13th Issue Heroin Discussion v. fuck hope do dope

[SM0K3Y]

when i had those coupple hundred OCs..not only did i get myself hooked..i know i got a few other people hooked..but i look at it like i didnt force to eat them or i didnt even really push them on people,i told them oncce and that was it. i was selling them cheap though cause i had so many and a few people went from buying one on the weekend to buying 5. now they said they were selling them and getting 2 for free, which i believed until i started running low and was keeping them for myself..

i swear they didnt believe me when i said they were drying up cause i had an unlimited supply for a few months and i never told them how many i actually had just that i could get them. and when i said i cvouldnt get no more, one kid like wanted to fight me and called me a liar and all this other shit and thats when i realized they wernt selling those pills they were eating them themselves and then i told them i could get more but they were the normal price and then the one kid flipped on me for that and i just told them that they are from a different person cause that old connect dried up. if he wanted them i could get them but i was only buying what he wanted cause they are too expensive and that went on for 2weeks until i told him that the new guy was out and wont be getting a new script til the next month and he stopped calling afterthat..ran into him a couyple months later and he was shooting dope and apologized for not calling me to get them OCs any more but he stopped eating them. and i was likew good for you for getting clean and he was like well i do dope now instead, its so much cheaper and a better high and when he told me that i felt kinda bad

but i didnt for long cause like i said i didnt force him to take them, he bought them on his own and i damn sure never talked about dope with him and he progressed to shooting it. plus he used pills before i had my hookup, so its not like i got him started on them, i just had a ton for a cheaper price and thats why he called me..

Sounds like a common theme. Same shit happened with the opanas. I wrote all about in the blog I started. But yea I was getting opanas dirt cheap (can't say the price, but it got down to the single digits at times) and my guy switched to 30's and start getting off opana's I had to find them elsewhere. People where selling them for more than 80's. Which was quite a bit. I could have got a lot of dope for the price of 1 opana. I know that situation man.

lol a dremel..pipe clamp dont work no more huh? i use dto love shaving OCs with a pipe clamp..people would see me doing it and they would be like youre wasting so much time,just break it up with a card and i would then be like sure if you want to waste it, you might as well just eat he pill if your gonna just break it down with a card

they never understood, well i know 1 buddy who did and he would shave them too but everyone else i knew alwasys just used a card

Yep, when I first got the opanas I shaved them with a pipe clamp and it came out beautiful. Now with the tamper proofs it's almost like gum. Not kidding. Dremel is the best option inside of a dried water bottle.

 

[Tommyboy]

and argh, that half hour of pure anxiety when you front your connect the money for your dope so they can reup...is absolutely hell

It is the worst. That's why I only cop when I can go for the ride now. At first they were like "oh, you don't trust me anymore?" but then I told them that the anxiety I get while waiting for them to come back with my dope after I pay them is not worth it for me to score, so the only way I will do it is if I go for the ride. Its worked out so far, and I only had one real argument over it, and that's since been resolved since he was the one waiting on bags more recently, so he totally saw where I was coming from.

I haven't done any dope since monday. That sounds like a small feat but with availability and me getting called into work (which is down the block from my dealer) while sick, it took a little bit of willpower not to get some dope. I'm not sure if Saturday is too soon to cop, but I'm really only copping on weekends now. My weekday dealer has been charging me too much, so unless that changes I'm going to stick with my weekend dude.

 

[chinky]

yeah i was getting 80s for single digits but thats cause the lady needed money and didnt want to sell them herself once her husband died. and like you all know cause ive told this story a few times..she had bars that were bqsically for pennies on the dollar too...i just got lucky cause she called me first (i think i called her husband a few times and he didnt answer and she called me back and told me what happened) and i wasnt gonna let anyone get them ... so i bought them all and she was more then grateful, i guess i was really helping her out but she lost 1000s upon thousands cause of the deal

really a once in a lifetime comeup even thouygh it fucked me in the big picture cause it gave me an addiction i didnt have before but i would still do that deal everytime, i dont know who wou8ldnt

 

[McHigh_HMG]

This kid told me that he had 30s in the single digits before so i said i would buy a whole bunch of em and then he showed em to me and they were a bunch of vicodins... I got so mad that this kid was an idiot, i literally wanted to just take the vics from him and tell him hes beat but... I didnt. I wouldve been suped if he wasnt a dumb fuck.

 

[chinky]

the old man was slick cause he said he had a script for them and would only sell so many per month cause he needed the rest and thats how he did it so we wouldnt argue over the price and he could get basically top dollar for them. he still sold them cheaper then anyone else i knew and i was able to buy mine and sell a couple to get them super cheap or get them for free and make some cash for myself depending how many he "had left over" ..turns out the old man had a superstash of almost 200 of them (not including the bars)and he was slick and just played games with us so wouldnt try and get them cheaper or try and rob him and i guess he had a couple other people he would sell to and he told them the same story so he was making bank..

this guy was in his 50s at least and his wife was just as old and she didnt want to the hassle of haveing a bunch of 20somethings drug addicts to come to her house when shes by herself. she thought it was only time til she got robbed and so she just made me an offer i couldnt refuse even though i dont think she knew the real price her husband sold them for but she knew i hustled weed cause i would trade her husband weed for pills sometimes. so she figured i had money to buy them all and thats why she called me first

 

[verso]

Man, these past couple of days have been crazy. We saw our guy yesterday, and we think that he must have screwed up because we had enough money for 15 bags, and he knew that, but he ended up giving us 20 bags. He'll hook it up sometimes, but he's never given us that many bags before.

I wasn't even sure of how many bags he gave me until I got back into the car and began unwrapping everything. I could see right away that he had given me a half bundle of blanks (no stamp) that were supposed to be really, really good -- which we later confirmed, of course lol; those five bags were folded, taped shut and had an elastic band around them. Then I checked out the other "bundle" and it looked like 10 bags, but I counted them out... 1, 2, 3... 6, 7, 8... 11, 12, 13... 15 bags!

It looked like a bundle, just 10 bags, because the bags weren't taped shut; they were simply folded in half one time and then wrapped with a rubber band around them. I debated calling him back to tell him what happened, but I thought that it would be better if we just waited to see whether or not he would notice, in which case we could tell him that we were just about home already and we hadn't yet counted the bags out and I would just pay him back for the extra bags the next time I saw him.

He never ended up calling or bringing it up, so who knows what happened. It could be that he was feeling generous; the first "bundle" had 15 bags in it, so he must have put it together knowing that I only had enough money for 15 bags. (shrugs)

But anyway, the dope was really, really good and we saw our guy again today to pick up more. It sounds stupid, I know, but this dope is like... it's like the perfect dope. It's the perfect color, perfect consistency, entirely uniform both in color and consistency, extremely bitter-tasting... guh now I want MOAR! lol

 

[McHigh_HMG]

That sounds like the shit i dream about right before i go to cop.

Tomorrow im goin down so hopefully ill get some good bags. Last friday i got some bangin shit but the bags were on the small side.

 

[Swain]

in my experience if you sniff, an average paterson (north jersey) bag, which are only a few bucks, is equal or better to sniffing a 30mg oxy IR. If you shoot theres no comparison. When I first did dope I used to switch back and forth until I got good heroin for the first time. Then never looked back considering I can get 6 bags of dope for the price of one 30mg oxy IR... I went from spending $220 a day to $50 for what was essentially the same exact habit at least in my eyes. Just in time too because my money was depleted after a few years of doin that shit.

Shooting one of those bags is equal to like 60-100mg oxy. So you do the math lol.

I think back to all the years I did oxy and all the money I blew before switching to dope. Total and utter waste. When I used to sniff the high was so similar it kind of blew my mind when I first tried dope. I thought heroin was going to be insane or something and it was practically the same drug in my eyes. I know in other parts of the country/world heroin sometimes is shitty, or has weird cuts.. but I can't remember the last time I got a bunk bag of dope.

If you shoot a bundle a day of NJ bags, it's an astronomical difference in cost if you were going to sustain your habit with oxy.

If great heroin was hard to find I would maybe fuck with painkillers again but that's far from the case lol. My purchasing habits went from having to 'know' suburban type dealers for oxy and having to play their games...wait an hour etc.... to having what is essentially multiple Super Walmarts of open air where the fire never stops flowing.

Oh and speedballs.. alcohol and dope is a dangerous combo too. I don't know facts/statistics but I am willing to bet more OD's happen from downer/downer comboes rather than upper/downer comboes. Especially dope and benzos, but alcohol can put your dope high over the fatal limit too. If I was in my 60s or something I wouldn't fuck with speedballs but I like to think my heart is pretty healthy. Not that this means anything, but out of hundreds and hundreds of speedballs I never felt any bad effects. That doesn't mean I havn't taken 10 years off my life though lol. But like someone else said..the worst thing about speedballs isn't the initial health risk in my opinion, it's the mega coke/dope fiend it turns you into. Shooting good coke is by far the best rush I have ever felt and I am confident to say exists. Mix in some dope and it's pure bliss, all the good with none of the bad (paranoia, comedowns, etc..).

Once you shoot coke for the first time no matter what you tell your self, it will not be your last. It turns it into a completely different drug.

 

[chinky]

when i first made the switch, i figured one bag of dope to be equal to 80-100mgs of OC..cause when i made that switch i needed 2 bags and i was super high and like i said if i was using OCs i needed about 2- 2.5 OC 80s..so yeah but our bags are always .1 at least and i know NY/NJ bags are never that big. but if they were then thats about equal to the same then right?

 

[McHigh_HMG]

I wisshhhhh i was paying what your paying for bags. Thats fuckin ridiculous that theyre so cheap.,

 

[Swain]

I wisshhhhh i was paying what your paying for bags. Thats fuckin ridiculous that theyre so cheap.,

NJ bags are 1/3-1/2 the size of NYC bags but also half the price. I usually cop my dope in NYC, its worth the extra $.. But it is nice to be able to get a few bags for next to nothing if your broke..

But yeah in just speaking in generalities, heroin is fucking cheap here lol.

@@chinky, yeah NJ bags are NOT 100mg that is for sure. NJ bags range from 20-40mg on average, NYC bags range from 40-100mg on average. I religiously weigh my bags like ADD style lol.

When I was making the heroin->oxy comparison I was talking about a 20-40mg Paterson NJ bag being equal to sniffing a 30mg oxy.. that is my experience atleast. You ahve to remember though bags are just a few bucks in ptown albeit they are small, but def very pure I would stake my life that they are on average 60% pure +. You'd need 3 bundles to have a solid gram with NJ shit.. but considering a brick(50 bags) costs about the same as buying 10x 30mg oxy IR's, in my eyes theres no reason not to make the switch. If I had to worry about injecting harmful cuts or something that would be different but in the thousands of bags I shot I have never once had even remotely a weird reaction not to mention 90% of bags mix up as beautiful 100% translucent like gingerale around here.

You get what you pay for. Chicago is pretty solid for a dope city so I doubt heroin is much cheaper/better here then by you, what I like is we have the branding/stamp system which is universal all over NJ/NYC. From what you describe it sounds like potency is right on par with us. I have never come across someone selling grams or anything of the sort when it comes to dope. It just does not exist around here. Unless some dude just flew it in from Detroit lol.

ARound here it probably only gets cut twice since it is manufactured, once overseas then once when it comes in off the boat/plane. Once it hits NYC/NJ ports it's milled/packaged/stamped.. and if you read busts around nj/ny they are finding like 10,000 bundles at once of a particular stamp at these little mills spread throughout the state when they are lucky enough to actually bust one of the MANY haha. So even the HIGH level dealers are dealing with pre-made stamp bags.

There is no way in FUCK the street level dealers or the people they are buying from have anythign to do with the buying/cutting process around here.

Coke on the other hand.. I am confident that the 'good' shit we get has been stomped on like 8 times..the shitty shit is usually stomped on by a street level dealer with baking soda making the utter-lowest quality shit. The good street level dealers around here just buy and resell. Once coke reaches street level the LAST thing it needs is another cut lol. On average I do 100mg shots and that can range from a lil rush to a nice bellringer. If the coke was even remotely near pure that would kill me or anyone lol

 

[McHigh_HMG]

Are the bags at least of decent quality? The bags out here are small but once in a while theyre big and ive never had bags directly from the city so i dont know how big they are.

 

[Swain]

Are the bags at least of decent quality? The bags out here are small but once in a while theyre big and ive never had bags directly from the city so i dont know how big they are.

Fuck yeah the are decent quality. They are good as fuck. Very pure other wise a bag that small would not begin to stack up to a 30mg oxy if you are sniffing.

I can;'t remember the last tikme I didn't get nice fluffy white dope that mixed up beautiful with cold water like ginger ale, absolutely nothing left behind not even residue in the cooker. The dope honestly looks the same before and after cotton filtering its so clean.

I would take a single decent single nj/nyc bag over shooting an og 80mg oc ANY day.

 

[chinky]

yeah dope in ny/nj are way cheaper but you normally only get 10 per bundle, wher eas jabs here are generally 12-14 but always cost XXX flat...so if you break it down we are paying right around the same price per bag maybe a doller more but you got to spend XXX to get it..i would rather get your bundles then have to spend that extra money and get a couple extra bags for "free"..

plus id rather have smaller bags of stronger dope then bigger bags of someshit thats got a bunch of dormin thrown on it..but we get them fire batches that are the smae size as usual but way stronger then normal..thats when our bags are better then ny/nj bags..we also dont have the cinsistancy that you guys have, where a single stamp might be around for months and is just as good on the last day as it was 2months ago when you first got it. here it all depends on your dealer and your deralers connect...most dealers will always add the same amount of cut to the same amount of "raw", but certain bags are better bc it just depends on how good the "raw" is...like i might cop on monday and need 8 bags to get high, then i go again on thursday and i might only need 5 bags..it sucks but sometimes its good..especially when its good, i just call my connect up and let him know and then he goes and cops as much of it as he can from his people, so it stays around as long as possible which i think is generally a month at the longest, we did have like a solid 3-4 month run but that ended and now its hit or miss..like ive found a new connect bc of it and thats shitty but thats what happens

 

[SM0K3Y]

I'll have to see whats up with NY bags, I keep seeing everyone post about NJ bags being small. Down here in camden the bags are pretty fat most of the time and it's usually fire as long as you know your way around. I'll have to find the old post with the picture of the bags I'm getting now. I had a friend play the middle man (I posted about it in 12th issue discussion) who I knew was shorting me on bags. Turned out he was getting 15/bundle and telling me only 12. Plus he was taxing me when I was getting only 12 of the 15. I ended up cutting him off (after encouragement from Verso) and now I'm getting steady 14/bundle if it's 1 or 2, and 15-16/bundle if it's 3 or more. Or if I bought from him recently in the past day or two prior.

It's always nice dealing with higher up guys, and like I said before, Never buy from young kids. Nothing good has ever come from me buying from a young guy.

 

[Swain]

I'll have to see whats up with NY bags, I keep seeing everyone post about NJ bags being small. Down here in camden the bags are pretty fat most of the time and it's usually fire as long as you know your way around. I'll have to find the old post with the picture of the bags I'm getting now. I had a friend play the middle man (I posted about it in 12th issue discussion) who I knew was shorting me on bags. Turned out he was getting 15/bundle and telling me only 12. Plus he was taxing me when I was getting only 12 of the 15. I ended up cutting him off (after encouragement from Verso) and now I'm getting steady 14/bundle if it's 1 or 2, and 15-16/bundle if it's 3 or more. Or if I bought from him recently in the past day or two prior.

It's always nice dealing with higher up guys, and like I said before, Never buy from young kids. Nothing good has ever come from me buying from a young guy.

Camden is an acception. IME camden bags are equal in size and price to NY bags.

 

[McHigh_HMG]

Going down today and honestly i cant wait. I woke up nice and early just to make sure i domt miss out

 

[verso]

I ended up cutting him off (after encouragement from Verso) and now I'm getting steady 14/bundle if it's 1 or 2, and 15-16/bundle if it's 3 or more. Or if I bought from him recently in the past day or two prior.

It's always nice dealing with higher up guys, and like I said before, Never buy from young kids. Nothing good has ever come from me buying from a young guy.

Glad I could help you out. :D

 

[The Rock Monster]

whatsup fools, just droppin in for a minute..

still stayin clean.. getting two days of take homes at the 3 month mark, aug 22. that means that instead of sunday being my only take home dose, saturday and sunday will be take home doses. it takes a year to acquire a week's worth of take homes. eventually one can acquire a 2 month supply, after a few years of clean time on the methadone clinic. its gona be awesome when i only have to go to the clinic once a week..

so ive been staying clean, stacking my bread.. got a bank acc, gettin my checks direct depositted.. lifes gravy.... lovin life atm.. thank god im not using anymore!!! bein strung out is the worst ever........

so wats good with u all

 

[Carl Landrover]

Are the bags at least of decent quality? The bags out here are small but once in a while theyre big and ive never had bags directly from the city so i dont know how big they are.

Where is "out here" that has small bags? Hartford?

The bags in New Haven are pretty big.