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Codeine & CWE Megathread: Version II - [insert witty title]

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pinkanga said:
Interesting Sust.... I will give it a try next time. We actually have a water dispenser at home so Ill give that a try. We also have a water filter that connects to the regular tap which is supposed to filter out all the shit from tap water and reduce its alkalinity (apparently most water, even bottled water has a high alkaline value and that can be bad for cancer.... people in my house are on a health trip atm.... low sugar, low alkaline water etc)...
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Most bottled water is actually acidic...
 
footscazy

yes lots of aussie tap water would be of excellent quality and bottled water would be a silly scam if tap water wasn't deliberately poisoned (fluoride added) by our government....but our tap water is of course poisoned by our government so bottled water or better yet a reverse osmosis set-up at home is well worth the money.

Not that anyone should have to but I would agree to paying our criminal government a yearly bribe to not poison the damn tap water.
 
^ ...that's all you picked up from my posts on the subject?

Fluoridation of water was a tiny part of what I mentioned. When it comes to making claims on a subject, such as whether tap water might affect a cdub differently than using bottled water, I like to investigate possible scientific reasons why that could happen, rather than relying on anecdotal evidence, and to be honest, plain hyberbole with all the claims of 'tap water: who knows what it may contain :S' ' 'nasty poisonous tap water' and so on. Overly emotional claims like this do nothing to promote understanding, instead they obscure it - because people get hyped up over something they believe passionately in and the whole debate turns into a matter of swearing allegiance to a cause then defending it to the bitter end, which makes it very difficult to have a rational discussion.

I've tried to address the various claims brought up in this thread with the evidence I can find. The comment 'tap water - who knows what it may contain :S' is a rhetorical question, it's used to suggest that taper water could contain anything, particularly nasty things, and these things could easily have an affect on codeine (and probably your health, too!). It's appeals to people's fears such as these that I think are incredibly important to break down and address, otherwise as is so apparent from this thread, it's easy for people to get swept along in the hysteria. We do know what tap water contains. We also know that bottled water contains risks of its own.

My aim through all this has been to indentify possible reasons why bottled water may have a different affect on codeine than tap water. Breaking through the misconceptions is essential for that. The above post, where you've summed up your reply to me with another argument against flouridation, entirely misses the point. I've said I don't agree with mass medicalisation of the public but that's neither here nor there. I find it disappointing that people seem to prefer to base their posts on defending personal positions or promoting personal or anecdotal experience than having any sort of intellectual curiosity whatsoever about what's actually going on here.
 
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i can't imagine the sydney's waterboard guidelines adhering to much of a difference than melbourne's.
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In Australian cities the problem usually isn't the quality of water being put in from the reservoir but rather the contaminants that enter the water by the time you use it. If you live in an old house with old piping (especially copper!) then you can be almost certain the water is significantly (if not heavily) contaminated. I know this for a fact as both in Sydney and Melbourne I've had to install water filters due to poor quality water, and the amount of shit that accumulates in the filter is mind-blowing.

There are also other things added to all the water supply like sodium fluoride and chlorine, and I have no idea how that would react with codeine.

Having said that when I used to use un-bottled water (sort of a habit I've just come to doing) it was still very strong, so who knows.

EDIT: oops I just realized other people said similar things.
 
Whilst I think the subject of possible differences between tap water and bottled water in terms of cdubs is an interesting one, disappointly that matter seems to be going nowhere fast. The tap water vs bottled water debate was a bit OT, but I hoped we'd be able to investigate the matter reasonably and perhaps come up with some solid theories why that might be the case. It's just getting derailed though, and a debate about flouride isn't appropriate in the codeine thread. Lets get this back on track.

Edit - I've moved the fluoride related posts over to a new Fluoride Discussion in Aus Social, so anyone interested in continuing that discussion, please do so there :)
 
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Fluoride should be a great codeine potentiator yo, since it's so toxic and shit, maybe we should try eating a bottle of tooth paste with our CWE's? Everyone else keen?
 
it'll fuck that rancid taste off. that's only a good thing, right?
 
wow what the heck happened here.

anyway, fluoride at the dosage of 1mg/L has been stone cold proven to be a bad thing for human being to ingest...a very very bad thing it turns out.

conspiracy theory???

this is mainstream science and has been for some time now.

Their is even a study from Harvard (have to double check, I will find and post the link) now which shows fluoridation of drinking water is an extremely bad thing to perpetrate against human populations.

I am always a tad disappointed when people shout down important medical science with the good old "conspiracy theory" criticism...honestly it beggar's belief, LOL why is someone like tyrael even taking this so personally as to defend fluoride LOL what the heck does he know about fluoride anyway, maybe if he actually read the stuff he criticises...but isn't that typical really. :)
 
there's no need to fight about this, I used to believe the government propaganda as well about fluoride then for one reason or another I actually looked into it for my self and there it was as clear as day...I am sorry that I made people angry or offended, I don't post this stuff to hurt other members.
 
why split the thread?!??!

this is important medical science that came up and IS relevant to CWE since CWE is often made with TAP WATER.

why can't the Harvard article stay to back up my post about it?

also tentram, where is the sensationalised content in the article? there does not seem to be anything like that in the article.
 
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sorry i'm a little stoned and looked at some of it blown out of proportion - i haven't smoked for a while.

the article has everything to do with health concerns (rightly split into it's own thread) and nothing to do with whether it has cause and effect with a cwe. that's the argument at hand, right?
 
yeah but why should footscrazy's lengthy posts about how safe tap water is be allowed and not mine with important medical science to the contrary?

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why should it be so hardcore offensive to talk about anyway? why do some people defend fluoride like they own a fluoride company? LOL of course I am sure that's not true but why fight so hard to defend fluoride.

I actually have an idea as to why because I used to do it my self. It's a bit hard to explain, I think it has something to do with how upset I was when I found out that bad stuff about fluoride was actually true.
 
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The further posts about flouride have been unapproved. It's simple - post them in the appropriate thread. They're not appropriate here.

And Sonny Jim, fucking read my posts. I'm not posting lengthy posts about how safe tap water is. I've provided evidence for both sides, and am interested in identifying the differences between tap water and bottled water so we can identify possible reasons why the two may affect cwe's differently. I was happy to let the thread get slightly OT and left everyone's post there until it started getting ridiculous. When I post about so many aspects of water and try and address why it might be relevant to codeine extractions and the only thing - the only thing - you feel you're going to comment on is flouride, it shows me you're not interested in discussing why tap water might affect codeine differently from bottled water. You're defending a personal position and it's not relevant here. It's those attacking flouride who have been like a dog with a bone, seemingly unable to control themselves from posting OT shit with no relevance to codeine, so your edit pillorying those defending it is hypocritical at best. Take it elsewhere - here.
 
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I am interested in discussing the tap water codeine issue and have made relevant post with possible reasons for this. Some people old pipes is an issue as well.

I also made relevant posts in response to your post about tap water and am yet to see a valid reason as to why that's not OK other than you don't like it but that's OK with me from now on. Sorry for the confusion.

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I never made you out to be a rabid pro fluoride supporter so what's the deal?

If I edit my first post to make that explicitly clear (in a friendly non-passive aggressive way) can this be all cool? edit: please :)
 
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I think it's all fine all this info about water and the effects it may have on cwe.

It would make a slight difference. But only the most dedicated deene fan would have the ability to notice the (if any) difference.

I mean, come on now, we're probably talking a difference of %0.03 (just throwing a number out there). And the variation is probably quite large considering everybody in every city/town has slightly different water, and bottled water is much the same, big variation.

If your thinking your missing out on something at the end, then you should look at potentiators. A lot of them will boost your rush alot more than changing water.

I think one on the most important things about appreciating codeine is having an empty stomach, few good potentiators timed well and, of course, set and setting.

For me I get my best buzz if I wake up in the morning (generally Sunday of course), don't eat breakfast, but drink plenty if water and maybe a cup of tea. Proceed to make cwe keeping in mind the times for potentiators.
Once I've drank it ill wait 20-30 mins then hit the green.

I can't get a better buzz from it unless I do this, I've tried countless times after work with annoyed results, I blame it on the awesome lunch I get fed at work. And yes I've tried missing lunch and I still ended up disapointed with the results.

The thing is I've been able to keep my dosage fairly low due to the frequency I've been using lately (and dxm), so i probably just need to up the dosage considerably when I don't get to do my morning ritual thingy.

These are things I worry about with cwe, not my water. If people are worried i suggest boiling water the night before, then placing in the fridge, all ready for tommorows nodding.
 
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I tried the bottle water method tonight but I had a bit of a break so the slight, more pronounced euphoria could be due to just waiting a week.

Ahh I was waiting for someone who knows what they are talking about to come in, sorry foots b4 was way too OT, but can any of these things interfere with codeine:

Aluminum 71mg/L Arsenic 5.2mg/L Mercury 7.9mg/L Uranium 2mg/L Barium 10mg/L

Plus heavy metals inclusive of
Beryllium
Cadmium
Chromium
Copper
Iron
Lead
Selenium
Thallium
Zinc
 
footscrazy,

I went to the trouble of posting those articles into that thread you said you created for them only to find it it is not even in ADD. Why is it like that?
 
I never said you directed it at me. What's the deal? I commented because I think it's hypocritical that someone such as yourself, who keeps on defending his position on flouride, would comment with derision on those who do the same but from the other side.

Sonny Jim said:
I also made relevant posts in response to your post about tap water and am yet to see a valid reason as to why that's not OK other than you don't like it but that's OK with me from now on. Sorry for the confusion.
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I addressed that in post 844. It's not about me not liking it or not. I don't know how this can keep escaping you, but for the third time, I don't agree with flouridation either! I took issue with your post because you chose not to comment on the evidence and theories brought up by other posters, in fact ignored everything else about the discussion except for flouride. You didn't make any mention to how it related to codeine, just argued it wasn't safe. I find that selectivity very disingenuous and the fact that you reduced your entire reply to me, and everything I said, to the one subject, and didn't bother to reply to anything else, suggests to me that you're more interested in defending your view of flouridation rather than having any meaningful discussion on codeine.

Whether flouride is safe or not isn't relevant to codeine discussion and it doesn't seem you're interested in discussing anything but that, given you chose not to reply to anything else. When the thread gets focused on an issue which people feel passionately about, like flouridation, the thread becomes all about that, rather than the issue at hand, which is codeine. You saw that this happened. That's why I took issue with your post, because directly focusing on flouride also directly derails the thread.

Sonny Jim said:
footscrazy,

I went to the trouble of posting those article into that thread you said you created for them only to find it it is not even in ADD. Why is it like that?
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What's the question? I posted you the link, I said it was in Aus Social, you've posted in the thread. Are you complaining about where the thread is?!
 
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