British Man, 21, Faces Death Sentence In United Arab Emirates

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

It does matter, when discussing real subjects when genuinely wanting to learn new things or understand someone's point of view.

if you can't understand why that's important, then maybe you are a sociopath.

[edit] I have zero problem with being classed as being intollerant of bullshit in this matter. zero

You are intolerant of people who challenge your view of the world, that's the point. Not bullshit. You are just telling yourself it's bullshit to try and protect an image of yourself in your head, like I said. You have zero interest in trying to learn anything new, it doesn't matter what information I present you with. Your opinions are fixed in granite. I understand your point of view, it is always the most overly simplistic view of something on the ground. You can never see an issue as a whole, or remove the feeling from it, which it is almost exclusively based on.

 

[Marmalade]

have a different point of view by all means. I will make effort, as I have done, and you've acknowledge that too

talk bullshit continually and deliberately and lie and confess to exaggeration to get a reaction, and it's just nonsense.

you're likely a sociopath, and you don't show any signs of understanding empathy, and for that I pity you. lies and bullshit regarding things that are important to me are not worth engaging in

 

[watsons torment]

You just made me realise i'm schizophrenic. Thanks

this forum would be a less interesting place to visit without MSBotfly, I see him (sometimes) expertly & clearly trolling the fuck out of the 'guardians' (my new name for this non clique of possible guardian readers) for his own amusement yet they bite every time. if you really think he is so full of shit, just ignore him. If they gave out PHDs in trolling MSBotfly would have at least 2 and be working on his 3rd, as well as trolling he also mixes it up with intelligent and informative posts - the true sign of a master at work.

I for one am in constant awe and wish to sign up as his padawan

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I already tried to explain that it isn't lies and bullshit but you are obviously too simple to understand. Your extreme nature just pushes me to be more extreme than I actually am in real life. I do believe what I say, just not as strongly as presented. Once again you are looking for verification that you are the person you think you are: you aren't. The effort you put in was to stop ganging up with others to chime in with bullshit like this, and it's out the window. I don't care if you genuninely believe it, I leave more common sense down the toilet than you post. You don't tolerate people with different viewpoints, that is a LIE. Others have expressed that they can see it time and again, like I said. Others have even said you're an intolerant bullshit peddler in this very thread but it's just flown over your head. You really are incapable of introspection in any way shape or form.

 

[monstanoodle]

A 21 year old bloke has the death sentence peeps - Back on topic if you wouldn't mind?

 

[Marmalade]

this forum would be a less interesting place to visit without MSBotfly, I see him (sometimes) expertly & clearly trolling the fuck out of the 'guardians' (my new name for this non clique of possible guardian readers) for his own amusement yet they bite every time. if you really think he is so full of shit, just ignore him. If they gave out PHDs in trolling MSBotfly would have at least 2 and be working on his 3rd, as well as trolling he also mixes it up with intelligent and informative posts - the true sign of a master at work.

I for one am in constant awe and wish to sign up as his padawan

I don't mind trolls per se ... but when someone claims to be serious, and then claims to not be, ... then apologises in PMs to make it personal and appear like he's geniuine ... that's worthy of distrust and not believing the whole 'I'm above all that and this is all just part of my plan bullshit' imo. maybe we have different benchmarks or whatever on that level. and maybe I'm just too serious. it's a distinct possibility, but I don't get involved with disengenous people in real life, and nor will I on an interpersonal level in a forum (and I'm happy to just keep it to surface level bullshit normally). satire takes skill and an extensive knowledge of the subject matter above all those participating.

apologies via PMs tells me he's not the clever person he's trying to appear like. same goes for other information he's revealed in PMs

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

What is there to talk about monsta? We are all in agreement about the issue of the guy being killed; It is sick and wrong. There is nothing left to say. Much like every thread would be if it weren't for my amazingness.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I don't mind trolls per se ... but when someone claims to be serious, and then claims to not be, ... then apologises in PMs to make it personal and appear like he's geniuine ... that's worthy of distrust and not believing the whole 'I'm above all that and this is all just part of my plan bullshit' imo. maybe we have different benchmarks or whatever on that level. and maybe I'm just too serious. it's a distinct possibility, but I don't get involved with disengenous people in real life, and nor will I on an interpersonal level in a forum (and I'm happy to just keep it to surface level bullshit normally). satire takes skill and an extensive knowledge of the subject matter above all those participating.

apologies via PMs tells me he's not the clever person he's trying to appear like. same goes for other information he's revealed in PMs

So basically, my nature of flitting between being serious and trolling just confuses you, which in turn reveals you aren't intelligent enough to 'get it', which in turn requires you to put up the barriers and put on the blinkers? Despite my nature of switching between the two, sometimes within the same post, I am capable of apologising when i've gone too far because I was fucked off my chops testing a new chemical. If you want to use that against me, then it just shows you are even further from being the person you think you are than I had anticipated. And as for you saying you don't get involved with disengenous people in real life - if my nature and personality means plebs like you don't engage with me, cheers for providing me with the motivation to delve even further down this route. I would love to never have to interact with the Sams and Marmz of this world, whilst exclusively associating with the Watsons, Botflys and PTCH's.

tl;dr - please do what you say you're going to do, and ignore me. Just fuck off. You are no loss to me. It takes intelligence you don't possess to get why or what I am doing. It is a filter to get people like you as far away from me as possible, so please just stop interacting with me.

 

[botfly]

Did this arguement start with the Islam thing? If so well it's clear that dictators in these countries are using Islam politically and literally to justify the treatment of their citizens. If the Bible was used literally and politically then we'd probably see the same sort of treatment in Europe. I don't know how much each book differs but I think they have a similar message albeit contradictory.
I think the dictators use it to their advantage and the populations still tend to hold themselves to the Quran a lot which makes them more maleable or controllable. I'm not religious but think they can both teach good things like values, principles etc. I'm spiritual but not religous.
I also think the West is hypocritical in it's effort to spread democracy when it props up the Saudi Royal family which imposes some of the harshest laws on the planet funnily enough where the so called 9/11 hijackers came from. I think it needs a two pronged effort, one the West stops bombing the shit out of Muslim countries and making them turn to religion when they see their familes being blown apart etc and two: Muslims themselves need to stop being so religious as a way of life. If you look at Turkey which is a Muslim country, it's quite tolerant and open compared with the rest of the middle east; it's becoming more secualr which is what the Middle East needs.

 

[spudgun]

Isn't it awful? Bluelight bake-sale anyone?

 

[Marmalade]

@ Botfly: the west is hypocritical in many ways, propping up the Saudi Royal family being just one. Nauseating stuff really

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Did this arguement start with the Islam thing? If so well it's clear that dictators in these countries are using Islam politically and literally to justify the treatment of their citizens. If the Bible was used literally and politically then we'd probably see the same sort of treatment in Europe. I don't know how much each book differs but I think they have a similar message albeit contradictory.
I think the dictators use it to their advantage and the populations still tend to hold themselves to the Quran a lot which makes them more maleable or controllable. I'm not religious but think they can both teach good things like values, principles etc. I'm spiritual but not religous.
I also think the West is hypocritical in it's effort to spread democracy when it props up the Saudi Royal family which imposes some of the harshest laws on the planet funnily enough where the so called 9/11 hijackers came from. I think it needs a two pronged effort, one the West stops bombing the shit out of Muslim countries and making them turn to religion when they see their familes being blown apart etc and two: Muslims themselves need to stop being so religious as a way of life. If you look at Turkey which is a Muslim country, it's quite tolerant and open compared with the rest of the middle east; it's becoming more secualr which is what the Middle East needs.

Strangely enough the death penalty for drugs is totally un-Quaranic. I'm pretty sure the Arabs have used and sold hashish for centuries. They are traders, and it is one of their key products after all. re: The West being hypocritical. It doesn't really have any choice whatsoever. You're a realistic, surely you see this? If they stopped dealing with every country that had an authoritatarian leadership on principle, it would be no skin off their nose, but we wouldn't be able to do business with 3/4 of the world! We wouldn't have any oil, because we wouldn't work with many places in the Middle East, or Russia for that matter. We wouldn't have any products because we wouldn't deal with China. etc. Does that mean that we shouldn't try and help where and when we can though? That's the question. Edit: I believe it's called realpolitik?

 

[Marmalade]

tl;dr - please do what you say you're going to do, and ignore me. Just fuck off. You are no loss to me. It takes intelligence you don't possess to get why or what I am doing. It is a filter to get people like you as far away from me as possible, so please just stop interacting with me.

only if you promise not to PM me disengenuous apologies?

obviously I jest. I'll reply as and when I feel like it. deal with it, or ignore me. your choice. 20/80 and all that incl

 

[botfly]

Strangely enough the death penalty for drugs is totally un-Quaranic. I'm pretty sure the Arabs have used and sold hashish for centuries. They are traders, and it is one of their key products after all. re: The West being hypocritical. It doesn't really have any choice whatsoever. You're a realistic, surely you see this? If they stopped dealing with every country that had an authoritatarian leadership on principle, it would be no skin off their nose, but we wouldn't be able to do business with 3/4 of the world! We wouldn't have any oil, because we wouldn't work with many places in the Middle East, or Russia for that matter. We wouldn't have any products because we wouldn't deal with China. etc. Does that mean that we shouldn't try and help where and when we can though? That's the question. Edit: I believe it's called realpolitik?

But the West is always meddling in the ME's political affairs though and likes to overthrow democratically elected leaders who they don't like and install dictators such as with the 1953 Iranian coup d'etat.
My main men Ron Paul and Nigel Farage have the right idea: stop interventionist wars against the dictators that we installed and lead by example in promoting freedom, fairness and prosperity for all in our own countries which in turn they'll want to emulate.
Even some of 'liberal's' in this country were up in arms about Gaddafi and wanted us to bomb the shit out of Libya to save the people even though he wasn't really that bad compared our other puppets having provided free energy, education, homes etc. the Libyans had the best living standards in Africa and most of the Middle East but thousands have been slaughtered since he got overthrown. Apparently he was targeted because he was about to introduce a gold backed Dinar delinked from the dollar, build a pan african water system etc but I'm not sure if that's just a conspiracy theory.
The Western leader/bankers/crooks can be some real cunts. We can't have people living comfortably though or then the elite wouldn't have anyone to screw. But we must make the distinction when saying 'The West'. It's not the people but rather the criminals that rule us through economic terrorism and in those countries actual terrorism.
Overall I'm not sure if the Middle East is ready for secular democracy, most appear to hold Islam dearly to their hearts as a way of life? I'm sure most people in it are desperate for more freedom but some Muslims need to get rid of this 'honour' mindset. You even see it in the UK with these honour killings and whatnot, they kill their own daughters in the name of honour. Not sure if that has any link to Islam though. That's a tiny minority though and I'm sure it's the same in the Middle East. At the end of the day to quote Ill Bill ''We all want money, drugs and bitches, anybody that don't rubs me suspicious''.

 

[Psych0naut]

As has been said, the totally ridiculous and autocratic way the Arab nations are ruled have nothing to do with Islam, that religion is solely used to control it's people. Saudi Arabia is the most obvious example. The national religion in Saudi Arabia is Wahabism which is an ultra extremist form of Islam which one of the Saudi kings introduced somewhere during the birth of their kingdom 200 years ago. Wahabism goes against he Koran in so many ways it's almost like scientology, it has nothing to do with the religion is originated from. Meanwhile, the Saudi royals are well known for some of their family members being openly homosexual, using hard drugs and fucking prostitutes, all of which would earn them the death penalty where they common folk. It's really interesting to read upon on Saudi Arabia's wiki article, you'll see what a disgusting country it is. Other Arab countries meanwhile also have copied Wahabism or some form of it as their state religion, while somehow their dictatorial leaders seem to be exempt from it. Religion really is Opium for the masses and an ideal way to keep your people in line. What's just as sickening is how the European royal families still maintain close ties with the Saudis and other Arab royals, as if there's nothing wrong with what they're doing. Sorry for my rant, just had to get it off my chest ...

Regarding the guy who got busted though, as much as I feel it is just completely insane to hand down a sentence so dispropotional to his crime, I hardly doubt he knew what he was doing as every nation which has the death penalty for drugs mentions this clearly when arriving at their airports. It's not like he could have missed that. Also, although I'd much rather want to have such ridiculous laws abolished for everyone, as long as that's not going to happen I wouldn't want him to get out underneath his sentence and be deported to do jail time somewhere else just because he's a foreigner. That would mean the U.A.E. locals if caught for the same crime and who wouldn't get such a preferential treatment are second rate citizens in comparisson, because they wouldn't have the possibility of getting deported to their home country instead. They would be guaranteed to get executed.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

only if you promise not to PM me disengenuous apologies?

obviously I jest. I'll reply as and when I feel like it. deal with it, or ignore me. your choice. 20/80 and all that incl

The apology was genuine, I went overboard in that instance. You shant get another one, even if I feel i've gone too far. You have really shown everyone a nice long look behind the thin mask you wear by throwing that in my face. It isn't a weakness to apologise when you have done something wrong, yet you seem to see it as validation of everything you ever thought I was wrong about. I obviously don't care if you reply. I care even less now the gloves are properly off and I can say whatever I want without the need to apologise. You have sparked genuine thought in me - What caused such inferiority complexes? Where did the bitterness come from, aside from getting to middle age and still living like an 18 year old? Who oversocialised you and made you hate anything you perceive as superior? There is no point in saying these things to you, and I know that by the way. It goes into your ear, hits the scambler you call a brain, and poof it's something different.

 

[monstanoodle]

What is there to talk about monsta? We are all in agreement about the issue of the guy being killed; It is sick and wrong. There is nothing left to say. Much like every thread would be if it weren't for my **yawn-worthy bore bore whinging**

Forgive me, you're quite right. You make the world oh so more interesting 8)

 

[Psych0naut]

But the West is always meddling in the ME's political affairs though and likes to overthrow democratically elected leaders who they don't like and install dictators such as with the 1953 Iranian coup d'etat.
My main men Ron Paul and Nigel Farage have the right idea: stop interventionist wars against the dictators that we installed and lead by example in promoting freedom, fairness and prosperity for all in our own countries which in turn they'll want to emulate.
Even some of 'liberal's' in this country were up in arms about Gaddafi and wanted us to bomb the shit out of Libya to save the people even though he wasn't really that bad compared our other puppets having provided free energy, education, homes etc. the Libyans had the best living standards in Africa and most of the Middle East but thousands have been slaughtered since he got overthrown. Apparently he was targeted because he was about to introduce a gold backed Dinar delinked from the dollar, build a pan african water system etc but I'm not sure if that's just a conspiracy theory.
The Western leader/bankers/crooks can be some real cunts. We can't have people living comfortably though or then the elite wouldn't have anyone to screw. But we must make the distinction when saying 'The West'. It's not the people but rather the criminals that rule us through economic terrorism and in those countries actual terrorism.
Overall I'm not sure if the Middle East is ready for secular democracy, most appear to hold Islam dearly to their hearts as a way of life? I'm sure most people in it are desperate for more freedom but some Muslims need to get rid of this 'honour' mindset. You even see it in the UK with these honour killings and whatnot, they kill their own daughters in the name of honour. Not sure if that has any link to Islam though. That's a tiny minority though and I'm sure it's the same in the Middle East. At the end of the day to quote Ill Bill ''We all want money, drugs and bitches, anybody that don't rubs me suspicious''.

What you're saying why Ghadaffi was bombed by the West wouldn't surprise me one bit. There also a lot of rumours mentioned by very credible sources who said the last war in Iraq was because Saddam wanted to change from accepting Dollars for his oil to Euros. Co-incidentally, the two main countries who then attacked Saddam were the US and it's puppet Britain (who didn't have the Euro either), under the fake disguise of WMD's (who were never found and where likely already dismantled with the US's knowledge during or after the 1st/2nd Gulf wars. Geopolitics is one fucked up thing. And yes, terrorism against the West was started by American interference in the Middle-east, not the other way around. If the US and other Western/NATO countries would just leave the middle east the hell along and stop backing Israel with their nukes and refusal of IAEA safeguards at their nuclear reactor in Dimona, it would eventually settle down and we could all slowly start working towards a bit more unity and peace. Hopefully. Someday.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

But the West is always meddling in the ME's political affairs though and likes to overthrow democratically elected leaders who they don't like and install dictators such as with the 1953 Iranian coup d'etat.
My main men Ron Paul and Nigel Farage have the right idea: stop interventionist wars against the dictators that we installed and lead by example in promoting freedom, fairness and prosperity for all in our own countries which in turn they'll want to emulate.
Even some of 'liberal's' in this country were up in arms about Gaddafi and wanted us to bomb the shit out of Libya to save the people even though he wasn't really that bad compared our other puppets having provided free energy, education, homes etc. the Libyans had the best living standards in Africa and most of the Middle East but thousands have been slaughtered since he got overthrown. Apparently he was targeted because he was about to introduce a gold backed Dinar delinked from the dollar, build a pan african water system etc but I'm not sure if that's just a conspiracy theory.
The Western leader/bankers/crooks can be some real cunts. We can't have people living comfortably though or then the elite wouldn't have anyone to screw. But we must make the distinction when saying 'The West'. It's not the people but rather the criminals that rule us through economic terrorism and in those countries actual terrorism.
Overall I'm not sure if the Middle East is ready for secular democracy, most appear to hold Islam dearly to their hearts as a way of life? I'm sure most people in it are desperate for more freedom but some Muslims need to get rid of this 'honour' mindset. You even see it in the UK with these honour killings and whatnot, they kill their own daughters in the name of honour. Not sure if that has any link to Islam though. That's a tiny minority though and I'm sure it's the same in the Middle East. At the end of the day to quote Ill Bill ''We all want money, drugs and bitches, anybody that don't rubs me suspicious''.

Yes the politics for people who aren't us is extremely obvious and easy to see. I agree with that. I don't think there have been many wars where we have gone with the people directly in mind. Just the interests of the elite, and perhaps as a secondary thought us. I don't disagree with that. I suspect that the Arab spring may well have been pushed a bit further and harder by 'the West' too, to forward aims we aren't really knowlegeable about too. Have you read this book? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Psychopath-Test-Journey-Industry/dp/1594488010) It makes it obvious why we can't progress as humanity. These bastards hinder us at every turn. Even the most well intentioned perfect plans get infiltrated by them, and bam they are turned around to help this group of people.

Democracy is not something, to my mind, that gels with a fundamentalist Muslim population. It's not a dig, it just doesn't. The Quran asks, or rather demands, that they live under Sharia as dictated by it. It is democratic if they vote for that, but there isn't a lot of room for maneuver on any given issue (sp?). As soon as you vote for Sharia democracy is pretty much over. When you use a single book as a blueprint for law that was written 1400 years ago then you don't get much variation or freedom.

I appreciate your ill bill quote by the way :D

 

[botfly]

Meanwhile, the Saudi royals are well known for some of their family members being openly homosexual.

Gay Party at the Royal Palace in Jeddah , Saudi Arabia - Leaked video !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk1HpUkZA8s

Could have had some better music such as some S-Club 7 or Spice girls. Those cunts need to get with the times!