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Soo... If I have a sexual preference for other honkys, that means I am racist?
And yet, I can have a sexual preference for men and not be considered sexist?
If I have a sexual preference for asians, is that also racist?
I don't think sexual attraction relates to racism. I'm not very attracted to muscular or chubby men, I like them tall and lanky. Doesn't mean I think muscular and chubby men are less intelligent or abled or civilized than the tall and skeletal ones. Sillyness!
 
Your comparisons are totally irrelevant and amount to little more than obfuscation

I personally have no racial preference since I dont judge entire swathes of people based on geography/skin colour. Silliness. If I met an inuit woman who fulfilled my personal dating criteria I wouldnt pass up the oppurtunity because I have a moral aversion to seal skin.

The only possible non racist impediment to dating a man of x race would be social concerns ie. family/friends disowning you or dislike of certain skin colour. If you have an inexplicable romantic repulsion to men of a certain race how can that not be racist?

Look at indians for example. Their phenotype is vast with some asians looking to all intents and purpose latino. If you have no problem with that phenotype and no social concerns then what stops you from dating an indian? Its a psychological aversion stemming from racism
 
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Is it okay if I dislike African Americans of Baltimore if I've lived in the city for three years and observed the way they live and act?


If youu interact with every AA in Baltimore as if theyre all a trick away from syphilis or a drive thru away from a gunshot wound then that is pretty racist and its highly likely that youll end up extending the same prejudice to other blacks by proxy.
 
If you have an inexplicable romantic repulsion to men of a certain race how can that not be racist?

You'll have to qualify this one further, as this smacks of "I'm more socially conscious than you are" dicksizing. I mean, do you really believe that sexual repellence is a matter of conscious choice? If not, how could such an aversion be considered 'racist' if we are to adhere to the definition that I linked above?

I'm a Caucasian male. I have never encountered an African American to whom I was sexually attracted. Am I a racist? And if so, is that really a problem in this instance? I don't think that Libby's analogy is as specious as you say; I don't choose to be sexually attracted predominately to female humans any more than I can control my preference for Caucasian members of that group.
 
Saying that you havent YET met a black girl you're attracted to is not racist at all since you're open to the possibility that a black woman may possess traits you find attractive. Out of interest what about women like Christina Milian Nicki Minaj and Rihanna etc? I find that men who arent attracted to black women somehow exclude the above.

Its true that non of us can control our sexual attraction since its an unconscious process. However it is shaped in this context by our attitudes to race. The media has a huge part to play since black beauty is a pretty esoteric concept relegated to back ends of Oprah shpws and 5 am BET ad campaigns.

Its all reflexive but then so is racism for the most part. How many people choose to be racist? These attitudes are formed over experience and exposure over time.

Racists have their worldview forged over years and there is rarely a moment that transforms a non racist into a racist apart from traumatic experiences at the hands of an ethnic minority.

When you consider the studies about black people being perceived as having ... negative traits by most white people and perhaps non whites (this wasnt addressed afaik) it becomes apparent that the unwillingness to date ethnic individuals stems from these perceptions which research suggests are universal which ties back into the original question/hypotheses.

Saying "I dont find blacks personally attractive" is just semantically different to "I dont date blacks". One may intimatre a more conscious choice and of course theyre not mutually exclusive. However racists will subscribe to either or of those particular phrases,

What im trying to find out is why a person wont date a person of x race. If there is no apparent reason its highly likely that the reasons are based on subconscious racial assumptions
 
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Its all reflexive but then so is racism for the most part. How many people choose to be racist? These attitudes are formed over experience and exposure over time.

Well, this is really the point on which the whole issue hinges, isn't it? Genuine racism as such differs from such unconscious, knee-jerk phenomena as sexual attraction and lightning quick judgment calls in an obvious way that I shouldn't need to lengthily spell out. For all practical purposes, I'd have to emphatically disagree with your implication that racist social attitudes/theories don't involve consciously selected thought processes. All discussion about whether someone 'chooses' to be a racist, a Marxist, or a nudist is philosophically loaded in the extreme, and ultimately boils down to the hard realities of mechanistic determinism. Because of this fact, 'choice' is a dirty and disingenuous word to throw around in this context - I'm sorry that used it. At the end of the day, nobody 'chooses' to be anything, at least not when you philosophically boil down all common-sense notions of free will and conscious decision-making to their logical conclusions.

But I think you know what I'm getting at. My point was this: There is a striking and significant difference between experiencing sexual attraction/aversion to a person and deciding that you like/hate that person based upon conscious preconceptions and latent social attitudes. Are the two phenomena intertwined? Sure, but they're not conceptually inseparable. Are they affected to varying degrees by the culture that surrounds them? Of course, but that doesn't affect my comparison nor detract from my intended point one way or the other.

Regarding the 'black people perceived as dangerous' thing, I strongly recommend that you read about the field of evolutionary psychology before suggesting that only 'culture' and subtle prejudice are to blame.
 
Wow I'm so sorry I offended you so much. It's not a romantic repulsion btw there are black boys I have sext pxt msged on this very forum lol,, but I do have a preference for white, well more that golden tan aussie colour, not pasty sickly ugly like me lol Everyone has their preferences don't they? Some like brunette, some like blonde. I like boys with Hazel eyes, is that racist? or is that just "my type" I don't consider myself to be a racist person, I guess you do. I'm sorry for any offence.
 
No offense taken whatsoever! Really this is idle postulating no beaing on real life concerns. I started this thread wth the express intention of avoiding accusatory statements.

There is a striking and significant difference between experiencing sexual attraction/aversion to a person and deciding that you like/hate that person based upon conscious preconceptions and latent social attitudes.

Not entirely certain there is insofar as the experience of sexual attraction is based on conscious preconceptions and latent social attitudes. These may exist on a more primal instinctive level but sexual attraction in the racial context is a manifestation of exactly that.
 
Not entirely certain there is insofar as the experience of sexual attraction is based on conscious preconceptions and latent social attitudes.

I refer you to the second paragraph of my previous post.
 
There is some interesting research that suggests that the majority of human beings from any race will never not behave prejudicedly based on race (though not really "race," read on). The research involves measuring the reaction time of "shooting" black assailants in a video game versus white assailants among those who identify as completely non-racist. Game players of all ethnic backgrounds fire on virtual black assailants holding hostages (suggesting they make quicker judgments about criminality using the property of "blackness") significantly faster than virtual white assailants.

In the vast majority of every video game (or even TV show) I've ever played, heard of or seen, hostage takers are wearing black fucking balaclavas. In fact, I can predict with 100% certainty that I will be shooting at black heads tonight. If we're talking about split-second decision making, it's just as likely people are aiming for the black head because that's how we identify terrorists. I mean, who really expects a terrorist to be wearing a pink, white-man coloured balaclava? So this fucking retarded-ass research would have me erroneously pegged as a racist because no doubt I'd be aiming at the black heads first, which completely taints the results because anyone else who plays even just four hours of first-person shooters a week would probably be smart enough to aim for the black first. Or in this case, stupid enough, since we'd be playing into this poorly-designed trap of a study.

There are people from all races who do not show any differences in their reaction times in shooting assailants of different races. These same people also show resistance to forming negative associations with totally value neutral symbols (such as symbols resembling Chinese ideograms) in other tests where attempts to condition negative associations with symbols are made. However, these "resistant" people are the minority. The findings suggest racism has partially to do with purely perceptual generalizations between salient visual properties of objects (where people also count as "objects") that are made independently of the perception of race.

the findings could also suggest that this minority represents people who aren't gamers and thus are willing to indiscriminately shoot just about anyone who winds up in front of them (which has been my experience with noobs).

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Is it okay if I dislike African Americans of Baltimore if I've lived in the city for three years and observed the way they live and act?

Dude, you live in probably the only city in all of America in which the black demographic is the majority. It seems pretty logical, then, that the majority of fuckheads you come across will probably be black. I expect that's not your real opinion but for the sake of argument let me ask why is it okay to hate on a race because every person you've met in that skin tone is a fuckhead? Even if the only two races you've known are white and black, surely some of those white people have been real fuckheads too. If we start hating every race because of the fuckheads in their ranks, who will be left to love?
 
What im saying is that there isnt really a difference between un/concious desire. Both are born from the same source imo

But that's what I'm getting at. You're trying to have it both ways: Either the issue reduces to simple racism or it doesn't. Either it's an issue that should be relegated to the research of evolutionary psychologists or it's a malleable sociocultural issue that is capable of being effectively addressed and, perhaps, solved. Claiming that 'it's both' is just a shameless cop-out and isn't consistent with the snippet that I quoted above; claiming that it's neither is simply unreasonable. So which is it? What is this 'source' of which you speak?

If we start hating every race because of the fuckheads in their ranks, etc.

Well, a big part of the problem is that this particular cognitive technique actually tends to 'work' when applied to tasks other than the evaluation of broad social groups - the awareness of 'racism' per se (at least as it's understood in contemporary Western society) is really quite new. Also, be warned - the flip side of your contention is the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.
 
I mean, who really expects a terrorist to be wearing a pink, white-man coloured balaclava? So this fucking retarded-ass research would have me erroneously pegged as a racist because no doubt I'd be aiming at the black heads first, which completely taints the results because anyone else who plays even just four hours of first-person shooters a week would probably be smart enough to aim for the black first. Or in this case, stupid enough, since we'd be playing into this poorly-designed trap of a study.



the findings could also suggest that this minority represents people who aren't gamers and thus are willing to indiscriminately shoot just about anyone who winds up in front of them (which has been my experience with noobs).
That’s quite the far-ranging and emphatic denunciation of a study I’ve not even linked to, heh. I was merely broadly summarizing research (actually a number of studies) to make a point about how certain aspects of what might be perceived as racist behavior can be connected to perceptual heuristics that have little to do with what we would normal consider connected to racism. You don't just attack your straw men you cook'em alive and feed them to their straw children don't'cha?

No offense. I enjoyed reading that well enough, it's just I thought this was a diatribe-free zone?
 
I think this has derailed a little. I'll tack about a bit. The argument posed is that sexual desire is involuntary. Agreed. However when a person has racist attitudes these inevitably effect their sexual preferences when the question of race emerges. Sexual desire is formed through sensory experience religious affiliation childhood exposure personality etc etc but in the racial context there arent all that many criteria you can use other than skin colour and social implications. No race is homogenised in any significant way.

My original point was that deciding you dont like a race and sexual attration (un/conscious desire) both are induced through the same experiences. The ethnic father of your child running out on you will inform both conscious and unconscious assumpptions preferences and choices. Same source

The whole issue isnt either or. Its sociological and biological - were in the psychological dimension where things arent black and white. The science of desire can be approached from multiple angles.
The mind demonstrates neuroplasticity so the study of the mind should be similarly malleable
 
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EU is obviously more technologically advanced but that wasnt always the case. Europe used to be barbaric in comparison to islamic and african empires. Ancient Egypt was an african regime as were the zulu Benin Timbuktu etc etc empires. There is alot of archaeological evidence pointing to higher civilisation existing in sub saharan africa pre european civilisation.
Most of this is lost to the desert however and the effect of infighting and warring factions tore africa apart. Egypt is often attributed to the middle east when it was an afro-asiatic society comparab to le in its duality to say russia or parts of eastern europe which are neither asian nor european.

This is of no importance to the topic currently being discussed anyways.It sounds very much like an attempt to justify racism - referral to the white nationalist forum
 
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This is of no importance to any issue in this thread anyways.Its an attempt to justify racism - referral to the white nationalist forum
Ok. I thought it was relevant to the idea of "white superiority bred into western society."
It was your question, after all. If you seek to define 'what is important' in answering your question, one wonders whether it was a question that you even sought to answer. Good luck in spreading your biased beliefs onto others; to me it seems like a rather pathetic viewpoint to be holding.
How you construed my question about your perception of history to be something that 'justifies racism' is something that you should consider. It speaks very loudly about your prejudiced outlook.

For what it's worth, I am Indian. This is for the benefit of others - not you. The fact that you assumed that I was white, a 'nationalist' (I live in India, not the USA), and 'racist' is bizarre. How you gained such 'insight' can only be put down to prejudice.
 
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Apologies I will say that looking at the west's relationship with the world historically is definitely relevant and opens up the discussion some. Looking at the history we can actually examine how the west has defined itself through time and how that might have contributed towards its perception as a superpower.

Just the semantic arrangement its starkness and the fact that it was so obvious as to be declarative was very easy to misconstrue.

Im probably alot more defensive than I originally thought if im honest. Its not the first misunderstanding in this thread and it wont be the last. A heated issue it is and heated debate will ensue. Get used to it and diffuse diffuse diffuse

Anyways this thread needs another ethnic perspective - feel free to post without censure.
 
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In the vast majority of every video game (or even TV show) I've ever played, heard of or seen, hostage takers are wearing black fucking balaclavas. In fact, I can predict with 100% certainty that I will be shooting at black heads tonight. If we're talking about split-second decision making, it's just as likely people are aiming for the black head because that's how we identify terrorists. I mean, who really expects a terrorist to be wearing a pink, white-man coloured balaclava? So this fucking retarded-ass research would have me erroneously pegged as a racist because no doubt I'd be aiming at the black heads first, which completely taints the results because anyone else who plays even just four hours of first-person shooters a week would probably be smart enough to aim for the black first. Or in this case, stupid enough, since we'd be playing into this poorly-designed trap of a study.



the findings could also suggest that this minority represents people who aren't gamers and thus are willing to indiscriminately shoot just about anyone who winds up in front of them (which has been my experience with noobs).



Dude, you live in probably the only city in all of America in which the black demographic is the majority. It seems pretty logical, then, that the majority of fuckheads you come across will probably be black. I expect that's not your real opinion but for the sake of argument let me ask why is it okay to hate on a race because every person you've met in that skin tone is a fuckhead? Even if the only two races you've known are white and black, surely some of those white people have been real fuckheads too. If we start hating every race because of the fuckheads in their ranks, who will be left to love?

I would have thought that Baltimore would represent a variegated cross section of the black community. On one hand the wire represents the scum of the earth but on the other hand media portrayals being what they are things could be similar to golden era harlem in which there was real negro diversity
 
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Europe used to be barbaric in comparison to islamic and african empires. Ancient Egypt was an african regime as were the zulu Benin Timbuktu etc etc empires. There is alot of archaeological evidence pointing to higher civilisation existing in sub saharan africa pre european civilisation.

Eh, another contrarian copout. Yet again, you've reached for the mark and gone too far. As a third-generation paternal child of Italian immigrants, I hope that I don't court too much hostility with the following (Eurocentric) sentence: As a rule, the most intellectually/technologically 'advanced' societies ever to have existed historically were peopled predominately by Caucasians and Arabs, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself (or others) otherwise. That said, I'm not certain what this fact actually says about Negroid, Caucasian, Arab, or green people, if anything - race could very easily be a red herring in this instance, hence the prevailing contemporary suspicion of racist attitudes. But, as a rule, white people had indeed been coming out technologically 'on top' vis a vis Africa for millenia prior to colonialism. During the formative years of globalization, modernism, and colonialism, perception of these differences in 'development' were only strengthened by a brutal combination of rationalization and real-world comparison. European conquerors didn't arrive on the shores of their 'Indies' to discover anything more 'advanced' than a lavish palace or two and perhaps some relatively sophisticated astronomy; they knew their place well enough, and abused it to horrible ends. By no means am I claiming that Europe was a more desirable or interesting place to live in that particular historical period, but it bears repeating that the Caucasian peoples enjoy their dubious reputation for a real reason, for better or worse. Unless you refuse to count Greece and Italy in your summary of European history, you'll have to make room in your final analysis for the disagreeable reality that, when compared to Europeans, the Negroid peoples have, historically, been generally sucking at almost every conceivable thing for a Very Long Time; in Africa, it would seem, this continues to the present day.

Also, I must remind you that Egypt does not enjoy a legacy of an enlightened, humanistically superlative civilization in its own time. For the bulk of its history, it was a veritable hotbed of slavery and decadence, much like anywhere else in the world in that era. Their agricultural and architectural achievements aside, Egypt wasn't a particularly desirable place to be before and during the age of antiquity. For instance: Ancient Egyptian mathematics (developed, presumably, over thousands of years) were nowhere near as advanced as those of the ancient Greeks (who apparently had about a third of the time or less). I must repeat that I'm not claiming any universal racial/cultural superiority here; but history and its respective methods don't suddenly and dramatically change because the facts that they suggest happen to make us feel uncomfortable.

In conclusion, I'll say that I certainly don't believe that Caucasians have ever achieved anything of tangible worth or merit by any virtue of their skin color as such (excepting cases wherein skin color practically mattered, racism, etc.). However, it is clear that, while historical rationalization is rampant in Western civilization, most attempts at historical deflation must resort to glib apologetics and revisionism to de-whitewash history of its perceived biases; in short, most critiques go too far, assuming (wrongly) that anti-racist momentum will spare them from a more sober assessment. It is important not to forget the fact that White people have (historically, at least) 'won' at others' expense - and this is a big part of the reason why we are having this conversation in the first place. Race and all of its associated cultural butthurt stem predominately from miserable facts, not unfounded prejudices. People grow up in a society riddled with racial hostilities, encounter terrible race relations--->they become racists themselves. This cycle is well known, and is not liable be upended by mere appeal to words like 'political correctness,' 'racism,' or 'prejudice.' If you taste a food that you dislike, is it unreasonable to walk away dissatisfied with that specific type of food itself, as opposed to the particular cook? Maybe the first time, but the second? The third? The tenth? This is what I meant in my post above when I mentioned that these cognitive tricks 'work' in settings that don't principally involve social groups. Again, this is not an attempted apology for racist attitudes by a long shot - but I am compelled to remind you that racism isn't such a simple issue, nor is it a politically closed book with the Good Guys on the left and the Bad Guys on the right.
 
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