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"The Inuit tribes, including the Eskimos and individuals of Russian descent, have close relationship with reindeer, and were aware that the reindeer also had an affinity for the Amanita mushroom. The reindeer had such a great taste for the mushroom that they would be seen consuming the urine of other reindeer who had recently eaten a mushroom. If you wanted to catch a reindeer, all you had to do was to urinate and they would come running.

The shaman would urinate and the followers would consume the urine. The consumption of the urine was a common practice for several reasons:

1. The mushroom was highly valued and expensive.

2. The chemicals responsible for severe cramping were filtered out during the first metabolism (which made the drinking of urine popular).

3. Consumption of the urine also allowed the next person to experience a greater intoxication and permitted up to five people, each one drinking the lasts urine, to become inebriated with just one mushroom."

http://www.iamshaman.com/amanita/inuit.htm

Soma (the Amanita Muscaria cap) is also a God in Hindi scriptures, such as the Rag Veda.
 
Soma (the Amanita Muscaria cap) is also a God in Hindi scriptures, such as the Rag Veda.

According to Wasson or McKenna - or according to modern day Hindus?

Doesn't McKenna refute Wasson's claims in Food of the Gods? Something about there being no A. muscaria in India? I can't remember exactly, it's been a long time since I read FOTG and Soma: the divine mushroom of immortality.

I know you just had a deep experience with A. muscaria et al, but that doesn't make Wasson's theory correct. I wonder why Amanita are not used in India these days? The Rig Veda does contain 113 verses dedicated to soma, but there is no direct reference to A. muscaria or any other known plant being the sacrament.

I think it's a possibility - there is the verse in the Rig Veda about taking Soma and "pissing it out each day", which is in line with traditional uses of the mushroom in Siberia/Alaska, but that's hardly solid proof.

The webpage you referenced also had this to say:


Eventually the Soma ritual was gradually forgotten, although the Soma deity still exists in the Hindu religion. As the population spread and was variously subsumed by other cultures, they began to substitute other plants, and the identity of Soma was lost for 2000 years. Mushroom stones dated as far back as 6,000 years ago indicate the existence of a mushroom religion in Mesoamerica at least that far back.

Why and how would such a powerful ritual with such a distinct fruit be forgotten?

And the mushroom statues of Mesoamerica are definitely psilocybes, so why mention them in relation to A. muscaria?
 
I am not capable of answering the questions you asked.

There's this guy called James Arthur, who has created a religion around Soma. He does shaman workshops. He tells people that aliens spawned life on earth. Basically, I think he has confused the divine allegory. Unable to interpret the visions, he has taken them at face value and concluded - as religions did - that this is this and that is that.

I don't mean to conclude anything. In fact, I try not to. Sometimes I write down my theories, as if they are facts, then curse myself later for being impatient - like Arthur - and contributing to the misinformation about Soma.

I believe that Soma is the precursor to all relgions on Earth. The experience is so religious in nature, and bears so many striking similarities to religion, that it is almost indisputable. I quoted these passages because people tend to believe more in published material and it is very difficult to adovate the use of these mushrooms without sounding like a lunatic. Honestly I have little to no interest in reading the historical analysis of muscimol. I have the real thing. It's like reading a book about Jesus rather than having a conversation with him. I know more about this drug than anyone who is yet to consume it. Doesn't matter if they spend their entire lives researching it. The experience is more valuable than anything they could possibly come up with. I understand your hesistancy to believe. I wouldn't believe had I not experienced it. You cannot believe by proxy.

Why and how would such a powerful ritual with such a distinct fruit be forgotten?

Good question. It baffles me as to how this drug is not popular. It is absolutely amazing. By far the strongest thing I've ever consumed, including DMT. There is nothing anything like it, in terms of the scope of it's effects. I don't think everyone is "supposed" to consume this drug. People who belong to established religions would find it threatening. The meaning behind almost all religions is marred by the religion itself. You ask why would they stop taking Soma, well... Why would they start believing in Christ as a man? Why are the allegorical aspects of religious belief forgotten about? Why do people take religion literally? James Arthur is the problem. He says in his writing, and his lectures, that he hates modern religions. But he is creating one. I don't mean to do the same. But, it's difficult to avoid.

The following is allegorical, I don't mean it literally. As I've said before, we lack the neccesary reference points to talk directly about the divine. So I've translated it for the purposes of illustration.

The universe is a code. In the beginning the code was simple. As "time" goes on, it becomes more and more complicated. Until it gets to the point where the code becomes conscious and is no longer aware that it is a code. What happened in the beginning of time, at the origins of the code, dictate what will happen at the end. It is so complicated that it is diffuclt to comprehend. We decide things, we have "free will", so the universe can't be a code, right? Maybe. Maybe our decisions are made for us. Everything that we have encountered in life, every conversation, every song we listened to, every dream - these all collect together and dictate what decisions we make. That is why we are like our parents. Because we are our parents. The code is also why we see patterns while hallucinating. This is the divine pattern. Or part of it. It is the fabric of the universe. Another possibility is that the code splinters off into parallel universes. Conscious thought and free will allow the code to replicate. There are an infinite number of ways I can live my life, given the choice to do so. And I live my life in every way. Somewhere else there is another me who made a different decision, slightly altering the code, and sending the universe off into a different direction. In the end we become one as everything, so it doesn't matter. There is no separation between one universe and another. Between parent and son. Between possum and human. We are all one and we will be one once again. I'm trying not to make any solid conclusions. I need to meditate on these experiences and repeat the experiment a hundred or so times. That way I can cross-reference the information I bring back and begin to theorize coherently about what I have seen and experienced. At the moment, all I have are pieces. It is very confusing.

As for why I would include a reference to Psilocybin mushrooms, they are related. I suspect that people were "meant" to consume Amanitas thousands of years ago. It was the popular drug back then. Because we needed belief. We needed religion. Upon becoming conscious, and therefore separating from the code, we needed some understanding of infinity, of life and death. Psilocybin is - I suspect - what we are "supposed to be" consuming after Muscaria. It is no co-incidence that people drink alcohol and take ecstasy and do not take Muscaria. We are programmed this way. But psilocybin is related. It reveals the universal code. I suspect it functions as a reminder of the divine. If that is all we need, then that is what we get. But, if it is no co-incidence that the world prefers chemical drugs to ancient drugs, it is also no co-incidence that I have come to consume Muscaria. All of the events of my life led me to this point. It is so unlikely, that it seems random. But it's not. I don't think it is, anyway. I believe I was destined to consume this mushroom. I believe that everyone is destined to do what they do. I believe nothing is co-incidence.

Recycled-urine Soma trip report, as requested: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...is-The-Universal-Code?p=10673704#post10673704
 
I am not capable of answering the questions you asked.

There's this guy called James Arthur, who has created a religion around Soma. He does shaman workshops. He tells people that aliens spawned life on earth. Basically, I think he has confused the divine allegory. Unable to interpret the visions, he has taken them at face value and concluded - as religions did - that this is this and that is that.

I don't mean to conclude anything. In fact, I try not to. Sometimes I write down my theories, as if they are facts, then curse myself later for being impatient - like Arthur - and contributing to the misinformation about Soma.

I believe that Soma is the precursor to all relgions on Earth. The experience is so religious in nature, and bears so many striking similarities to religion, that it is almost indisputable. I quoted these passages because people tend to believe more in published material and it is very difficult to adovate the use of these mushrooms without sounding like a lunatic. Honestly I have little to no interest in reading the historical analysis of muscimol. I have the real thing. It's like reading a book about Jesus rather than having a conversation with him. I know more about this drug than anyone who is yet to consume it. Doesn't matter if they spend their entire lives researching it. The experience is more valuable than anything they could possibly come up with. I understand your hesistancy to believe. I wouldn't believe had I not experienced it. You cannot believe by proxy.



Good question. It baffles me as to how this drug is not popular. It is absolutely amazing. By far the strongest thing I've ever consumed, including DMT. There is nothing anything like it, in terms of the scope of it's effects. I don't think everyone is "supposed" to consume this drug. People who belong to established religions would find it threatening. The meaning behind almost all religions is marred by the religion itself. You ask why would they stop taking Soma, well... Why would they start believing in Christ as a man? Why are the allegorical aspects of religious belief forgotten about? Why do people take religion literally? James Arthur is the problem. He says in his writing, and his lectures, that he hates modern religions. But he is creating one. I don't mean to do the same. But, it's difficult to avoid.

The following is allegorical, I don't mean it literally. As I've said before, we lack the neccesary reference points to talk directly about the divine. So I've translated it for the purposes of illustration.

The universe is a code. In the beginning the code was simple. As "time" goes on, it becomes more and more complicated. Until it gets to the point where the code becomes conscious and is no longer aware that it is a code. What happened in the beginning of time, at the origins of the code, dictate what will happen at the end. It is so complicated that it is diffuclt to comprehend. We decide things, we have "free will", so the universe can't be a code, right? Maybe. Maybe our decisions are made for us. Everything that we have encountered in life, every conversation, every song we listened to, every dream - these all collect together and dictate what decisions we make. That is why we are like our parents. Because we are our parents. The code is also why we see patterns while hallucinating. This is the divine pattern. Or part of it. It is the fabric of the universe. Another possibility is that the code splinters off into parallel universes. Conscious thought and free will allow the code to replicate. There are an infinite number of ways I can live my life, given the choice to do so. And I live my life in every way. Somewhere else there is another me who made a different decision, slightly altering the code, and sending the universe off into a different direction. In the end we become one as everything, so it doesn't matter. There is no separation between one universe and another. Between parent and son. Between possum and human. We are all one and we will be one once again. I'm trying not to make any solid conclusions. I need to meditate on these experiences and repeat the experiment a hundred or so times. That way I can cross-reference the information I bring back and begin to theorize coherently about what I have seen and experienced. At the moment, all I have are pieces. It is very confusing.

As for why I would include a reference to Psilocybin mushrooms, they are related. I suspect that people were "meant" to consume Amanitas thousands of years ago. It was the popular drug back then. Because we needed belief. We needed religion. Upon becoming conscious, and therefore separating from the code, we needed some understanding of infinity, of life and death. Psilocybin is - I suspect - what we are "supposed to be" consuming after Muscaria. It is no co-incidence that people drink alcohol and take ecstasy and do not take Muscaria. We are programmed this way. But psilocybin is related. It reveals the universal code. I suspect it functions as a reminder of the divine. If that is all we need, then that is what we get. But, if it is no co-incidence that the world prefers chemical drugs to ancient drugs, it is also no co-incidence that I have come to consume Muscaria. All of the events of my life led me to this point. It is so unlikely, that it seems random. But it's not. I don't think it is, anyway. I believe I was destined to consume this mushroom. I believe that everyone is destined to do what they do. I believe nothing is co-incidence.

Recycled-urine Soma trip report, as requested: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...is-The-Universal-Code?p=10673704#post10673704

I'm happy you cleared that up - my next step was to ask where and when I could sign-up to the ForEverAfter cult. ;)

I do have a question though (sorry for derailing the thread). I think your observations are valid, but: What would be the difference between coming to these conclusions with A. muscaria (in or not in combination with other substances) and say, with Iboga?

I know someone that has taken part in a Bwiti initiation ceremony in Gabon (something I plan to do some time) and he speaks in a similar manner about Iboga.

I've never had Amanita (so I cannot deny or support, disagree or agree) but I have had various Ayahuasca brews in the traditional setting. Especially with admixtures (Brunfelsias/Brugmansias) the experience becomes truly ineffable, and I wonder if one arrives at the same source with all of the major plant spirits?

The reason why all of this interests me is the way my friend speaks about the Bwiti and Iboga - he says that iboga is the king of all the plant spirits, the most powerful, and by far, above all others. Which is kind of what you're saying about A. Muscaria.

I'm not sure if I'd be so confident to attempt to qualify these things.

They really do produce effects that are outside our data set of referents.

Peace.
 
Muscaria is the strongest drug I have encountered, by far. That's not to say that it is the strongest drug that there is. But it is definitely up there. I'm frankly not sure how it could be any more intense, when taken in high doses. Calling it a drug doesn't even seem right. It's like calling a human an animal; even though we belong to the animal kingdom, we are so far removed from it that the collective doesn't apply in a lot of situations. I call Muscaria/Soma God because it is more powerful than I am, or it brings me to something that is more powerful than I. It is a direct window to God. But, again, that's not to say there aren't other windows. Perhaps the development of ecstasy, and other research chemicals, we are now creating potential windows all the time. Hopefully one day we will manufacture a drug that takes us straight to God and straight back again with a full memory of the experience and no side-effects. Until that day comes, the closest divine source I have, my most accessible portal. is Soma. It is my God, not neccessarily the God. Whether or not Iboga is stronger than Muscaria I cannot say. There is nobody on the planet that has consumed drugs we are yet to discover. I doubt there is anyone who's consumed every drug known by man. I've had a lot of different types of drugs. Maybe a hundred individual drugs over the years. And none of them come close to being ten percent of a transcendental Soma experience.

When you're in that place you understand the meaning of life. I mean completely, everything in the universe. You can repeat the experience over and over and every time everything in the universe is revealed to you. I mean everything. From nothing to infinity and back again. I've never experienced this with anything else. You get a feeling of oneness with a lot of drugs. Mescaline. LSD. MDMA. DMT, even. But you don't actually become one with everything. Like you said, it's hard to explain. I guess if we are to compare you need to take Muscaria and I need to have some Ayahuasca.
 
I havnt had mushies for years, but we used to mix fresh shrooms in a pot with hot water and drink the slurry.
We have about 150 semi dried shrooms anyone got suggestions on preparing them.
Ive tried just eating them but nver got as good results as the hot water in the pot.
 
I havnt had mushies for years, but we used to mix fresh shrooms in a pot with hot water and drink the slurry.
We have about 150 semi dried shrooms anyone got suggestions on preparing them.
Ive tried just eating them but nver got as good results as the hot water in the pot.

what does the slurry taste like?
 
dirty hot (no patience to let it cool) mushroomy with cordial flavour that we tried in vain to mask the filthy taste.
 
I havnt had mushies for years, but we used to mix fresh shrooms in a pot with hot water and drink the slurry.
We have about 150 semi dried shrooms anyone got suggestions on preparing them.
Ive tried just eating them but nver got as good results as the hot water in the pot.


150 what? pieces or grams? There are a number of ways to dose them, you have to make sure they are cracker dry then can make capsules, tea or my favorite chocolates with cool candy moulds. What do you mean by "never getting good results"? What changes when prepared differently apart from the obvious taste and method?
 
put your (finely chopped) mushrooms in a pot with some water and orange juice. put as much of either as you prefer; to taste.
heat the pot, but don't let it boil. boiling the liquid will destroy/degrade some of the the actives you are trying to extract from the fungi.

simmer slowly, whilst stirring and keep it just under a boiling temp. the shrooms will be floating on the surface when you first put it on to cook.
i know it's done when the mushroom material sinks to the bottom - to me this indicates that it is hydrated and waterlogged, and the actives should have gone into the solution. might take 20 or 30 minutes, possibly longer - but i think it's worth being patient.
if you're not patient enough to see out the whole process, just eat the whole mushrooms - because at least this way you're not wasting anything.

you can then strain out and discard the solids and drink the liquid.
i'm sure a lot of people have different ways of doing this, but it's how i make mushroom tea.
you can use other citrus juice if you prefer; lemon or grapefruit. i'm told it can help aid extraction/absorption, and whether or not that is true, it helps improve the flavour.
 
There are roughly 150 individual mushrooms. Were having them tomorrow so there is no time to dry them for capsules.
What I was saying is that mushroom slurry perpared over the stove (not boiling) then drinking the lot from memory was allways better than eating the plain mushrooms.
There were even times when we boiled the shrooms and no drop in potency gram for gram, where ive been led belive that boiling water will destroy the psilocybin
 
The effects of degrading psilocybin with boiling water are highly exaggerated. It does happen and it's good practice to never boil them anyway, especially if you want maximum potency, but boiling a pot of mushies for 10 minutes (or so) won't completely kill all the actives. :)

ForEverAfter, I've yet to find or try an Amanitas. However, your reports have me very interested. I've not yet done DMT so I'm not experienced with such intense detachment (psiloshrooms would be the most intense trips I've experienced). It's not that I feel as if I'm not ready for a Soma experience, but more that I want to try other, more alike drugs first so as to get a true appreciation for it. Do you think that's a good idea, or should I just head out and pick some already? Haha.
 
Yeah I agree about the boiling water destroying the magic being exagerated. Im not really into psycadelics but would put DMT up there with my favourite drugs, never tried it with mushrooms though but have with LSD and it really blew the trip away once we ran out of DMT.
Also i remember a time when we were tripping on shrooms and thought it would be a good Idea to have some nangs with it,
but I think we over didit and I felt like it ruined the trip. On the half hour or so trip to buy the nangs we having agreat time giggling and carrying on when we got there and had them It was awesome but once we ran out the trip home was a real bummer with everone sitting in the car quiet and keeping to themselves.
 
I suggest 'lemon tek' for maximum potentiation of dried mushroom material. In my experience, and the experience of countless others (see google search: lemon tek), this practice can increase the potency of your trip anywhere from 1.5 - 5 times. I can't stress enough how much more powerful this tek makes the experience. In the past I've eaten & drunk literally multiple hundreds of mushrooms in a single setting (although often over the space of an hour or two) and none of these trips have come close to my first 'lemon tek'. I was very skeptical at first as I can't see the science behind it, but so many people said it worked that I decided it was worth a shot.

ANYWAY, the tek -

Take your amount of dried mushrooms (don't go over 3 grams on your first attempt unless you're feeling heroic) and cut them into small pieces. Squeeze the juice out of three or four lemons (don't use bottled lemon juice). Oranges work as well IME, but once again get them from the tree/shop. Pour your juice into a small glass that you feel comfortable taking a 'shot' out of. Pour your finely chopped mushrooms into the same glass. Give them a bit of a stir then leave the glass for 10 minutes. Knock back the solution, rinsing and drinking any remaining mushroom stuck to the glass.

I have no idea why this is so effective, but it is. Be careful. Titrate your doses upwards from your first trip if you feel like going harder, but don't take a stupid amount on your first time. It really is that much stronger.
 
Some people do over exaggerate the loss of potentcy due to mushrooms being at high temps but the real fact is that they definitely can loose potency if they are exposed to high temps for an extended period of time. The mushroom itself acts as a barrier which protects it from light, heat and all sorts of other bad things but after a while the heat can and will penetrate through it causing it to reduce potency. Psilocybin/cin are fairly stable compounds within the mushrooms itself, thats another reason why people say its important not to use heat to dry the shrooms. Making tea isnt very hard at all, your actually just ensuring that the active alkaloids are soluble in warm water, just make sure its ground up very well (This is why dry shrooms are preferred) and soak that shit:) U will see the water turn all sorts of funky colors, mainly blue and orangish color :)
 
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...ls-in-donnybrook/story-e6frg14u-1226408297183

MORE than 5kg of suspected 'magic mushrooms' have been seized from four men after police stopped their car in Donnybrook.

Police stopped to search the car on Saturday and confiscated 5kg of mushrooms.

It is likely charges will be laid once tests are carried out to confirm the material as magic mushrooms, or mushrooms that contain the compound psilocybin.

Donnybrook Police have warned anybody thinking of heading into the area to collect magic mushrooms to think again.

Police will be searching people and vehicles suspected of gathering the prohibited fungi.

be careful folks!
 
Can someone with knowledge of the Australian legal system enlighten me on whether the police need a warrant to search a (locked) car or not? Or even a backpack (if it has a lock on it)? Do locks change the law in any way?
 
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