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Misc serequel dosage for insomnia.

xpensivtaste

xpensivtaste

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i have some serequel 200mg, at this dose they make me feel awful, i have been researching and apparently 25mg is a decent dose for insomnia....question is can i split the pill? will the dose of 1/8th be roughly equal to that i want to take or am i wasting my time? also is that going to be a reasonable dose for me to sleep on or too little?

many thanks.
ps hope i am not breaking any rules. :?
 
thanks. hopefully i should get some kip tonight. wondering if i should play it safe with the lesser dose first. it's not something i take regularly nor i plan on taking often at all...
 
back when i got it scripted for insomnia i'd take 100mgs a night and it knocked me senseless unlike any other pharm i ever tried, so taking half as much probably will do the trick too.
i took 25mgs of seroquel on an 'as needed' basis during alcohol withdrawal, and that dose usually wasn't sufficient on its own to induce sleep, but it was during withdrawal, so different rules might apply.
 
thankyou again....i have read so many different things. some say its more sedating at lower doses, other say not.
wondering if 50mg would be a good starting point, gonne try that tonight.
i've had the pills for ages as when i tried them out as 1pill dose they left me feeling the most awful side effects although did knock me out but avoided them anyway as i would rather be awake all night in bed than pacing around my bedroom with restless limbs and super anxiety which i suffer from anyway.

after reading i could take a lower dose and the side effects may be lessened i figured i could give them another try on a "once in a while basis" as i usually medicate with zopiclone but tolerance is a bitch.
 
it's an antipsychotic and these come with an appendix of really aweful side-effects, even the atypical ones like quetiapine and olanzapine. of which the latter is in my opinion the worse offender but eh.
they also feel nothing like GABAergics, so the feeling of relaxation you usually get from them will be totally absent.
if i may suggest something, mirtazapine and promethazine still work good for me, without having any addictive potentia nor the nasty side effects. so that might be worth looking into.
 
thanks xxxyyy these are quetiapine. i am not really looking for the relaxation effects just sleep. i am a long term insomnia sufferer so i can't sleep without sleeping aids. i have benzos but i limit to twice per week.
 
yeah mate, i know where you're coming from, i've had insomnia since i was in my early teens. i started using benzodiazepines first (diazepam) but soon found that tolerance escalated and that they are way more useful for my various anxiety disorders. currently i take 30mgs of mirtazapine and 100mgs of promethazine a night for sleep, and this works fairly well, there's no real tolerance i can speak of (have been taking this combination for 5 months or so). unless i drink myself senseless or pop ridiculous amounts of benzos i can't sleep for shit without that combo.
you'll probably fare fine with the quetiapine. i took it nightly for about 6 months and never experienced anything worse than being tired as shit when waking up, no matter how long i slept. it's just that long term use of antipsychotics (although i don't know if this applies in say a 100mg a day dose) can result in shit like tardive dyskenisia, and believe me, that is something you never want to experience.
 
xxxyyy is correct, about 50-100mg will knock you out if you don't have a tolerance for the stuff.

Seroquel helped my insomnia when going through withdrawals greatly.

Just use some nail-clippers to cut the tablet into smaller pieces. Take one, wait half an hour and if it's not strong enough, take another, etc.
 
xxxyyy said:
yeah mate, i know where you're coming from, i've had insomnia since i was in my early teens. i started using benzodiazepines first (diazepam) but soon found that tolerance escalated and that they are way more useful for my various anxiety disorders. currently i take 30mgs of mirtazapine and 100mgs of promethazine a night for sleep, and this works fairly well, there's no real tolerance i can speak of (have been taking this combination for 5 months or so). unless i drink myself senseless or pop ridiculous amounts of benzos i can't sleep for shit without that combo.
you'll probably fare fine with the quetiapine. i took it nightly for about 6 months and never experienced anything worse than being tired as shit when waking up, no matter how long i slept. it's just that long term use of antipsychotics (although i don't know if this applies in say a 100mg a day dose) can result in shit like tardive dyskenisia, and believe me, that is something you never want to experience.
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Interesting i never heard of. Tardive dyskensia until youi mentioned it there so i looked it up and it doesn't sound fun.

I was considering trying to get presfribed seroquil to have sitting around for timee when i cant fakl asleepbcuzbthat sturf knocked me ouT GREAT the three times i tried it for sleep but i would make it a point to take it very rarely because i dont wwnt to risk gettinf my body to a point where i need it every single night just ti fall asleep
 
xxxyyy said:
50-100mgs should easily do the trick.
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agreed. But only for so long. Quietepine is not only an antipsychotic, but also a potent antihistamine, which is what causes it's sedative effects. It's usually only prescribed off label as a sleep aid in dosages ranging from 25-100mg, but like diphenhydramine or promethazine, it requires dosage increases, and if you're taking it solely for insomnia,you don't want to get into the higher dosages that are prescribed for Schizophrenia. If your suffering from insomnia and don't want to take a habit forming medication like the z-drugs or benzodiazepine's, than I would use diphenhydramine or doxylamine. Both of these produce tolerance as well, but you have more room to raise the dosage before you start to experience the anti-cholinergic effects which can be pretty nast and include delerium and often disturbing hallucinations (and yes,nth is can happen even if you slowly titrate your dosage upwards as your tolerance build. I've been through it, and found that these nasty effects seem to take place once your in the 250-300mg range. Doxylamine however has a lot less side effects and is pretty equipotent, though IME it's shorter acting and does not keep you asleep throughout the course of the night).

I wouldn't often recomend Z-Drugs or benzodiazepine's for insomnia, but sometimes a short run with ambien (7 days or less) is a better option as you can reset your sleep schedule within that period of time without becoming Dependant. A little under a year ago, I had started to use diphenhydramine as a sleep aid, and eventually ended up taking dosages of 500mg in order too knock myself out. By this point though, I would experience pretty terrifying hallucinations, anxiety, and tachycardia before I was able to calm down enough to fall asleep (and yeah I know that's an absurd dosage to take, but I didn't start off the bat consuming so much diph, but rather my tolerance grew from a starting point of 25mg..) The pathetic thing was that it was nearly impossible for me to et rest any other way, even though the rest I was getting was so stressful that it pretty much made the whole thing pointless. I ended up asking for a maximum prescription of 7 10mg Zolpidem tablets, which I used to stop taking the Benadryl and get my sleep schedule back on track. I ended up using only five doses, and for me this worked. However, if you have problems with benzo's and Z-druga than this could be a really bad way of handling your sleep issuEs.
 
This has already been covered fairly well I think, but I would say, go with the lowest effective dose, which varies from person to person. If you are using it only on the nights you really need it, I don't think there would be too much of an issue with tolerance buildup. Anywhere in the 25 - 50mg range should suffice. 25mg always put me off to bed back when I was Rx'd it, and I'm a fairly big dude.

Now on the next, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that it acts as two different drugs dependent upon the dosage range. Approximately 100mg or less acts as a strong antihistamine, whereas over 100mg starts acting as an anti-psychotic.
 
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