initiate the desired pre psycho state. It seems the lack of sleep is a major requirement, much less then more dosage, for me at least.

But alas my lazy overweight middle aged sedentary body cant even deal with some basic heavy stims and more then 3 nights with no sleep. Curses.

I know now the above ambitions are silly and dangerous and its all for the best, but i still often wonder about the mysteries and wonders I might have encountered had i succeeded to get that far.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

If your friend likes stims he should give coke a try?
Cleaner and less addicting, i'm able to buy a gram of coke, shoot a bunch of it and do lines, still get to sleep usually depending on the time I start and end and even if I can't sleep that night i'm not up for 2+ days unable to eat or anything, and the next morning the comedown isn't too bad at all.

I do not agree with this. Everyone is different I guess, so YMMV, but I think the comedown and fiending from coke are even worse. And I don't see how it's "cleaner", coke is usually one of the most heavily cut drugs.

 

[tabsandcaps]

I do not agree with this. Everyone is different I guess, so YMMV, but I think the comedown and fiending from coke are even worse. And I don't see how it's "cleaner", coke is usually one of the most heavily cut drugs.

I guess it depends on where you get it and the purity, But you're going to argue crystal meth which is manufactured in a lab, which has pretty much everything under the sink in it, is just as clean as cocaine, which may have a little baking soda. ( I live in Canada and the worst coke I've gotten was just too much baking soda) And as for the comedowns you need a new dealer for real, I can do a line of coke in the morning to wake me up and when it wears its a minor annoyance for maybe 30 minutes and then it's gone, sometimes I don't even get the annoying feeling. Coke comedown has nothing on the meth comedown.

It could be every person is different, but all my friends would agree to this too, I think you've been getting bad coke.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I guess it depends on where you get it and the purity, But you're going to argue crystal meth which is manufactured in a lab, which has pretty much everything under the sink in it, is just as clean as cocaine, which may have a little baking soda. ( I live in Canada and the worst coke I've gotten was just too much baking soda) And as for the comedowns you need a new dealer for real, I can do a line of coke in the morning to wake me up and when it wears its a minor annoyance for maybe 30 minutes and then it's gone, sometimes I don't even get the annoying feeling. Coke comedown has nothing on the meth comedown.

It could be every person is different, but all my friends would agree to this too, I think you've been getting bad coke.

I live in Canada too, I've had great quality coke and terrible coke. I def think it's frequently cut with more than just baking soda. I think the effects/side effects/comedown/addictiveness do vary a lot from person to person. I'm not saying meth is better or cleaner than coke, just that I don't agree than coke is necessarily any better or cleaner than meth or that it would be a good idea for the person to switch to coke . (Especially if you are talking about IV - you did say "shoot", but that's a whole separate issue since I don't think the OP's friend is injecting so not really relevant to them). Maybe people are more likely to stay up multiple days doing meth than coke, but IMO that's because the side effects/comedown of coke are often worse, along with situational factors, although I've definitely seen people significantly sleep deprived on coke and being extremely crazy. Another factor is if you are comparing the same ROAs or different ROAs, like smoking meth vs smoking crack, or what?

I would hazard a guess that there are people on this forum who agree with me about coke .

 

[newbiecodone]

dude that is not normal.I do meth one or two times a year on special ocassions and I am devastated on the other the day so I dont even tink about getting another dose I think your friends are on a path to meth adiction.

 

[tricomb]

It's pretty rare overall, although yes, I know A VERY SMALL MINORITY who use meth only once a month, some who use only a few times a year, some who only use a few times a month, and some who use it only once a year. They are a vast minority, most do not have their self control, a rather common effect surely the result of street drugs being unregulated and especially with crystal methamphetamine, it's quite literally an epidemic by many peoples standards because a VERY potent drug is available in VERY high quality for CHEAP prices, which has proven to be a recipe for disaster for many.


I use my prescribed methamphetamine (I don't use crystal) therapeutically from time to time, sometimes a couple times a week, sometimes a couple times a month, and I'm very careful about my use, I go above and beyond. As I just mentioned in another thread, I'm going to copy and paste some of the many steps I take to ensure long-term health...:

My two cents, pharmaceutical d-methamphetamine is something I enjoy it very much since it produces the most desired effects with the least amount of side effects out of all medications prescribed for similar therapeutic reasons.

In it's pharmaceutical pure-dextro isomer formulation, it's incredible therapeutic value can only be appreciated when the drug is treated with the utmost respect and responsibility.

-Keep doses well under 15-30mg (the dextro meth isomer found in the pharmaceutical formulation is twice as potent as the racemic street 'crystal' meth) while taking extra measures to prevent neurotoxicity (as covered in more depth in Advanced Drug Discussion).

It's very important to keep your dosing low, and to take extra precautions to maintain optimum sanity...
-this means... sleeping every night

-maintaining hydration (2-5 Liters of water per day depending on your BMI)

-extra hygiene (I recommend that you shower before you go to bed, the warmth of the water is soothing and will help you when coming down before attempting to sleep...)

-nutrition....THIS MEANS HEALTHY FOOD. The do-not-eat-list includes: No hot pockets or soda or chips, no HFCS, corn syrup, saturated and trans fat, hydrogenated oils, artificial sweeteners, excessive sodium, PROCESSED FOODS.


-supplementation of electrolytes, drink gatorade/pedialyte, not just water... it's even more important that you go out of your way to be safe and responsible with your amphetamine use.... especially if you are abusing them instead of using them therapeutically.

-If you regularly use amphetamines, invest in 300mg Chelated Magnesium capsules.

-Take a complete multivitamin (when in doubt, take two)

-Take 2000IU (usually 2 gelcaps) of vitamin D
(NOTE: Magnesium should be taken with vitamin D)

-Take 3 Tablespoons or 3 grams of raw unrefined non-processed virgin coconut oil, taken orally to promote GI health

-Wash down these vitamins with a tall (8 oz or 240mL) glass of milk, warmed if you like. The milk should help the vitamins digest in addition to help get you tired and ready for bed, sleep is vital and is totally and completely non-negotiable. If you use stimulants without sleeping properly and taking proper care of your body, you WILL suffer the consequences, quite unnecessarily when all one needs to do is spend some time researching involving the safe use of the chemicals we all choose to put in our bodies....

*NOTE* Amphetamines metabolism is heavily influenced by urinary pH levels.... so Milk and more alkaline environments in general make amphetamines potentiated and take longer for your body to eliminate, and the opposite/inverse is true also. If you have an acidic, low pH GI tract, then it will metabolize/eliminate amphetamines faster, and can make them less effective, so stuff like orange juice (being acidic / of low pH) weakens the experience, and conversely, a bit of baking soda will drastically potentiate the amphetamines, so be very careful.

 

[jess046]

Great post above me, pretty comprehensive.

To answer the original question, yes, it is definitely possible- that's the only way I do it. I've done a couple of days in a row with a nap in-between and it fucking blows. The comedown isn't worth pushing the high another day. I'm never sad when I do my last line, because I know I'll do it again soon and have another great night. You put everything in jeopardy if you start to think differently and just chase the high all the time. meth is a great drug, but needs to be respected.

I find I get to a point where it's 11am, I've been high over 12 hours and it's not that much fun anymore. Never get the urge to redose by that point. Usually I've consumed around 2 points. I might sit down and have a philosophical chat with my boyfriend, a stranger, whoever, and then around the afternoon it's time to lie down and have a rest. Sleep is probably not going to be possible, but just resting your body is important. At some point some feisty sex is good to distract yourself. I cannot understand at all how anybody could do more at this point. I am so exhausted, my gums are almost bleeding, I still feel good inside and content, but the physical effects are undeniable. The idea of doing more is ludicrous to me. All I can think is fuck, it's Sunday, I got shit to do tomorrow so let's get this comedown out of the way! The only time I ever did was when I had a nap, refreshed and did it again late the next night and the comedown was twice as bad. There's a point where you just feel dirty - and that's when you stop thinking about partying on, sit down, relax, have a drink of water, talk to your mates, do an assignment, watch tv- whatever, it's all still incredibly fun. But you need to know when to relax. And 12+, with 3 points probably being the max for a pretty big night, that seems to work. But the comedown still sucks and you have to put up with the physical side effects as the drug wares off.

And that can almost be worst than the high, but if you're brave enough and trust your instincts in regards to anxiety, or have a reliable supply of benzos than it is usually okay after a day or two. And still worth it, I believe.

Coconut water is great for the comedown part, I drink half a litre to get some electrolytes back. Usually can't eat until the next night, except maybe a banana which is still good. Forcing yourself to eat is probably not the wisest idea because you'll probably just vomit or feel worse. I just wait until my stomach is ready for food, otherwise liquids, particularly drinks with calories to combat the stress you've put your body under. And a delicious, nutrient dense meal the next night is an absolute must (but don't plan on cooking). Alcohol is good when you're on the high to keep up your carbs, especially beer, and keeps any anxiety at bay. Vitamin C is good to take once you've reached the end of the high, as you will come down quicker. And magnesium supplements are a must, particularly for muscle spasms, tolerance and general health.

I'm sick of people saying once you try meth you're in it for life. That's bull-shit, it's a drug like any other, and I honestly cannot comprehend how anybody with some kind of life however average it is could contemplate using this stuff in large amounts everyday, unless they were trying to kill themselves. It just isn't fun after the first night. I don't get the meth-binge culture at all, except during the first night I'll redose every couple of hours. I can see people using it every other day in small doses for work, but I usually just try and work that in with my partying - party for 6 hours or so, go home and do an assignment, it's a student's dream!

But most 'students' probably don't have the balls to try meth after all the media garbage surrounding it.

 

[Crashing]

Meth is a drug that is used to the last drop. For that reason i buy small quantities on occasion. Usually .5 grams, because I know i will continue to smoke it until it's gone which is about 3-5 days depending on my schedule. It's got a very high reinforcement and is very addicting. Here's some food for thought - Meth is easily my favorite drug but i've only consumed maybe around 3 grams in my life, whereas opiates took me under for 4 years at least and i don't even really enjoy the opiate high much. Addiction is complex.

 

[jess046]

See, I completely disagree. Maybe my brain is wired differently to everybody else's, but if I take too much I just feel shit anyway, so it's better to take the right dose. I just don't see how people can go through amounts like a gram. Perhaps half if you're really keen, but anything more and I think it would just make me sick. meth is so potent why waste your money/health?

I don't get any reinforcement once I've passed the 12+ mark. No matter how much more i take I will not get back to the good stage, even an adequate stage, without time and rest. You just feel stimulated, but none of the good feelings because your brain is depleted. So you're left over-stimulated, exhausted, dehydrated, anxious and paranoid? Who the fuck wants to feel like that and pay for it? sure, you might try a redose and realise very quickly you don't feel much better. But how is that reinforcing somebody to use it to the last drop? That reinforces to me that it's time to go to bed and save the dope for next week when I can enjoy it.

I don't get it. Smoking is more addictive, true, but even when I've smoked meth I've never had the desire to keep going once I have a good high.