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So we are moving on from the issue of you clearly not understanding the facts of that part of the process to another area you don't understand either.

There is a support forum for such matters :-

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forums/111-Support

Your intellect and cutting comments are just beyond me ability to respond.
 
atm23 said:
If you were actually correct you may have a point, all infractions expire after set period of time.

When you really are not in possession of all the facts, it's best not to start making them up.
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Thats the problem,

You mods talk all this shite about infractions expiring, but alasdair was talking about previous infractions when you guys banned msb
Doesnt it stand to reason that a guy who has been on the forum longer would have way more chances of getting more infractions and thus getting a permaban
??

Why ban people based on history of bans as opposed to severity of offense?

With your banning remit, the longer you are registered on the forums the bigger chance for a permanent ban, as opposed to kids who talk shit and join in 2011
 
atm23 said:
So we are moving on from the issue of you clearly not understanding the facts of that part of the process to another area you don't understand either.

There is a support forum for such matters :-

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forums/111-Support

Your intellect and cutting comments are just beyond me ability to respond.
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ANOTHER prime example of why people hate power hungry and condescending mods
 
So it's OK for you to throw insults and post profanity but I use a little sarcasm and it's all so unfair.

You will get no further response from me on this subject, you have been provided with a way of discussing you grievances.

They do not belong here, please desist.
 
I Cant remember who called you the most anal mod on EADD a few hours ago.
Whomever it was, I cant say I disagree now given your last few posts
 
atm23 said:
So we are moving on from the issue of you clearly not understanding the facts of that part of the process to another area you don't understand either.

There is a support forum for such matters :-

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forums/111-Support

Your intellect and cutting comments are just beyond me ability to respond.
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The Liberal Media said:
Well then instead of having your secret mod forum when you and many other mods ( in all probability) talk shit about most of us regulars
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There's a quote that was made in the staff forum that always sticks in my mind:

"Remember that everything we say here will remain in the archive for years, and will eventually end up saying more about us than the people we're talking about."

It doesn't always achieve that level of piousness, but you might be surprised how restrained most threads are.

The Liberal Media said:
why not explain why people get banned?? thats all people are asking for

This is the main bone of contention.

Explain why people are banned and it would stop others from doinng the same.
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Like I said... a lot going on here and your argument has shifted at least twice since I last posted. First it's complaining about an irreversible system... which doesn't exist. Then it's complaining about a non-expiring system... which also doesn't exist.

Now it's complaining that ban reasons aren't made public. Honestly, I think it'd be an interesting experiment to do that (some forums have experimented with a mod which automates publication of ban reasons), but I can't help but think that our experience would soon mirror theirs where it quickly devolves into perpetual baiting and extended arguments over the validity of every action... and while we try to be as transparent as possible, not all of us have the spare time to devote to servicing that baiting. Honestly, I don't know how some people find the time and energy.

I'm also slightly surprised (given what I think is your largely libertarian posting history), that you think it's necessary to explain to people the minutiae of what not to do. It's pretty much spelt out in the BLUA (with admittedly some wiggle-room to encapsulate general idiotry). Whatever happened to personal responsibility and understanding that behaving like an abusive fucknut will erode people's patience (and one's welcome)?

It's not that difficult.

The Liberal Media said:
Thats the problem,

You mods talk all this shite about infractions expiring, but alasdair was talking about previous infractions when you guys banned msb
Doesnt it stand to reason that a guy who has been on the forum longer would have way more chances of getting more infractions and thus getting a permaban
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Oh... it's changed again. :D

To answer your question... no. Infractions expire after 12 months. There are literally thousands of regular members who have managed the feat of not being infracted or banned. Some of them have even been around more than 12 months. ;)
 
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what's the difference between infraction and ban? how many infractions make a ban? what do you do to get infracted? I know within my 1st coupla days on here someone got banned as a result of my reporting them. never reported anyone since. the arguments do get tiresome. i'm gonna watch tv

@ypdh and kate. i'm interested in the self improvement thang. kate, what has that alastair appleton got to do with holy island? i feel wrong for having a semi crush on him due to his poshness.
marmz..you said something the other week bout my sis which makes great sense. hope you havent copywrited it coz i'm going to quote it to her.... i'm watchin tv now

trying to change the subject....very misty and damp out there
 
The Liberal Media said:
I Cant remember who called you the most anal mod on EADD a few hours ago.
Whomever it was, I cant say I disagree now given your last few posts
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I think there are more than a few who agree lol. atm23 you used to actually be alright, before you became Mr Moderator @ Team Bluelight. Dafty.
 
tambourine-man said:
There's a quote that was made in the staff forum that always sticks in my mind:

"Remember that everything we say here will remain in the archive for years, and will eventually end up saying more about us than the people we're talking about."

It doesn't always achieve that level of piousness, but you might be surprised how restrained most threads are.


Like I said... a lot going on here and your argument has shifted at least twice since I last posted. First it's complaining about an irreversible system... which doesn't exist. Then it's complaining about a non-expiring system... which also doesn't exist.

Now it's complaining that ban reasons aren't made public. Honestly, I think it'd be an interesting experiment to do that (some forums have experimented with a mod which automates publication of ban reasons), but I can't help but think that our experience would soon mirror theirs where it quickly devolves into perpetual baiting and extended arguments over the validity of every action... and while we try to be as transparent as possible, not all of us have the spare time to devote to servicing that baiting. Honestly, I don't know how some people find the time and energy.

I'm also slightly surprised (given what I think is your largely libertarian posting history), that you think it's necessary to explain to people the minutiae of what not to do. It's pretty much spelt out in the BLUA (with admittedly some wiggle-room to encapsulate general idiotry). Whatever happened to personal responsibility and understanding that behaving like an abusive fucknut will erode people's patience (and one's welcome)?

It's not that difficult.


Oh... it's changed again. :D

To answer your question... no. Infractions expire after 12 months. There are literally thousands of regular members who have managed the feat of not being infracted or banned. Some of them have even been around more than 12 months. ;)
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Oh please, your just trotting the same crap that is put out on all other V bulletin forums.

Push comes to shove your following the same banning template as every other V bulletin forum

Shame as i used to think this forum had a semblence of individuality( especially EADD) guess I was wrong
Just a fucking V bulletin template

Shameful
 
The Liberal Media said:
This whole points banning system is wrong
I dont know what systen you guys use.
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so you admit you don't know what system is in use but it's wrong? many of your comments are based on mistaken assumptions and, in places, you are completely incorrect.
pinkpapaver said:
what's the difference between infraction and ban? how many infractions make a ban? what do you do to get infracted?
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broadly speaking, there are 4 levels of bluelight discipline:

- an informal warning. might take the shape of a pm pointing out a broken rule.

- a formal warning. recorded in a user profile (see: your profile and click 'infractions') but no material effect on your bl presence as it's worth 0 points.

- a formal infraction. recorded in your profile and has a material effect on your bl presence as it's worth (most commonly) 1 point. points add up and automatically trip temporary bans based on the following table (from minor change to the infraction system):
2 points = 1 day
3 points = 3 days
4 points = 7 days
5 points = 2 weeks
6 points = 1 month
7 points = 3 months
8 points = 6 months
9 points = 1 year
10 points = 2 years
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as such, you don't just get banned for 2 years for being annoying. you break rules (either forum-specific rules or the blua) again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again.

- a ban. can be temporary (see above) or permanent (generally reserved for spammers or users who have tripped more than 2 years' worth of temp. bans).

interestingly, there used to be no formal, transparent system of discipline at bluelight - 'supermoderators' and admins could summarily ban people for no reason and with no procedure for review. if one staff member didn't like you you could be banned with little or no recourse.

nowadays, we address that concern with a system of incremental, expiring infractions with checks and balances in place to ensure than no one staff member just bans somebody off-the cuff and that system is being criticised for not being 'individual' enough.

damned if we do and damned if we don't :\

alasdair
 
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backroll said:
enter the dragon just started itv1 11.05
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That's the one with the enormous pans of cooking opium as I remember, I'm not into fighting films but Bruce Lee is always worth watching. My brother was really obsessed with him when we were kids, he got to be a brown belt black tag in Tae Known Do...not great when you're already the younger brother:)
 
The Liberal Media said:
Oh please, your just trotting the same crap that is put out on all other V bulletin forums.

Push comes to shove your following the same banning template as every other V bulletin forum

Shame as i used to think this forum had a semblence of individuality( especially EADD) guess I was wrong
Just a fucking V bulletin template

Shameful
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I'm not sure how any of that is related to the three four lines of argument you had earlier.

An opposing perspective is that you're trotting out the same crap that a small handful of people trot out on other forums.

I repeat: thousands of regular and active members manage to get through many years of posting without incident.
 
I wasn't all that clear, I was the younger sibling with the older brother who was into martial arts, he gave it up when he was 15 and I started rugby at 8...what goes around....
 
Alasdair I know how the bans work on V bulletin
I was on a V bulletin forum where a Mod explained to me in intricate detail about how mods have their own forum to talk shit about posters and how they decide who gets banned and who doesnt so i dont really appeciated the condascending tone TBH

I recoginise your name from about 11 years ago from when i had my "other" name at bluelight and i realise you are indeed one of the better mods
The new ones however are dragging the rep of the forum into the mud

especially the newer ones on EADD

I dont wish to drag the whole subject on and on , so I will stop now
All want to say is that the whole banning process on this forum is fucking lame, whis is what many of us others think as well

Nuff said , i hope the fact that I can indeed voice this concern will be ok as we all have freedom of speech even on forums

And on that note i wont say anything else regarding the matter
 
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