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Israel and Gaza

haha. Just like all the 100's of thousands of civillians in iraq killed by coalitiion forces were enemy combatants.

Propaganda spewing from both sides. I think the US, and every other nation on this planet should just step back, and let things work themselves out in the region. You can't stop a fight between two people determined to kick the shit out of each other by holding them back indefinately. As soon as you let go all hell will break loose.
 
haha. Just like all the 100's of thousands of civillians in iraq killed by coalitiion forces were enemy combatants.

Propaganda spewing from both sides. I think the US, and every other nation on this planet should just step back, and let things work themselves out in the region. You can't stop a fight between two people determined to kick the shit out of each other by holding them back indefinately. As soon as you let go all hell will break loose.

I think if you want them to do that then they first need to supply the Palestinians with the same amount of weapons that they've supplied the Israelis with.
 
More Facebook shite from Israelis

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I think if you want them to do that then they first need to supply the Palestinians with the same amount of weapons that they've supplied the Israelis with.

Thats the same fucked up logic that got us into this mess. I think if you did that, it would just turn (more) into the post cold war proxy war it is.

Yeah, the us and other nations just fueled the fire by giving them more weapons, but thats not going to help solve the problem. Call me cynical, but i think its going to have to escalate into a full blown war, and once people see the harsh reality of that, they're going to say wtf are we doing? Just like a good amounts of vets that come home, jaded by the horror that is warfare.

Thats when you get majority percentages of each country throwing out the old goverment, and realizing how fucked up the last 50+ years have been, and the only way to move foreward is to disarm, come to terms with the damage each party casued to each other, and find some kind of peace.

Israel having US supplied nukes, though, doesn't make the region any more stable. And the idea that the other party needs such tech to prevent conflict through MAD, is just terrible logic.

IMHO, its a proxy war. The us backs israel, and the middle eastern countries sympathetic to the palestenians back them, china/russia possibly as well if im not mistaken.

I think israel would crumble without international help, and the US should go in and take back all our nukes, and tell them they are on their own as far as military backing, funding, and any kind of aid until peace is reached between the parties. Even then, i don't think international funding of our allies is all that great of an idea. Just leads to more proxy wars.
 
I wasn't being serious. I was pointing out why other countries can't just shout fuck it & leave it all alone.

daytryptr said:
Call me cynical, but i think its going to have to escalate into a full blown war, and once people see the harsh reality of that, they're going to say wtf are we doing?

What would actually happen is the much better trained, much better equipped full scale army that is the IDF would completely wipe out Palestine. My point is that it is nowhere even close to a fair fight, Israel could carpet bomb the place then roll through it in tanks within a matter of days.
 
Nov. 19, 05:15 GMT: The IDF has released a statement, decrying Hamas’ use of the civilian population in Gaza to hide themselves as “undoubtedly a war crime.” The statement also claimed that if there are civilian casualties then Hamas is to blame for purposely orchestrating them.

sickening, and total nonsense.

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The Israeli Defense Force has confirmed that while targeting Hamas’ rocket chief it mistakenly bombed the home of the Al-Dalou family, killing at least 11 civilians, four of them children and toddlers.
 
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they are both stupid fighting over a religion

Who's fighting over religion? The Palestinians are fighting against being forced into ever smaller ghetto enclaves while Israel pursues its policy of expansion beyond the 1967 Green Line into occupied territory, denying them all right of return to those territories expelled from and the creation of a viable Palestinian state with what they have left. And who can blame them? Israeli policy is to stall any peace process for as long as possible until such time as they have achieved the Greater Israel they're aiming for with their continuing expansion building settlements in the West Bank for instance, areas which will be claimed de facto Israeli territory when a final settlement is one day reached ( or forced upon them ).

Religion is a smokescreen, one successfully used on both sides: the Israelis use it to paint all criticism of their state policy as anti-semitism from those who deep down are sorry Hitler didn't have time to finish the job gassing them from the face of the planet ( Oh, not that old chestnut! Again? 8) ), Hamas and their ilk use it to persuade poor saps to strap bombs to themselves with the promise of 72 virgins in paradise but it's no more a religious war than I'm a chocolate teapot?
 
According to Gershon Baskin, initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the release of Gilad Shalit, Ahmed al-Jabari, leader of the military wing of Hamas, was ready for a peace deal — which was in the works in the days before Jabari was assassinated in a targeted Israeli strike:

“My indirect dealings with Mr. Jabari were handled through my Hamas counterpart, Ghazi Hamad, the deputy foreign minister of Hamas, who had received Mr. Jabari’s authorization to deal directly with me….

“Passing messages between the two sides, I was able to learn firsthand that Mr. Jabari wasn’t just interested in a long-term cease-fire; he was also the person responsible for enforcing previous cease-fire understandings brokered by the Egyptian intelligence agency. Mr. Jabari enforced those cease-fires only after confirming that Israel was prepared to stop its attacks on Gaza. On the morning that he was killed, Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance. This draft was agreed upon by me and Hamas’s deputy foreign minister, Mr. Hamad, when we met last week in Egypt.”

This nails it: it shows why Israel escalated a series of routine border incidents into a major conflict: Hamas was ready to negotiate. Jabari was going to drop a gigantic “peace bomb” on Tel Aviv, and Netanyahu and his cabinet launched a preemptive strike to make sure it never hit its target. The last thing they wanted was peace breaking out in spite of their systematic provocations.

this puts things in context a little further.
 
Thank you Ceres. And for a bit more context, Mahmoud Abbas, leader of the Palestinian Authority who is internationally recognised as a legitimate leader of the Palestinian cause is due to ask for UN recognition of Palestine as a non-member state later this month, a vote he will probably win since the US will be unable to veto it unlike last years failed attempt for full recognition. All of a sudden we have an air strike against a Hamas leader provoking retaliatory rocket fire providing all the excuse Israel needs and suddenly they're at war in Gaza.

As ever eyes are turned away from the legitimate authority in the West Bank trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement in spite of Israeli intransigence refusing to properly engage and are now focussed instead on Gaza, Hamas and the terrorist threat. Meanwhile Israel is threatening to do whatever is necessary to topple Abbas and prevent the vote going through while the world is distracted. It's so fucking transparent a tactic as to be almost insulting of our intelligence.
 
russia today's coverage is quite good.

Nov. 19, 13:30 GMT: Rival Palestinian faction Fatah – which maintains control of the West Bank – has closed ranks with Hamas over the ongoing Gaza crisis. Top Hamas and Fatah officials gathered at a thousand-strong rally in Ramallah, the West Bank’s political capital, in a show of solidarity. Senior Fatah official Jibril Rajoub told the crowd “we are ending the division,” and Hamas leader Mahmud Ramahi said anyone who mentions “the division after today is a criminal,” AFP cites them as saying.
 
russia today's coverage is quite good.

Another viewer of RT I see.

Learned so much from that news channel, I used to only watch channel 4 news but after finding R.T. I have never looked back.

Best thing I saw on there was some piece about "Krokodil" (крокодил)
 
Russia Today has to be the most propaganda outside of Fox TV though. Some of their Syria stuff was laughable.

Press TV (Iranian English language TV) was my favourite until the bastards took away their license so Sky no longer covers them.
 
It is pretty disgraceful that Presstv was taken off air by OFCOM, we need a plurality of news channels to be able to discern the truth.

Otherwise it's Murdoch/BBC
 
Russia Today has to be the most propaganda outside of Fox TV though. Some of their Syria stuff was laughable.

Press TV (Iranian English language TV) was my favourite until the bastards took away their license so Sky no longer covers them.

Press TV huh?.......With George galloway all over it & backing it to the hilt?.......

Need I remind you of this erm little episode?.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1NIuCt72bU
 
Galloway had a show.

Noel Edmonds was on BBC, never stopped me watching BBC.

Press TV had more female presenters and in-depth interviewers than any other TV channel I've ever seen. Slamming it for having Galloway on is a bit of a straw man.
 
Galloway had a show.

Noel Edmonds was on BBC, never stopped me watching BBC.

Press TV had more female presenters and in-depth interviewers than any other TV channel I've ever seen. Slamming it for having Galloway on is a bit of a straw man.

Look deeper than the varnish on the top is my comment.

You slam R.T. yet push Press TV which is ironic on a base level, I would look into the backers of the news channel you seem to love so much. You put R.T. up there with Fox news which is comical, Press TV is in the same base that you slag off.

All news is propaganda, they all have major league backers that fund their station & have their own agenda they want pushed.

As to your comment about the war in Syria & the R.T. news feed on it may I remind you of a little quote ""The first casualty of War is Truth"

And I would like to make clear, 100% clear I never watch the BBC, total load of shit
 
Think there was a degree of irony in SHM's comments, farmaz, didn't read like an advert for Press TV to me. Russia Today's coverage is great as long as what's being reported has nothing to do with Russia, Putin critics don't need to worry about over-exposure. Love the guy who does the stuff about the US banks, can be seriously educational.
 
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