Stimulants Redosing Methamphetamine Problems

[Tryptamino]

As many of you guys know, I'm a fan amphetamines, and for the past 20 hours oor so I have been snorting small bumps of crystal meth. At first i was redosing fairly regularly, but I thought that I would be able to sleep 7 hours after my last dose, so I stopped redosing. At 4:30 this morning, I figured I wasn't going to sleep, so I did a few quick bumps. the effects were significant, and I stopped feeling any euphoria about an hour after ingesting. I was content (not high, not crashing), so I decided to wait on the next dose. At around 7am, I snorted two average sized lines, and my crash immediately returned. The only noticeable effects from the lines were difficulty breathing and nausea. This has never happened so early in a binge before, usually "the wall" as i call it comes into play around the third day. does anybody know how much time it takes in between doses for you to stop getting higher, and you just continue crashing? can this be reversed by dosing higher or using an alternate ROA? much help is needed, I have so much more and I don't want to waste it.

 

[40713]

sorry I cant answer your question. But can you tell me more what you mean with "difficulty breathing"? I have that too some times and I think it gets exacerbated by meth, but Im not sure its the same..
I think mine is some kinda "panic anxiety" that I got after abusing 6-apb/mdma a period.. and its exacerbated too much when smoking cannabis, to the point I stopped toking for months. However I think its gotten better tho, and while I get some "breathing problem" at random times thru the day, doesnt last long or is very strong/much of a problem.
I have noticed this has gotten worse after periods of meth again, I guess its amphetamines in general worsening such a condition?

My issue is... a bit hard to explain, but its as if I "forget" to inhale some times, or take too small breaths. End up sitting focusing on breathing, making sure each breath is right tempo/speed and all.. and it may disappear as fast as it came on, jsut suddenly I think I can "forget" it, and its gone...a while.

Also, why do you snort it? Have you tried smoking it, at all/ever?

I think I need ATLEAST 12 hours after my last dose before I can think of sleeping, and some times its taken me more than 24h since last dose.
I feel that when I have my first yawn, then I may be able to sleep..but usually not before, not without a benzo atleast.

The nausea, any idea where its coming from or you think a reaction to the drug itself? Personally I get nauseas when Ive gone on meth whole day and havent eaten anything or such, and think I get much better after I have forced down some food. Think this would help, or another type of nausea..?

Im not sure what you mean by reaching (?) "the wall" as you call it, you mean you keep dosing but youre not reaching back up to the desired place you were, and looking for ways to get around this thru different dosing/times or ROA?
Again I dont really know..sorry.. Im just some stupid newb and very new to meth myself, but Id guess ROA wont be much different in this respect, and once your body has reached a point where it cant sqeeze out more of these feelgood-juices (dopamine? no idea..) and youre just feeling bad/never better, then its probably best to rather focus on getting to sleep; stop dosing and wait until tired, to recharge the brain for another day of pleasures instead and not really much that can be done before that...
again Im just some n00b dont really know, just thought Id add my dum input anyway incase it had any use or anything. Smoking meth atm myself

Sorry let me know if this was just in the way or anything and Ill delete (if possible) :/

anyway, good luck.. be careful and take care, stay on the ssafe side- eat somehing healthy and go to bed!

 

[Tryptamino]

I used to smoke and IV but now my main ROA is snorting, and occasionally I plug or eat it, because smoking and IVing meth are really terrible for you, and result in compulsive redosing, which leads to multipile days/hours without food/sleep and will ultimately do a lot of damage to you. After years of amphetamine abuse, it's one of those "I'm too old for this shit moments.", because from my lengthy experience with amphetamines, I know what effects me negatively, and i know what damage I've already done, so the idea is to reduce further harm.

by difficulty breathing, i mean its difficult to get air in my lungs because my PNS is overstimulated, and my muscles are hard to control.

when i tried to sleep, it was with a large cocktail of sleep-aid herbs, supplements and dramamine, basically a melatonin overload, and i thought that since my dosing was VERY low for my tolerance, I would be able to sleep sooner. usually it takes me at least 12 hours as well, but that's after taking large doses repeatedly for a day or two, this was just a few bumps done in the course of a few short hours.

I'm not gonna make you delete your post, but in the future, dont respond to a thread to tell me that you cant help me. its just a waste of your energy and it doesnt really benefit anyone. i dont mean to sound like a dick, but it sort of undermines the fact that I need some help with something, and then you come along and say that you cant help me, and then ask me a bunch of irrelevant questions.

 

[blight12]

Not answering your question directly, but your confusion sounds very similar to mine so I will share some thoughts, and maybe it will be relevant for you or maybe not...

I know exactly what you mean by the wall at day 3, this is what happens with me.
Usually I will be taking smaller or similar doses by this time as I start stressing that more meth is going to make me feel worse, and I get anxious about this.

What i have found this that if you are starting to feel shitty, smaller redoses makes you feel worse or doesn't help at all.
In fact I find small doses of meth has way more side effects then larger doses from, even from the first dose.

And obviously it makes sense that you need to increase dosage over time as you build tolerance during a binge, but somehow this doesn't feel natural during the experience. A least for me, increasing dosage feels like a bad idea.

Came of a 4 day binge a day back and this time I forced myself to have a large final dose and it immediately made me feel great, killed all the side effects or any negative aspects of the drug. It felt like the first dose on day 1. I am still shocked how it is possible to generate such euphoria even 3-4 days into a binge with the right increase in dosage. Now i don't think this is good or you should do this. I'm sure the side effects are there, just overshadowed by the good.

Additionally when I first started meth i used very large doses because i didn't know better and side effects where almost non-existent (more likely less perceived) during those binges and I am still struggling to enjoy reasonable doses in comparison to large ones because of this. Large oral dosages are godlike, but I wont go back, wasteful and dangerous, alas.

 

[Tryptamino]

Not answering your question directly, but your confusion sounds very similar to mine so I will share some thoughts, and maybe it will be relevant for you or maybe not...

I know exactly what you mean by the wall at day 3, this is what happens with me.
Usually I will be taking smaller or similar doses by this time as I start stressing that more meth is going to make me feel worse, and I get anxious about this.

What i have found this that if you are starting to feel shitty, smaller redoses makes you feel worse or doesn't help at all.
In fact I find small doses of meth has way more side effects then larger doses from, even from the first dose.

And obviously it makes sense that you need to increase dosage over time as you build tolerance during a binge, but somehow this doesn't feel natural during the experience. A least for me, increasing dosage feels like a bad idea.

Came of a 4 day binge a day back and this time I forced myself to have a large final dose and it immediately made me feel great, killed all the side effects or any negative aspects of the drug. It felt like the first dose on day 1. I am still shocked how it is possible to generate such euphoria even 3-4 days into a binge with the right increase in dosage. Now i don't think this is good or you should do this. I'm sure the side effects are there, just overshadowed by the good.

Additionally when I first started meth i used very large doses because i didn't know better and side effects where almost non-existent (more likely less perceived) during those binges and I am still struggling to enjoy reasonable doses in comparison to large ones because of this. Large oral dosages are godlike, but I wont go back, wasteful and dangerous, alas.

thanks, man that helped a bit.

I agree, dosing high orally can be even better than smoking if done right. I've only dosed with desoxyn though, because street meth gives me enough nausea as it is, but oral dosing increases the nausea, so its either pharmy or nothing.

what doses were you taking throughout the binge, and what was your higher final dose? and what ROA were you using?

 

[blight12]

Yeah, oral always feels much stronger dose for dose then nasal ROA. Doesnt make sense but if it feels that way then thats all that matters. I will test plugging next time for sure though.

I couldn't really say with much accuracy the exact dosages, since i just eyeball dosages in terms of what i remember to be preferable from past experiences. I was hoping to express more the relative effects between smaller and larger dosages. Probably a bad habit coming from using low quality coke where you dont need to worry about dosing to high.

If i had to estimate orally. 1 gram of good quality crystal meth over 2 days was the high dosage. Perhaps 0.2g->0.3g oral per dose.
Low dosages was half a gram over 3 days.

(I would still like to know if high doses are safe to do for the better experience and if there is any reason why I shouldn't besides the apparent wastage.)

Really just guessing here so it shouldnt be taken seriously. Also I guess we all have different tolerance as well.
Mine is quite low, I feel it has the same effect now as it did when i started with zero tolerance, because i only use once a week and there are a few days in between to lower tolerance before each session.

Im lucky with my stomach of steel, never get nausea from any illicit drugs, but the smell of Tequila will end me for sure lol.

Lastly my only issue with the high dosages in relation to the experience is:

1. Neutral (may be negative for some) : Visual and Audio hallucinations and strange thoughts (still fully controllable and can be reasoned with)
I usually enjoy these or they dont bother me since at this dosage the euphoria and sense or control are so powerful that fear or anxiety seem to be completely blocked out.

2. Negative: If you push the high dosage to far, i think once when i did 0.4 orally accidentally, the vasocontriction can hit really hard, and its not pleasant since at this dosage its easy to obsess over something like this and screw yourself over for hours.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

I agree, dosing high orally can be even better than smoking if done right. I've only dosed with desoxyn though, because street meth gives me enough nausea as it is, but oral dosing increases the nausea, so its either pharmy or nothing.

I've never felt any nausea from dissolving crystal in water and drinking it.
Also there is no contest that this ROA is in a league of its own.
Please explain the nausea you experience when taking "street meth" orally.
I mean how do you go about it and what triggers the nausea?
(i can understand nausea from snorting it, but try explain the situation of the "oral" ROA causing nausea just to make it a bit clearer for me to understand).
I'm pretty confident that I can help you get the most out of your stash without any wastage.

 

[Tryptamino]

I've never felt any nausea from dissolving crystal in water and drinking it.
Also there is no contest that this ROA is in a league of its own.
Please explain the nausea you experience when taking "street meth" orally.
I mean how do you go about it and what triggers the nausea?
(i can understand nausea from snorting it, but try explain the situation of the "oral" ROA causing nausea just to make it a bit clearer for me to understand).
I'm pretty confident that I can help you get the most out of your stash without any wastage.

well i've already found out how to get higher again, but the nausea still lingers... the nausea i get from street meth is a very toxic feeling in my stomach and the entire area below the stomach (dunno what its called, im too high to remember things) and creeps all through the center of my chest to the front-center part of my throat. when i take it orally, it just makes my stomach churn, and the only thing that i know of that can help get rid of the churning will also get rid of the meth i just ate, so oral street meth is not my favorite, although oral desoxyn is a beautiful, side effect-free high, which lasts a long time and is cleaner feeling than some opiates.

the breathing is actually a bigger issue though, because i am also experiencing pain in my lungs because i had the dumb idea of trying vaporizing my meth again (great high, although the crash was very sudden and heavy, and the lung pains) and accidentally burned a little bit of the ice, and inhaling smoke that had so many carcinogens in it it probably was equal to 7 packs of cigarettes. but the breathing problems started long before i had that "great idea". the pain in my lungs is only exacerbating the difficulty breathing. im gonna go make a cup of respiratory support herbal tea to sort me out.

 

[Tryptamino]

Yeah, oral always feels much stronger dose for dose then nasal ROA. Doesnt make sense but if it feels that way then thats all that matters. I will test plugging next time for sure though.

I couldn't really say with much accuracy the exact dosages, since i just eyeball dosages in terms of what i remember to be preferable from past experiences. I was hoping to express more the relative effects between smaller and larger dosages. Probably a bad habit coming from using low quality coke where you dont need to worry about dosing to high.

If i had to estimate orally. 1 gram of good quality crystal meth over 2 days was the high dosage. Perhaps 0.2g->0.3g oral per dose.
Low dosages was half a gram over 3 days.

(I would still like to know if high doses are safe to do for the better experience and if there is any reason why I shouldn't besides the apparent wastage.)

Really just guessing here so it shouldnt be taken seriously. Also I guess we all have different tolerance as well.
Mine is quite low, I feel it has the same effect now as it did when i started with zero tolerance, because i only use once a week and there are a few days in between to lower tolerance before each session.

Im lucky with my stomach of steel, never get nausea from any illicit drugs, but the smell of Tequila will end me for sure lol.

Lastly my only issue with the high dosages in relation to the experience is:

1. Neutral (may be negative for some) : Visual and Audio hallucinations and strange thoughts (still fully controllable and can be reasoned with)
I usually enjoy these or they dont bother me since at this dosage the euphoria and sense or control are so powerful that fear or anxiety seem to be completely blocked out.

2. Negative: If you push the high dosage to far, i think once when i did 0.4 orally accidentally, the vasocontriction can hit really hard, and its not pleasant since at this dosage its easy to obsess over something like this and screw yourself over for hours.

when i used to smoke ice out of a pookie, this almost always happened: i would suck in a bunch of shard that hadnt been melted on accident, so what would happen is i would get really spun from the smoked ice, and then the portion that i accidentally sucked into my mouth and absorbed sublingually would keep me high for something like 8 hours, and the euphoria from the oral dosing was very strong and it lasted even longer than the CNS stimulation.

damn, i am too tweaked.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

well i've already found out how to get higher again, but the nausea still lingers... the nausea i get from street meth is a very toxic feeling in my stomach and the entire area below the stomach (dunno what its called, im too high to remember things) and creeps all through the center of my chest to the front-center part of my throat. when i take it orally, it just makes my stomach churn, and the only thing that i know of that can help get rid of the churning will also get rid of the meth i just ate, so oral street meth is not my favorite, although oral desoxyn is a beautiful, side effect-free high, which lasts a long time and is cleaner feeling than some opiates.

Next time try taking some omeprazol before drinking/eating street meth.
It's worth a try and I think it might just work.

 

[Renz Envy]

Amphetamines are a neurotoxin with short term benefits.

If you are crashing, then you either need a much higher dose than your initial one to get high(Don't fucking do this.) or you essentially find a cruising zone until you cannot continue any longer.

Snorting and eating it as your ROA is fairly harmless as far as abuse goes. Unlike smoking or shooting up, it seems fairly difficult to gauge a "cruising zone". I would consider yourself smart not to smoke it or shoot up. Of course plugging is always the best ROA, it's not really cool to shove meth up your ass and tell your friends.

The nausea can be a sign that you are malnourished, also the PH of the meth could be acidic which is causing your nausea.

Difficulty Breathing can be a lot of things when using Amphetamines.

1) Methamphetamine is a bronchodilator. As you become less high, your bronchial tubing begins to constrict making it seem like you are having difficulty breathing. This can also lead to minor chest pain

2) Methamphetamine also heightens glutamate levels which increases anxiety. Anxiety can cause chest tension and pain. Especially after extended use, it is not uncommon to have panic attacks when thinking about your own health. Sleep deprivation can both aid in anxiety and also lessen it. Depends on who you are.

3) The most evil, heart conditions. If you have a heart condition, difficulty breathing "Thirst for air" probably means you should seek immediate medical care.

 

[tricomb]

^Also it's probably important to mention that the OP is a poly drug abuser, so trouble breathing may have something to do with CNS depressants instead, but I think he was just trying to say that the lines plugged up his nose, giving him a stuffy nose, not actual respiratory depression, but that's just my guess.

 

[Renz Envy]

^Also it's probably important to mention that the OP is a poly drug abuser, so trouble breathing may have something to do with CNS depressants instead, but I think he was just trying to say that the lines plugged up his nose, giving him a stuffy nose, not actual respiratory depression, but that's just my guess.

Meth is so water soluble I doubt it would plug up his nose for long unless it is heavily cut with something.

I would speculate that if the dose of the depressant is strong enough to take effect over the meth enough to cause respiratory depression, then his issue here isn't crashing and not getting high off the meth, it's not using such a high dose of whatever other drug he is on.

 

[tricomb]

High quality crystal still clogs my nose if I'm doing enough.

 

[Renz Envy]

High quality crystal still clogs my nose if I'm doing enough.

I'll take your word for it. I was never a fan of snorting big lines of it.

 

[Jktm]

Your difficulty breathing could be due to nasal/throat inflammation from the irritation of snorting it. I've never done a large nasal dose of do-do, but my way of doing tabs (MDMA/MDEA/whatever the fuck is in them) or molly or even phentermine was by snorting it, and ALL amphetamines (and the similar drugs like phentermine) cause A TON of irritation in comparison to insufflating other types of drugs (cocaine, benzos, painkillers). It could also be the result of your chest getting tighter from the CNS effects/vasoconstriction, or a combination of the two.

And yes, you build tolerance very quickly during a binge, and in my experience, I had to start upping the dose by day 2 or 3. Probably how I got up to smoking >=5 points of it myself by the end of my addiction. Hope this helped a little bit.

 

[blight12]

I have never felt difficulty breathing while on the drug, in terms of that scary feeling where you are not getting enough air or it feels negative like this in some way
In fact if I did feel this while still high, I would personally start to worry. Not wanting to be alarming, just saying.

Here are a list or related experiences that may help.

1. Comedown - The obvious one - That feeling like above, not getting enough air, hyperventilating etc. Feels scary but its pure panic attack.
2. High - Fast Breathing - You notice you are breathing much faster then normal so it may cause alarm, but it doesn't feel like you are not getting enough air. - Normal
3. High - Heavy Activity - (Example : After Jerking Off For Many Hours/Days lol) - Very fast shallow breathing, usually along with heavy sweating - Seems Normal - Unsure if it is safe though.
4. High - Heaving Breathing With Post Nasal Drip (likely after nasal ROA) - Intense focus on other things can distract you from making sure you are not breathing in mucus and other shit - Causes coughing and chest irritation - This often combined with the weak state of your body (large increase in free radicals) can trigger an athma response - I often need to take a hit from my pump to sort this out. This is the only concerning breathing experience felt when still high and quickly resolved with a pump.

A note: I have mild athma from childhood, bit I am sure even if you have never had it before, it might show up on meth due to to it being an auto immune response and the massive oxidation (free radicals) produced on meth could cause this symptom to appear for anybody (in theory). Im no expert on this though...

 

[Tryptamino]

I have never felt difficulty breathing while on the drug, in terms of that scary feeling where you are not getting enough air or it feels negative like this in some way
In fact if I did feel this while still high, I would personally start to worry. Not wanting to be alarming, just saying.

Here are a list or related experiences that may help.

1. Comedown - The obvious one - That feeling like above, not getting enough air, hyperventilating etc. Feels scary but its pure panic attack.
2. High - Fast Breathing - You notice you are breathing much faster then normal so it may cause alarm, but it doesn't feel like you are not getting enough air. - Normal
3. High - Heavy Activity - (Example : After Jerking Off For Many Hours/Days lol) - Very fast shallow breathing, usually along with heavy sweating - Seems Normal - Unsure if it is safe though.
4. High - Heaving Breathing With Post Nasal Drip (likely after nasal ROA) - Intense focus on other things can distract you from making sure you are not breathing in mucus and other shit - Causes coughing and chest irritation - This often combined with the weak state of your body (large increase in free radicals) can trigger an athma response - I often need to take a hit from my pump to sort this out. This is the only concerning breathing experience felt when still high and quickly resolved with a pump.

A note: I have mild athma from childhood, bit I am sure even if you have never had it before, it might show up on meth due to to it being an auto immune response and the massive oxidation (free radicals) produced on meth could cause this symptom to appear for anybody (in theory). Im no expert on this though...

i never experienced hyperventilation, in fact, the opposite. after crashing, it seemed to slow down both my heartbeat and my breathing, making my breathing very shaky and inconsistent. Smoking a lot of weed helped me relax my breathing, as well as most of the other side effects, but I still felt some of the difficulty breathing, only much milder.

 

[tricomb]

I'll take your word for it. I was never a fan of snorting big lines of it.

Then again, my nose/sinuses are just really fucked up all the time hah, probably doesn't take much for me them to get clogged... bad allergies

 

[opiatekrzy]

redosing is a waste of amphetamine, (pills). once u take ur 1st big, nice dose that day, and get sky high and feeling good, u wont feel any better by taking more when it wears off, all redosing does it prolongue the feeling of being tweaked and sleep deprivation, u wont get that big blast high from redosing, ur basciallt taking more to avoid the crash to feel normal. u need sleep, vitamins, food, water, a nd a few days break to dose again tog ett hat great high, i have wasted 100's of pills by bening afraid to crash, didnt wanna waste my benzos ona crash when i need them normally, just rough it out with sex, sex is so amazing on amphetamines with ur partner im talkin mind blowing