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Regional Heroin Discussion v15

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Sorry again but you're still not making any sense. Why will the 'free hit' of diamorphine 'destroy your family etc.'? It would help if you gave your reasons. If you take a few minutes to learn your drug treatment history you'll find a higher percentage of users came off under Rolleston. Under their own steam and without 'rehabilitation' or the advice of counsellors. Without the distractions of the lifestyle, they decided they'd had enough and stopped. It helped their heads hadn't been stuffed with the kind of nonsense of which you appear a manifest victim.

'Obviously' I think na are 'a conformist ant-human association'? Que? I think nothing of the kind. Many ex-users find it helps them maintain their abstinence if they discuss the subject with like-minded peers and NA does a splendid job in this respect. I dislike the kind of fascist who opines that, because something didn't suit them it should not be allowed for anyone but this isn't the belief of the NA members I know personally and I wasn't aware of any NA policy statement to that effect.

As a matter of interest, Eireann, are you a presently practising opiate user in treatment? Are you really sure your unsubstantiated assertions are true or do you think you perhaps ought to consider whether you make the common mistake of confusing the consequences of criminalisation with those of the chemical?

You've certainly succeeded in annoying a few people on here and it'd be a good idea to leave out the insults and stay on subject.



Charlie's spot on here all. From the results I've seen first hand from the RIOTT (Randomised Injectable Opiate Treatment Trials) a great deal of good has come out of them and the results speak for themselves. Why the hell we sunstitute a fairly benign drug for an even more addictive one with even more physical sire effects is pure political bullshit. What on earth is so wrong with heroin anyway?? It gives you contipation (curable with laxatives), it does indeed dull your emotions and to an extent your ambition (debatable) and that's about it off the top of my head - feel free to add to this. On the other hand, methadone prolongs the QT interval of the heart, often leads to depression and gives you no high whatsoever. I know when I used to use heroin H I would be very functional, have a good state of mind and be more sociable than before. Yes, I probably do have an underlying mental health issue but none of the drugs the doc gave me helped much with any of that.

The people I saw an met with regularly at the RIOTT clinic were genreally doing very well - one had been though uni, one was holding down a job and all looked a hell of lot better that when they first started. I just don't see the logic of taking the heroin away from them when that's the medicine they clearly find the most effective to deal with whatever it is they are having to deal with. IMO, they're self medicating and being charged an extortionate amount to do so.Add to that the chance of arrest, muggings and having to meet up with folk who care more about the money that their health and it's a recipe for disaster - all of which is completely self evident.

No, spending a life on heroin is not ideal. But neither is having to cope with memories of abuse, the loss of loved ones, ailing heath and anxiety that never seems to go away however much 'therapy' you through at it. Some people simply need a drug that can get them through the worst of it and then be in a position to deal with those issues within the health service they'd already be a part of by being administered clean safe heroin each day.

Looking back at how all the drugs laws came into affect its pretty clear that it was always a political move and not one based on the health of those affected. Makes me sick it does. I know without a shadow of a doubt that if I were to receive 60mg of diamorphine per day it would do a me a hell of a lot more good than the 20mg of citalopram I currently do. Id be more active, more sociable and look forward to the day far more. Yeah I be a bit bunged up in thearse departmnt but nothing that lactulose wouldn't sort out. I may even loose a part of my creativity but this is debatable due to the amount of running about one has to do in order to score each day for the gear.

So that'd my tuppence worth. All I knw is that the British drugs system is fucked and that there has to be a better alternative. For me, we gotta start with readily available diamorphine prescribing.

People are dying every bloody day due to the legislation currently in place.
 
This may be late and unneeded, but for fuck's sake - Get back on topic and stop shooting spit-balls at each other in the classroom.
I'm 26 and feel like saying "Grow Up!" to those who are likely older than me!
That's a fairly pathetic situation to be in, no?
 
Well the gear situ in Brum is shit. It's not pure bash but it's certainly not worth buying. What the hell happened to things improving? It's been rubbish for a few weeks again now. This is from a few different dealers from different areas too.
 
Well said, Amnesiaseizure. As you note, the origins of the heroin hysteria were overwhelmingly political and continue to be so. If they chose, the folk who control the propaganda machine could do the same thing with prostate medications and the lazzorini would happily kick diffundox instead of heroin dependents on their way home from the pub.

Heroin is unrivaled for its painkilling properties. There are some who still believe in mortification of the flesh and redemption through suffering who would deny the drug to terminal cancer sufferers. A whole lot more cannot handle the idea of brains without pain. The politics of fear are nowhere more apparent than when the subject of drugs is raised.

What is of concrete and immediate concern is that, as AS says, every day British subjects are dying needlessly and before their time because of the criminalisation of drugs. Would that overdose you knew still be alive if they'd received pure heroin under medical supervision? In the vast majority of cases, the answer is, yes, they would. This alone is a compelling reason to return diamorphine to the drug treatment formulary. Moral considerations that elsewhere died with Darwin pale into irrelevance in the face of this rather clear-cut reality
 
This may be late and unneeded, but for fuck's sake - Get back on topic and stop shooting spit-balls at each other in the classroom.
I'm 26 and feel like saying "Grow Up!" to those who are likely older than me!
That's a fairly pathetic situation to be in, no?

Your the mods - do something about it, im being attacked by two people here who dont know shit about me so i end up having to defend myself , trip thinking ive got a sockpuppet??!!? why would i do that ive been posting here for a while and everyone knows what im like - maybe a little curt but i say it how it is and have no need to BS or srt up another a/c - Ive blocked twp posters but been told that eirannn said i pm'd her - now thats bs - c/p the pm , your just outright lying.
Who would have thunk it trolls on this thread - fucking sad, Im off to other threads.
 
What is of concrete and immediate concern is that, as AS says, every day British subjects are dying needlessly and before their time because of the criminalisation of drugs. Would that overdose you knew still be alive if they'd received pure heroin under medical supervision? In the vast majority of cases, the answer is, yes, they would. This alone is a compelling reason to return diamorphine to the drug treatment formulary. Moral considerations that elsewhere died with Darwin pale into irrelevance in the face of this rather clear-cut reality

I heard of a good source yesterday that diamorpine under medical supervision is currently being trialled in London. Could be bollocks but he had no reason to lie.
 
Blondin
Then ignore.
I'm not going to be a mod for much longer, but my advice would be to just ignore anything negative that's directed towards you.
It's not hard and it's the "higher path".

Everyone else involved in this.... stuff.... Get back on fuckin topic. If you've an whining and whinging to do then either do it via PM or don't do it at all.
Is it worth it?
No.
So just stop being twatish and remark on the topic of the thread.

I'm not going to be modding for much longer, so this is why I'm being stupidly blunt. Just..... Gah!
It's pathetic, and I feel pathetic for even having to comment on it!

Anyway! To be on topic!

Still have lush stuff where I am from my guy. Still small amounts. But I'm going to be seeing him less as I'm trying to rid myself from such a world.
That is all. No bitching, no whining, just keep it topical :|
 
I'm not going to be modding for much longer,
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Awwww Noodles why are you giving up mod'n? Are you giving up mod'n altogether or are you moving to a different part of Bluelight? We'll miss your colorful posts! :( Glad to hear your getting good gear! :) There has been a big improvement with the gear in Dublin at last, but the gear is still not as good as it was before the drought, but hopefully its heading that way!
 
I'm giving it up entirely for now my dear ructions.
Trying to focus all my attention on moving forward in my life, in a positive direction. With someone I love, and someone who loves me.
At present I'm stuck in a rutt of self-hatered and loathing.

Anyway, I still love EADD. It will be my home from home from home always :)

I'm glad things are getting beter over in the Ire that is Land :) I dunno if things will ever get back to how they were pre-drought.
Too much money to be made :\

But yes - I'm still going to be posting here. And, if there is need of me, I will wish to return to modding when I'm able.
You guys are fuckin ace! How could I leave you? ;)~<3
 
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Onwards & upwards Noodles!!! :) I'm so glad that you have someone good in your life! You always come across as a top bloke! You can be tough when you've gotta be tough, but deep down your a big softy with a kind heart! <3

Yeah i know what you mean about been stuck in a rut (Ah, thats a song!!! "Your in a rut, you gotta get out'a it! out'a it! out'a it"!!!) I feel the same! I've spent the last 19months moaning about the crap gear & now when there is a bit of an improvement i'm terrified of slipping back into my old ways!

I hope it all goes well for you mate! Make sure you stay in touch with us all! Take care & i'll talk to you again sooooooon!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDbSrwz3ZGs
 
claret and blue poppies

the most beautiful sight today. loads and loads of poppies. am i rattlin or is it cold? aw monsta you know so much and tell it so well. i was just reading ur stuff on the benzo thread. god bless

@ ructions have ya read animal farm horrible book / beautiful book. ive read it and watched it loads of times and it just gets worse every time/... all the bad bits..

i had some other things to say but ive forgotten now8(
 
pinkpapaver - Loads of love to you, you extremely loveable character :)
I'm very glad I've been of use to EADD <3
 
Ez hooks hope u had a good holiday. Its been terrible down my way - been getting decent for the last 4 or 5 days but its been the first half decent kit ive seen since the first week in may. medium tan powder with small rocks, runs nice and thick and fishy had me nodding out by the third bag - wouldnt say its amazing but it does the trick and all the items are still a 5er a pop
 
absolute joke i bet that doctor has no problem throwing out benzos like there goin out of fashion


What ??

Thats the first thing you could think off after reading that.
Your strange .

Anyway i just want to say something about this thread .
I've been posting in it from the start & have been here most of the time .
Of late it's been pure bitching and just really tiring i find it hard to read tbh some of the grammar it's like a kid has written.
It's good to have more traffic on the board but not if it's just bitching.
fwiw.
Blondin is safe as are all of the people i've either met or become mates with through this thread.
 
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Sounds like this light tan rock gear with an orangey tinge on the foil is all over the place ! Whilst it aint GREAT it's pretty good compared to most of the crap thats been around since the drought hit. .4 in the pin gives me quite a rush, not really been nodding off it though ? Probably tolerance, I should stop using so much, but then I should probably stop doing a lot of things.
 
Oh man, has anybody else seen poppies yet?

Just came across a massive patch about 15mins walk from home on this building site where a house had been knocked down. It's enough to keep me happy for weeks upon weeks of tea every night!

They're not quite ready yet though; the pods aren't fully develpod but fuck me is that patch gonna bring me joyous nights of atavistic alchemy : )
 
Gear got good again. I'm two days clean. First time I've just used my script in a long time. My script aint holding me. I can't wait til tomorrow so I can ask to go up 10ml. I feel like shit. I have that restless feeling, I don't want to be in my skin, I feel like I'm trying to get out of it. I want to kick things. If I can score , I will, I can't stand this. Have to see if booze will ease things for now.
 
I feel for you for you cherry it's the worse feeling in the world are you trying to get clean or have no cash for the gear.when l use on top of my script then stop it takes me a couple of days to settle into my dose again a know people who booze when their rattling a couldn't see me given it a go think it would me make me feel a lot worse
 
Happy papa's day

theres lots of dads here who work hard to support their kids thru bumper harvests and drought times... god bless you all <3

@papasom lovely to read your words there.

@alfo tis so true this is a place for comfort. Good to hear from ya babs :D

@ dop196 i too have found a lil field a short distance from my home; themost beautiful sight i ever did see8o<3

i was doin a bit of random back reading last night and came across stuff about that dr brewer.

@ charlie, do you work for the telegraph? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3307161/The-needle-and-the-damage-done.html

interesting article.. everything mr. clean has been saying here for a very long time. everything that makes real proper sense.. we are not criminals etc etc.

i possibly had more to add there but cant remeber :? but thats proll coz the sun is shining =D im going to go out with my lil white dog and have a nice afternoon.. (when i have finished my smoke of sub-standard price inflated heroin - diamorphine-skag-smack -kit bs- devils dandruff/talcum power. what ever u want to call it.

<3 love to all the moms too.. without us there would be no dads and thats for sure. i love my dad. god bless :D


oh last night at work there was a non travellling member of the travelling community that looked like roman abramovich
 
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