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'Natural' sleeping aids - mega merged

I've never taken it before but I'm considering it.

Let's say I have to get up at 6:30-7am, and I plan to go to bed around 11:30-midnight. If I dose with melatonin an hour before bedtime, should that be sufficient? Will it have worn off by morning or will I wake up feeling super groggy?

I'm more concerned about feeling a hangover from it than anything else.
 
XThexXTank said:
What kind of muscle tissue does it repair? Does it affect the entire body or like brain tissue?
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Both are repaired during deep sleep.

Your body releases more growth hormone that is essential for just about everything. Healthy skin, organs, bones, muscles(especially).

As for brain tissue, yes it helps there as well.
 
foreigner - you'll be fine, melatonin has very low "morning effects" compared to any other sleep aid I've ever tried (and that, quite likely, includes *anything* you could hope to name).

i actually just started taking it 2 days ago, for the first time in years. my sleep schedule has been getting better and better, i did not need the melatonin. but i always have trouble actually getting to sleep compared to most - while it's been good for me, relatively, i still have to spend 20min laying there after lights out. melatonin put it to under 10 the past 2 nights, with zero grogginess. used 3mg last night, taken at 11:20p (cool fri night eh? :( ). I turned lights out at 12:30 and was out pretty immediately.

for me, melatonin is a great sleep aid because i find it aids far more with being able to actually "turn myself off" and cross into sleep, than actual sedation. as in, if i take melatonin and am not trying to go to sleep, it doesn't really have any overwhelming sedative/sleepy effects, but if i lay and try to sleep, i can go down far easier. for me, right now, that's ideal - as said i'm just trying to refine my sleep schedule a little bit so melatonin's safety, cheapness, and action are all fantastic (that's not to say it won't work for more demanding sleep issues - i've used it for those a million times for every time i used them in good scenarios such as i have now)
 
Does anyone know of a sleep aid I can take that wouldn't effect the 7 lists of diabetic drugs I'm on or the one SSRI I take Fluvoxamine and Lorazepam along with Perphenazine, would melateonin be dangerous? i read it could cause high blood sugar and pressure and th at Fluxoamine can cause it to work higher.
 
i'm gonna say to verify this with a doctor, but melatonin would be fine. melatonin is a hormone your body's already making, taking the pills is just adding a bit more.
 
Melatonin and *INTENSE* Dreaming

Okay i'll try and update this post in a couple days when i can elaborate more, but i should put this out there.

I used melatonin lots through my life, but i recently started it again.

I took melatonin for the first time in a couple years on thursday night, then again friday night, then last night (1mg, 3mg, 3mg, respectively).

Now, i haven't ever been much of a dreamer, but yesterday i awoke from quite an intense dream (i won't say 'nightmare', but it wasn't too comfrtable of a dream). it happened again last night.

Through the past weeks, i've been a machine wrt 'life' (diet, sleep schedule, training, etc etc). The only reason i cannot attribute these dreams directly to the 3mg dosage of melatonin is that there was another variable - 2 nips(shots) of alcohol on friday night, and 1 tall beer (so ~1.5drinks) last night.

I'll post back after tonight (no alcohol and 3mg melatonin tonight), as i'm unsure whether it's the 3mg melatonin, or the melatonin + low-dose alcohol, or perhaps it's just the alcohol (friday and sat were 1st drinks in a lil bit).

And re the dreams, both were in the last hour or so of sleep; both fri night and sat night i awoke for the bathroom maybe an hour and a half b4 my actual wake up (i wake naturally / no alarm. this is a new thing for me and is only possible because of how rigorously routine i've been keeping my life lately), went back to sleep, and awoke a lil over an hour later from an intense dream. neither dream was a nightmare in any 'terror' sense, they were just very very deep emotionally (saturday's dream had me in a social scenario where my ex-fiance, who i'm still very much in love with, was present and completely ignoring me <we haven't spoken in over a year>. last night's dream had me re-living an episode from senior yr highschool <i'm 29 now>, where my father and i had a major head-to-head at home shortly before he kicked me out. both of these dreams were difficult, and for me to successfully elaborate i'd need to write a book of background to frame the scenarios, but suffice to say they were difficult dreams to experience but both showed me things that i view as positives- for instance, in re-living the scenario with my father in last night's dream, when he charged me i did NOT swing on him, as i had in real life all those years ago.)

I may make an entry in my blog about this, but right now i'm still just re-listening to the 30+min audio rec i made this morning upon waking, still need to integrate it more. ta da.
 
Valerian Root

Been using about 400mg Valerian for about 4 years night everyday. Read online it can cause Withdrawal in some people and should be weaned over a week. Anyone got information on this just hope it does not fuck me up forever and ever and like Benzo withdrawals sometimes do.
 
^Its gotta be the melatonin man. Almost every time i take the stuff the dreams are very real vivid and intense. There not nightmares or lucid dreams. As for the alcohol idk but every time i drink i never get dreams. Alcohol is a dream killer for me, or at least i dont remember them. But then again, when i drink i get wasted so that might affect whether or not i remember dreams.
 
heavier alcohol is for me too, but i can't say i'd be surprised at light alcohol being a factor (i had literally 2.0drinks' worth alc each night).

will know more in a couple days, tonight will be 3mg again w/o any other variables (ie alcohol). after a couple more days at 3mg i'll update ;P
 
wow i just spent 5min looking for thread title with melatonin, thought i was going crazy...

anyways, 2 more nights' worth has left me with the conclusion that, while melatonin is increasing dreams and/or my memory of them, the subtle alcohol had set them off.

the past 2 nights were 3mg melatonin and both days had zero other 'psychoactive' chems besides nicotine/caffeine (at my standard, very consistent levels).

both mornings i awoke and was really only able to recall dreams because i was trying - if not for the prior 2 nights with intense episodes, i cannot imagine i would have noticed i had dreamed the last 2 nights. the past 2 nights' dreams were incredibly 'milder', both in terms of intensity and significance.


something that i wanted to clarify, if i didn't get this across earlier regarding the 2 nights with super intense dreams: although they were uncomfortable, they were, all in all, GOOD episodes. they were difficult, but "productive", for lack of a better term. with all said and done, they were "better" for me than a generic, "great sex" or "lottery" type of good dream, despite their initial experience's emotional toll being negative.
 
Yeah definitely withdrawing from Valerian ripping my shirts off like the hulk and beating on my chest like king-kong. Is this shit going to last for like years similar to Benzo withdrawal am I better off just staying on this for life?
 
trll said:
Anybody got info on melatonin,
I would like to replace sleeping pills with something more natural.
I am a light sleeper and wake often, noisey nieghbours and general insomia all my life.
I am leaning more than I would like on zopiclone and valiums.
advice gratefully recieved, bx
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Melatonin worked wonders for me before i started with opiates.
 
Masturbation in the evening time if you just cannot sleep

I don't find valerian works for me anymore
I dont find camomile works for me anymore
sometimes i dont find weed works for me either
or exercise heavy that day
or even tryptophan foods before bed time can take me hours to fall asleep
 
can you get benzo withdrawl if you hve been using it 1/2 or 3 times a week for 2 years? never more than 3days a week though but at least once a week fir 2years.

its been 3 weeks since any benzos and i have severe anxiety so much so that i cant leave my house without having a panic attack.
 
yes absolutely. withdrawals depend upon dosages, frequency used, and duration of use.

At 3weeks you should be over most of the physical w/d's if it was xanax or klonapin. However, "paws" or post-acute withdrawal syndrome can last a crazy long time. It's been a bit since i read on that but i recall my feelings on it were that it seemed more like "reintegrating" from a benzo lifestyle, than something that was purely physical and *had* to be waited on (as in, i know that once my physical w/d's were done, there was a 'paws' type syndrome but it went away *immediately* upon changing certain lifestyle things, specifically when i just started keeping busy with normal, productive stuff.)
The more you can get out, the better. I know there's that phase where just going outside in the sun has your eyes watering and your ears ringing, it's a bitch to just get the mail - that phase is rooted in the physical w/d's and passes quick enough, the next phase 'paws' seems like just an adaptive / limbo type thing, and you should be there now or very soon, and will be able to fix it by willpower at that point :)
 
UPDATE on Melatonin/vivid dreaming: I did not take my melatonin 2 nights ago. Last night i took 3mg, and had another absurdly intense/difficult lucid dream. So fwiw i think there's a strong correlation between *raised* levels of nightly melatonin and lucid dreaming, but far less an incidence if you're taking your nightly dosage regularly w/o interruption :)
 
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