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Are we able to intuitively know when dopamine etc. is released?

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Well, after learning how crucial it is for attention and pleasure, I started to just try to detect it - might be a crazy idea, but trivial nonetheless - and it appears to be at best elusive. I feel what could possibly be a surge of dopamine only in hindsight - it never attracts attention to itself because, of course, attention is placed elsewhere at that instant.

Was just wondering whether anyone else ever thought of this little exercise. ;)
 
Well, maybe not currently or without years and years of dedication.
But I believe that I'm in absolute control of my body. I unconsciously relegate most control over myself to the subconscious, so I don't asphyxiate when I get too involves in a book lol, but with focus and intent, I don't doubt that I could eventually reach a place in meditation where I can feel what's happening in my body, no matter how small.
 
That's a pretty smart ass remark. I don't even know what you're talking about, first of all. Plus, you're fucking being pig-headed if you think that just because something isn't accepted as possible by science yet, that it just isn't possible.
Personally, my post comes from the fact that I can feel when I'm feeling. That is, I can control my emotions. If I'm unhappy, more often than not, I notice and simply make myself be happy instead. If that isn't regulating your neurochemistry, I don't know what is.
Maybe it's not as precise as technology, but who cares when the results are the same.
 
i could have an opioid prescription but dont need it. meditating i can get the same feeling to the point that it ls over whelming, it feels like a large shot and from past experience expect to puke sometimes. the first few times it happened i was alarmed enough to begin searching for an explanation why. i cant find a solid factual answer, and personally that doesnt matter, but for others it does, because for many this is a way of life and not imaginary, it is a reality that is worth investigation.

drugs have their uses, but, why should anyone want to depend on them?

not that i think anyone really does want to.
 
Mu-ham, my remark wasn't even directed at that. It was directed at rangr's comment on my belief that I can feel what's happening with my neurochemistry.

Additionally, I am not my body. My body is my body; I am my consciousness. I am much more than the sum of my parts. Do you see the difference between brain and mind?
 
Do you believe that you are a spirit occupying your body? Rock on!
Would it not make more sense to imagine that your consciousness is produced by the conscious body that is you?
Give your body some credit!
 
Close enough lol. I couldn't say what exactly I am.. I know (well, semantics, I believe) that I am not only my physical body though.
If that were the case, I just don't think I could live the way I do. And I like my lifestyle and beliefs lol.
 
I know exactly what I am. =D Why chose a belief system whereby you don't know what you are? - and where you make statements such as "I am not my body" :?. If you're not your body - well -- I won't tell you to kill yourself, then get back to me(!) -- because you are your body - and deep down you know that you are (your body knows, anyway!). Airtight argument - sorry!
 
^are you saying that you are only your body? that sense of self may be generated by the body, the brain, chemicals and such but there is the possibility that 'you' are something more than just a physical body.

panic in paradise: interesting... i've felt euphoria at certain points in my life that was somewhat similar to an opiate rush but only a few times, the body must be capable of achieving this state without drugs but i've no idea how to replicate it reliably.
 
RobotRipping said:
^are you saying that you are only your body? that sense of self may be generated by the body, the brain, chemicals and such but there is the possibility that 'you' are something more than just a physical body.
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Yes. !!4iV4HF9R34g's idea of himself fits very closely with the definition of a zombie.
I desire to be nothing more than all that I am. :) All too human!
 
What? No it doesn't. A zombie is actually closer to what you're saying bro lol. Just a body, physical only, lacking higher consciousness.

I think most belief sytems acknowledge that we as humans are more than our bodies. Ever hear of soul/mind?
Seriously though, I believe with everything I am that I will exist after I abandon my physical body.

As for why I choose to think this way.. I feel it. I know it in my heart of hearts.
It's hopeful and keeps me sure that I can be more than I am right now.

See I know WHO I am. And consequently, I don't really care WHAT I am.
 
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No no no no no! It is YOU who is the zombie! =D=D
Yeah -- most belief systems! -- Beliefs change with the years, with the seasons, with the philosophy of the time, with the science of the time, with the religion of the time -- the human body remains the constant factor -- don't base your life of a fleeting fancy-- that's my perspective anyway. Of course I've heard of 'the mind'! =D
There's one way to test your theory about surviving after death -- but I bet that you don't believe it enough to try it out (and nor should you, because it would be silly; and you would be the only person in history to survive death-- good luck with that!
 
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i could have an opioid prescription but dont need it. meditating i can get the same feeling to the point that it ls over whelming, it feels like a large shot and from past experience expect to puke sometimes. the first few times it happened i was alarmed enough to begin searching for an explanation why.
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surely if you are puking (never happened to me after multiple real life fat shots) then you are causing a physiological response that would lead to dependence?

anyway, OP, i can detect when dopamine is released, after a nice wank or line, ta da! the worse feeling in the world i get sometime is a rapid comedown (say, occuring within a space of 5 seconds) where i know the experience is about to be over.
 
Actually Mu, I plan on testing it out eventually. That's why I said, "abandon my body". You should watch Serial Experiments Lain, or read into transhumanism.
In my opinion, it's not even close to a fleeting fantasy. And my beliefs are subject to revision in light of new information, of course. But the core is a constant. Because like I said, I know it is MY truth.

I know that everyone has a different Absolute Truth. It's inevitable with the variance in perspective. But it's disheartening to see that folks are still around who have such conviction that they can't see the dawn of new days. That's fundamentalism for ya though..


P.S. You only have experience of YOUR body. Which makes your argument that the body remains constant moot, IMO. You simply can't know the consciousness of others. Or if they're even conscious for that matter. What if I really am just a zombie in your head? What if I'm just the Internet responding to you? This is all wild, joking speculation intended to provoke thoughts of course, but maybe you see what I'm driving at.
 
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Actually Mu, I plan on testing it out eventually.
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Don't mate, seriously!-- Maybe when you're 90, ok!
I mentioned Serial Experiments Lain to you the other day!


You're right-- I see other bodies around me and assume that they perceive the world in the same way that I do (when sober) -- It seems that way: in the way that they act towards each other, towards me etc. etc.

Who was that philosopher during the 2nd world war who believed that he was responsible for it??

I couldn't live like that-- history seems to go on independently of my bullshit opinions-- my bullshit opinions extend so far as to imagine that I am talking to another human being sat in front of a computer; rather than that language has separated me from myself until I die because someone tells me the word 'cancer'-- or some-such!
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Though having said all of that, I find it increasingly easily-possible to fall into a state where all language seems to speak directly to, and about me-- even books written hundreds or thousands of years ago-- I find this happens most readily when sleep deprived and it is certainly fascinating-- but hard to describe! It's starting to happen now-- It's not mental illness, I know that much!!!
 
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surely if you are puking (never happened to me after multiple real life fat shots) then you are causing a physiological response that would lead to dependence?

anyway, OP, i can detect when dopamine is released, after a nice wank or line, ta da! the worse feeling in the world i get sometime is a rapid comedown (say, occuring within a space of 5 seconds) where i know the experience is about to be over.
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haha there have been many times i puked or became nauseated on opiates, i have always had a very low tolerance thankfully, but dangerously. i guess the thought instinctively arises from past experience, and being accustomed to nausea proceeding that the feeling comes naturally. its the classic rush of warmth that spreads up around the stomach, spine, then into the shoulders and head, it is splendid.
it happens usually thinking of god, so i thank god for it and save my pennies.
 
See, I thought it was you! Lol. I just didn't remember exactly, and suggested it based on your seemingly opposing position lol.
And don't worry, it won't be soon. But it won't be when I'm old either.

The way of being you're talking about is how I live everyday lol. Ideas of reference, righ? Lol. Personally, I find it empowering, once you get over how weird it is.
 
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