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Shrooms: the healer, but to what extent?

It will most likely pass soon enough. I'd bet that doing shrooms, or any other psychedelic for that matter, would make visual distortions worse if anything. Psilocybin can sometimes be a good medicine for some mental / spiritual problems, not so much for the physical ailments.
 
Visual snow is a normal artifact of the human perceptual system, it is incredibly unlikely E 'rewired' your brain... This happens to a lot of people and almost all of them recover in a few months.

During the psychedelic experience, sensory distortions like "trails", "halos", "snow", etc are all exacerbated to some extent. Hence it's very unlikely that taking mushrooms will help. Generally problems like this (mild HPPD) arise from the use of sense-distorting psychedelic drugs. On the other hand it's unlikely it will make the visual snow any worse.

The best thing you can do is stop worrying - visual snow is not indicative of damage. If you are concerned I would see an optometrist because your physical vision may be deteriorating (nothing to do with psychedelics, maybe they've just drawn your attention to your eyesight). Abstinence from drugs will speed the process.
 
FYI, you don't need any disclaimers here, we all know it's you.

You may want to read up on the human visual system. It's normal to see "snow" with eyes closed. (to some extent)

It is incredibly unlikely that any "serotonin neurons" are damaged. It is even less liekly that the "ones behind the eyes" are responsible because the visual processing system is in multiple places in the brain.

I'd also bet you a cool thousand dollars that there's absolutely zero pathology on a MRI/CT scan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigengrau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_snow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_cinema

Unless your visual distortions are so severe it is hard to handle normal life, it's probably best to just schedule a normal checkup with your optometrist in a month or two, and enjoy your mushroom trip :)
 
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That disclaimer stuff is unnecessary and annoying, you're not fooling anyone.

As for your concern, psychedelics to fix increased sober snow is unwise, it's more likely to make the problem worse. Secondly, your self-diagnosis of damage/alterations to your eyes/brain/whatever seems very unlikely, and the cure a product of whimsy. Just give it a few months, and avoid any more E, or psychs, or anything you find exacerbates the issue. The issue should solve itself, and if not, ah well those things happen to people, so long as it's not actively interfering with your life it's no biggy.

If worried about your eyesight, going to an optometrist for a checkup is a splendid idea. Good luck, and good health.
 
tokersrule said:
All this started after E, and i even dumped some out of the capsule, so i have to assume something is going on with the serotonin neurons behind the eyes

You haven't re-wired your brain, nor have you damaged the serotonergic neurons in your optical pathways. Folk myths may have you believe otherwise, but MDMA and related compounds really don't fry your brain. In fact your nervous system is remarkably adaptive and resilient. Your brain cells are under constant (i.e. every millisecond) bombardment from environmental neurotoxins, free radicals, and all sorts of other stressors, but that's just par for the course because your body has equally good defensive and recovery mechanisms.

You should expect to have lasting sensory distortions after using sensory distorting drugs, because physiological reactions don't just stop the moment the last molecule of that drug is eliminated from your body. Look upon those sensory changes more as a 'loosening up' of the way your body perceives reality. The more you trip - and the more you become familiar with HPPD - the more you realize that it is not really neurological damage at all, but rather a heightened awareness of the continuous homeostatic fluctuations which occur fluidly from moment to moment. You are literally watching your body in it's continuous adaptive processes.

Drugs tend to produce a (debatable) healthy toxicological crisis that we gravitate towards subconciously in order to have a cathartic release of emotional blockages. That process is never complete, so we most often end up in the midst of it. Think of it in terms of a smoker of cigarettes: he doesn't realize how much crap is lining his lungs until he stops and allows his immune system to awaken in to purge mode; then he starts coughing it all up and he can feel the mucus in his lungs every day. After that, he notices he can breath better and his lungs feel clean. In this case, the cessation of smoking is analogous to the cathartic process of starting use of empathogens/psychedelics. Only in this case, the visuals are not really an unpleasant or unfortunate thing at all.

One other thing: you don't need to use disclaimers that your posts are the work of fiction. We all know it's you, and it would be highly paranoid and narcissistic to believe that law enforcement would be looking to arrest you because you talked about getting high on these boards with many hundreds of thousands of members on them. Frankly, they don't care. It's probably a good job you're laying off the weed.
 
Perhaps you could move to an Arctic area which is snow covered...this would make the visual snow effect blend nicely with the surrounding external stimulus :-P

Don't mind me :-)

But yeah, I've had perceptual revamping occur from psychedelics plenty of times. When I used to trip ~weekly sometimes aftereffects would arise, sometimes they would vanish...I've seen thousands of flavors of perceptual variety!

Meditation well likely help your perceptual facilities to realign harmoniously.
Best of journies!
 
I wouldn't be too quick to blame it on MDMA. E can't "rewire" your brain or affect your vision.

Don't go into the doctors saying "I took MDMA and it fried my brain so I see visual snow". Just tell him your symptoms and see what he says.
 
if you think your seeing stuff now wait till you eat some mushies =D expect green and purple snow...but always remember 'don't eat the yellow snow' ;)
 
As laugh points out - you must have a healthy fear of yellow snow. Particularly dark yellow/brown.
 
If you want to get rid of the visual snow don't use any drugs including mushrooms and pot for awhile like months or even half a year. I agree that meditation also helps.
 
Please don't use SWIM/third person/disclaimers etc. These sorts of things will not hold up in a court of law or help protect you from law enforcement - if you're really concerned and want to avoid getting in trouble with the law, avoid mentioning purchases of *large* amounts, dealing, trafficking etc, use a different email and username on drug sites to other sites you use, and consider using a proxy to access them - these sorts of things can help protect you, SWIM/disclaimers/etc don't protect you in the slightest.

Beyond that, SWIM/disclaimers/third person talk all look silly and clutter up the forum so we don't allow them here, as such I've removed the disclaimers from your posts.

What are you going to be taking on the 31st? I've suffered from visual snow most of my life, though during periods of heavy stimulant use or smoking a lot of weed I tend to find it gets worse. After taking phenethylamine psychedelics like the 2C-X series I also find it tends to worsen..

However, that said, when I've taken 4-AcO-DMT or DMT my visual snow seems to clear up/lessen temporarily, and this is a consistent result I've had every time I've taken them.

I still wouldn't advise someone to trip to "cure" this visual artifact as everyone is different and it may not have the same result for you as it did for me, but I'd definitely recommend you go for a tryptamine rather than a phenethylamine for your trip on the 31st, since at the very least - phenethylamines (oh which MDMA is one!) are much more notorious for lasting visuals.
 
@Ismene This happened pretty immediately after E, and E is known to cause this affect, so I WILL be quick to blame the E, lol.

Ok man, as long as you wern't TOO quick tho! ;)

Yeah if you can avoid telling your doctor you take drugs then it would be better - there's no telling how that kind of information might come back and bite you one day once it's on a permanent official record.
 
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