How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

[poledriver]

Dont know if it's been mentioned, i did a quick search and skipped thru a few pages, but this vid - Doncaster warehouse tribute video

http://youtu.be/bM3xf87CbIQ

Shows some hard gurners back in the 90's.. We had the flow on effect here in Syd, Aus from the early English rave scene and the ones in the early 90's were the best, so many English promoters and party heads, it was an insane time. And the pills all seemed so potent and pure. Was much rarer to get a bunk or adulterated pill then. They were more expensive then for a reason. These days the potent good ones are few and far between (here anyway)

The pills were super strong back then that's for sure, great era.

 

[georgewc2001]

^lol...this is a good example...back then everyone was rolling face at partys. today i go to events and everyone's taken molly but very few if any people are rolling...and i'm talking about all kinds of events from festivals to clubs to raves etc. (this is local to me ie nyc area) maybe elsewhere its different...but i'm not seeing too many videos to show it.

 

[mark881]

The Doncaster video is a real example of how strong the pills were back then.

I will describe a Dove pill from 1994

- drop 1/2 (yes, 1/2 not 1), 40mins to comeup. Uncontrollable dancing, feeling excellent just want to dance.
- the feeling comes down a bit after 20minutes and you feel like just cruisin but you are now feeling wasted and lovely, your jaw is hanging and your mouth is open.
- boom we're up again, dancing uncontrollabling and feeling excellent
- rinse repeat the above for 3hours minimum NO REDOSE WHATSOEVER

After the Dove

- wet clothes from sweat, very similar to if you took 1G of speed and went clubbin
- every crap grade morrocan hash joint knocks your head in. And the next one, and the next one. Tastes x10 better than pre-ecstasy.
- spend the whole weekend getting stoned, blissed out your head from endorphins and ecstasy still rolling around in your head
- chest pains (prob heart muscle), leg cramps
- wasted and knackered till Thursday at the earliest

Circa 1991-1995, hardly anyone re-dosed. Only hardened junkies. We did 1/2 a pill or 1 pill. If we went to a rave, we'd do 1pill+1gram of speed or just 1 pill.

Another thing was tolerance. As I mentioned before, the pills definitely hit the mark every single week. You first week it would be quite intense, but the 2nd/3rd/4th week in a row it would be not quite as overwhelming on the comeup, but definitely not bad - you felt you could handle it more. Post comeup, everything was by and large the same.

If you consider the average decent UK pill just now has a short duration and you build a tolerance quite quickly to them, this makes all the more financial sense to the labs who want to sell 'ecstasy' but want people to do 2/3/4 pills on a night out. They could engineer a super MDA/MDMA/MDE combo that would keep you going for 4-5 hours but the price would be maybe 30 or 40euros. The market will not pay that easily.

 

[poledriver]

I will describe a Dove pill from 1994

I had these as well (91-94 era) and also cali splits and purple specs were other ones I can vaguely recall now too, the logos and colours weren't very important either, we had loads that were just white or speckled and had a split maybe. I dont know if me and my mates were all just lucky, but predominately they were all very strong back then.

Circa 1991-1995, hardly anyone re-dosed. Only hardened junkies. We did 1/2 a pill or 1 pill. If we went to a rave, we'd do 1pill+1gram of speed or just 1 pill.

Same here. Altho a gram of speed would usually be for more than one, usually i recall my night out would include 1 pill and a half weight of wizz or some lsd.

They could engineer a super MDA/MDMA/MDE combo that would keep you going for 4-5 hours but the price would be maybe 30 or 40euros. The market will not pay that easily.

I dunno what that equates to in Aussie dollars, but back in the early to mid 90''s we used to pay heaps more than they cost today, the quality was heaps worth it tho.

Here's a couple of Aussie rave vids from back in the 90's when I was going nearly every weekend with my friends. Meeting new people, exploring new venues and parts of Syd, taking good pills, hearing new music. Good times.

Mixed Beans 2 Rave - 2.10.1993 - Alexandria - Sydney Australia - (8 or 9 am Sunday morning, hence the light coming into the warehouse, lots of people have left, so you can imagine how packed the place was)

http://youtu.be/0Z5U3bg3nfE

Field Of Dreams 1 - Rave - FEB 27th - 1993 - Sydney Australia

http://youtu.be/n_DLsmsPeA8

Field Of Dreams 3 - Rave - 4.3.1995 - Alexandria Basketball Stadium - Sydney Australia

http://youtu.be/91mBa05XtBk

SMURF VILLAGE 2 - Rave - 1 -April - 1995 - Minto - Sydney - Australia, DJ Supreme UK

http://youtu.be/Mz5_F59R8tg

 

[futura2012]

Dont know if it's been mentioned, i did a quick search and skipped thru a few pages, but this vid - Doncaster warehouse tribute video

http://youtu.be/bM3xf87CbIQ

Cheers for the vids poledriver. the dude in this vid is CLASSIC!!

I would say looking at this one in particular the people on this are fucked on additional chems to just MDMA.

I reckon the one guy is almost delerious. i love the way the chick next to him doesnt even look at him.

I am not sure if I would like a pill that would make me do this.

Theres got to be a heavy hallucinogen in the mix here for sure. It aint just MDMA

 

[Bearlove]

I actually used to club in the Donny warehouse :D - was a crazy place indeed ! (didnt the cloak room have a perspex floor ?) I used to be soooo fucked up leaving the club and staggering across the bridge to the train station :D reminds me of this .

 

[.sooper.]

I first rolled in 99. I find the pills these days do suck. I know i have a tolerance though so I take hat into account. But I also know there were some classic beans I had that had loads of MDMA and some MDA and some METH as seen and tested onlione.... those were the beans I really liked. A dose of MDMA back in 99 would make me shit happiness, these days it just make me in a decent mood and kinda zombified if they are strong enough. No word to lie though here in this part of Canada most the beans are not MD ANYTHING. Piperzines and other garbage is common.

 

[mark881]

I am beginning to consider that the earlier pills had more MDA. This would give better duration and more energy - from my research MDMA is more loved up and MDA is more 'let's party'.

So todays pills are more MDMA biased - that would be shorter duration and less frantic dancing energy. Tolerance seems huge with MDMA pills these days, maybe MDA builds a tolerance more slowly?

So MDA maybe has the potential to make our pills last longer and make us dance harder - with less tolerance so we can just about re-create the same effect the next week with a similar dose.

Nowadays, pills seem heavy on the MDMA and less or no MDA. That would explain the short 1/2 life and higher tolerance experienced. This is all good for the labs - they can get people to take 2/3/4 pills in a night instead of 1. I will take 3 pills min.with me and always chew through at least 2, but inevitably I take the 3rd pill also in one night. Some pills are leaning more towards MDE with MDMA also.

I am by and large putting the biggest difference between early 90s pils and current pills down to the MDA content. This is the nitrous oxide that makes us dance like nutters, I'd love to get some MDA and take a little with a standard MDMA pill I have.

Loving the videos, Fantazia Sydney 1993...that is nearly 20 years ago. That's what's driving me today. Having been on a whole life trip since, I've realised that the epic early 90s pills and a night out with techno beats EVERYTHING. Sad but true!

 

[mark881]

One thing I notice in the Fantazia video is so much smiling, it's absent from todays club scene - and was big in the 90s, such an amazing vibe - people were over-friendly.

SORRY PILLS FROM 1990-1995 BEAT TODAYS PILLS

 

[Vader]

Are you sure it's not just that being 20 is better than being 40?

 

[Folley]

I am beginning to consider that the earlier pills had more MDA.

haha just now?

MDMA is more loved up and MDA is more 'let's party'.

hmm... I'd agree to an extent. MDA seems to give a lot less empathy and is more of a self centered buzz.. but MDA leaves me on the ground rubbing the concrete floor feeling like I'm floating on a cloud

maybe MDA builds a tolerance more slowly?

Possible. MDA is more dopaminergic than MDMA, and dopamine is replenished rather quickly. MDA is also more neurotoxic than MDMA though, so that weekly dosing would have been doing even more damage than normal

with less tolerance so we can just about re-create the same effect the next week with a similar dose.

Or, like the E Tards of today, you just settled and got used to hampered effects from tolerance and just kept dosing every week... I did that for a long time and still got "effects", but it was pretty shitty compared to when I wait months like now... that doesn't mean I still didn't have some amazing nights out, they just could have been a lot better.

Nowadays, pills seem heavy on the MDMA and less or no MDA.

Yeah, there is almost no MDxx on the market besides MDMA... after the Dutch test centers got set up, I think the name of the game went to what's the most pure and not what gives the best buzz

This is all good for the labs - they can get people to take 2/3/4 pills in a night instead of 1.

The only people who are taking 3 or 4 200mg defqons in a night are the ones I would classify as addicts.. the Rockstars you are used to have like 60mg of MDMA and a trace amount of MDE and caffeine... so 3 pills would equal one regular Dutch pill

http://www.checkyourdrugs.at/data/_static/news/warnings/checkit!_Warnungen 0212.pdf

Which brings me to

Some pills are leaning more towards MDE with MDMA also.

The pink rockstars and a Brown Cross are the only pills tested in the past few years to contain MDE... it's virtually non-existent worldwide for some reason

I am by and large putting the biggest difference between early 90s pils and current pills down to the MDA content.

Agreed. Though, not just MDA.. the olden pills contained a lot of MDE and amphetamine as well. Hell, there was even MBDB being sold. These days it's MDMA or piperazine... again, I think largely due to the test centers... that's not so bad

epic early 90s pills and a night out with techno beats EVERYTHING. Sad but true!

I don't see any difference between that and today's pills lol. The good ones, at least

SORRY PILLS FROM 1990-1995 BEAT TODAYS PILLS

Haha who are you apologizing to? I'd agree with you... but that doesn't mean there isn't any GNARLY ass beans out there now. Try taking one of those 250mg bombs and tell me it's not as good as a 90s pill hahahaha



and I'm seeing a lloooooottt of nostalgia dude, I think that's a rather large factor here as well... whether you admit it or not

Hell, i'll admit it, I fantasize about the old Washington pills as well! Great MDMA Blue doves... MDA Pink Buddhas... those were the good days, before all the meth.

 

[poledriver]

but that doesn't mean there isn't any GNARLY ass beans out there now. Try taking one of those 250mg bombs and tell me it's not as good as a 90s pill hahahaha

There are for sure, they are just heaps, HEAPS rarer these days, here anyway. So many more shitty pills that its like a needle in a hay stack trying to get a wicked pill. But that depends on where you live I guess, if you live in Holland that's probably not the case at all, but in Australia these days it most certainly is the case. Nostalgia aside, the pills here these days are shit weak and pathetic in comparison to the 90's. It's a real shame.
Check out the Aus section on pr.com and skip thru 10 pages and see what I mean. It's probably the worst it has ever been here now.

There is more mdxx 'High's' on the first page of the European reports than there is in like 10 pages of Aus reports... How sad lol.

 

[pothole]

http://ecstasy.org/testing/index.html

Mda was not common in the 90s , the only confirmed pills I know of were the snowballs that were about early 90s. Amphetamine was not that common either, most pills were just mdma or mdea only.

 

[Bearlove]

I know I've said this before but the entire scene was different as it was NEW - you had to really look hard to find an all nighter that was going off somewhere around the country. Everyone that was going to these early events were going for fun / to enjoy this new found experience and just dance the night away.

Yes the old pills were great and if you were taking them in a field with 25000 like minded people the experience felt all the better - fast forward 20+ years and there are some great pills around. I have had some brilliant nights on these new pills and I know that in 20 years time people will be looking back to these times and remembering the fun time they had on these pills.

 

[mark881]

New skool pills have their merits - much much easier on the body, you can go to work the next day no problem. You don't over-exert your body.

Old skool on the other hand was far more stimulant based - and I am inclined to consider more MDA based.

A thing I notice now with the new pills is I want to talk to people = MDMA. There was a bit of that with the old skool pills, but mostly wanted to just dance furiously = MDA.

 

[Folley]

A thing I notice now with the new pills is I want to talk to people = MDMA. There was a bit of that with the old skool pills, but mostly wanted to just dance furiously = MDA.

lmao what MDA are you taking dude? MDA is a bit more stimulating... but not really at all at the same time. MDA floors the FUCK out of you, when I've taken a pure MDA dose (lab tested) I was stuck on the ground for like 2 hours till I took some MDMA to pick me up

If you were dancing a ton, I would say they were adulterated with amphetamine more. That's not something I want in my pills, I find speed kills the empathy and psychedelic aspects of MDMA and I don't like that anymore

 

[mark881]

If you were dancing a ton, I would say they were adulterated with amphetamine more. That's not something I want in my pills, I find speed kills the empathy and psychedelic aspects of MDMA and I don't like that anymore

Defo more amphet or stimulation. All pills were the same thing. Oddly, no more difficult to get to sleep than todays MDMA pills.

 

[Innerpeace]

from 1998-1999 us sales increased over 10 times from 1 million pills coming in to 12 million

1999 50% of all street pills had mdma related (mdma, mde, mda) certain places had more purer ones, like mid eastcoast florida around this time, which from my experience these were pure mdma and others were unpure , had mda and mixed junk from my experience, these places include mississippi, mourori and nashville tn. -this is just from my own experience as I seem to think i got to the point I could feel whether it was good or not, **remember though if a person rolls too much say 10 x's in a month they may nnot be able to feel that "magic" anymore and could be mistaken

i did them about 30x's from November 1999 untill January 2001. I remember one week I did like four pills , four differet days, and felt really bad. used to roll one pill at a time.

It has been eleven years since I last rolled and considering the fact of 24% of all us pills have tested for mdma like substances, that means 76% of all pills tested this year have no mdma (let alone the otheres[mde, mda])

well I just hope the stuff is legalized where pharm companies make it and sell a pure dose of mdma, according to your weight, once every six months where they have a file for everyone. It would be harm reduction!, the govt could make money offf of it and everyone is happy

I see these kids doing what i did dosing every week and your just ruining it because after 10 or so rolls the magic goes, esp if your not spacing them out by 3-6 months so as a rule of thumb 4 rolling nights a year max(and using dosing guidelines, for you starters, who are so into it).

For people who have experience I recommend two times a year max, even better would be every year or couple of years or five years-delayed gratification is awesome, trust me on this subject. Now I do think taking long breaks can help and if I were to roll I am thinking I would roll extremely well, since its been eleven years, I dont know though, and the only way for me to know is do it

 

[alasdairm]

^ interesting opinion. where are you getting your numbers (e.g. 50%, 24%)?

alasdair

 

[futura2012]

^^ Have to second alasdair on this sources would be brill.

Happy to see this thread is still in business.

Having pharma companies producing MDMA would be fab. At least if these dutch labs would print the dose on the pill. The bomb 250 had the right idea.