Regional Heroin Discussion v14: What's the point?

[blondin]

back in the 70's early 80's you could pick them up easy - no good to me now as i dont have any veins left. After they were withdrawn people use to mix methadone and cyclazine to get a similar effect - but the rush of a dike is amazing little orange beuties. Dangerous tho as they are easy to od on.

Good luck to you SP if you can get them but if your not shooting them then your missing the point metaphorically and in the needle sense

 

[blondin]

@Alfo the trouble with dosing in the UK is that they try and give you the absolute minimum - the therapeutic dose i.e to stop wd's and cravings is 80-120 mgs most people are on a dose that stops the wd's but not the cravings which is why lots use on top.

 

[blondin]

got it one charlie guess blondin doesnt no evrything about the drug world im amazed he hasnt said hes doing morphine rite now on its better dan the morphine i did haha

yet another little boy who doesnt have a clue - there is no way a paramedic would give u morphine cos you were freeking out on weed- they would have u on an eeg and be measuring your vitals, morphine doesnt help in an arrest situatuion just manages the pain.. grow up your not impressing anyone......and yes readers i tell it how it is

 

[ructions]

@Alfo the trouble with dosing in the UK is that they try and give you the absolute minimum - the therapeutic dose i.e to stop wd's and cravings is 80-120 mgs most people are on a dose that stops the wd's but not the cravings which is why lots use on top.

Will a higher does really stop the cravings? & how so when the cravings are in your head? I've managed to stay on 60mls even though it barely holds me, it keeps me feeling well for about 20hours but the last 4 hours can be a struggle, but no always. But i've always tried my best not to go over 60mls. But do you reckon that if i took a higher dose that my cravings would stop? Coz its the cravings that are my biggest problem! How does it stop cravings, how does it stop you wanting to get stoned?

 

[charlie clean]

A nurse of my acquaintance says 85-90% of his patients who complained they were still using heroin on top of their meth scripts were simply underdosed and raising their dosage to the right level stopped their cravings. But, like blondin says above, clinicians in the UK are reluctant to prescribe higher dosages and, anyway, it wouldn't help the other 10-15%. Until drug users get a whole lot more political than they are at present, they'll continue to be shafted and find their supplies on the street, not in treatment.

 

[Rattles]

Will a higher does really stop the cravings? & how so when the cravings are in your head? I've managed to stay on 60mls even though it barely holds me, it keeps me feeling well for about 20hours but the last 4 hours can be a struggle, but no always. But i've always tried my best not to go over 60mls. But do you reckon that if i took a higher dose that my cravings would stop? Coz its the cravings that are my biggest problem! How does it stop cravings, how does it stop you wanting to get stoned?

Ructions,I 've been to 150g green - more numb and off it than almost any Gear I 've done. But still never gave me the good bit (not the rush btw), the blanket and warmth. I guess we all want something a bit different from our DOC, and for me the green will never replace that, thou it makes it a fuck of a lot easier to manage my day to day.
I think the idea is to show you that you don't need to be scoring, and to see the dubious joys of 'real life'. I'm sceptical, but i guess it works for some - i've just not met any of 'em yet. Sorry feeling a little cynical tonight.Gonna go 'fore I upset someone.

All the best and love

Rattles

 

[ructions]

Look at what these dirty bastards did!!! They gave their baby methadone to 'pacify' him! Another-wards they gave their baby methadone to knock him out so they could get stoned! Sick bastards, they should be locked up forever! Looks like they had been giving the baby methadone for some time coz the poor little pet had built up a tolerance, how could they do something like that? Fucken savages!!!

I can see this having a backlash of people who get take away methadone, things could very well become even more strict!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/01/parents-jailed-toddler-dose-methadone

 

[eireann]

yet another little boy who doesnt have a clue - there is no way a paramedic would give u morphine cos you were freeking out on weed- they would have u on an eeg and be measuring your vitals, morphine doesnt help in an arrest situatuion just manages the pain.. grow up your not impressing anyone......and yes readers i tell it how it is

lad fom what ive seen u write ur the one whos either trying to impress ppl or sicking them..... i thought i was having a heart attack i cudnt even stand up.. u dont have a clue the reason your giving morphine tru iv is becoz its the fasted way to slow ur heart down...are they suppose to wait for your heart to give in???its a precaution,anyway u reckon tar is superior to afghani gear which leads me to believe u tend to make up stories urself....sure ur getting gear thats stronger than pre-drought stuff c,mon wat are the odds blondin

 

[BigNasty]

Watcha Guys ! Haven't posted in here in ages but regularly flick through the thread. Good to see some of the old crew are still going strong on here ! I think the last time I posted was just after I went over on some proper fire that must have slipped through a few dealers stamps so much so that it completely took me (and my poor missus) by surprise.

It's been pretty dire in my town probably for about the last 6 months now. The gear will make your pupils small, will give you a bit of a "lift" but gouching ? Forget it ! And the fishy smell and black sticky teeth that I used to associate with gear is sadly no more.. Just doesn't taste the same ? A hell of a lot of people around here have got clean since the drought started. I've cut right down and have started paying off debts (what fun that is eh ?). In an ideal world I'd like to quit completely now, but I keep being drawn back into scoring in the hope that I'll strike gold. But I think at the moment that "gold" is pretty much non existent. The way I see it things will only improve when we all get out of this mindset and stop buying the weap stamped on crap. Of course there are exceptions to this (Blondin, China White, maybe BrimZ and others) who seem to be getting fire at the moment. Fair Play to you guys you must be well connected and probably have more competition in your respective towns than the 2/3 dealers round my way.

On the plus side, I picked up a gram of absolutely top-notch Coke tonight. Bit more pricey than usual, but worth every penny. Only had stuff like this a couple of times before in all of my 30+ years. Had two small lines, once snorted and one IV'd and I can honestly say I am feeling great ! Totally different level to the average novocaine-laden flake fayre.

Take Care and Be Lucky. And refuse to buy stepped on junk ! It's the only way forward ! %)

 

[BigNasty]

Just wanted to Big Up CHARLIE CLEAN and BRIMZ ! Your posts always entertain me And I've also learnt a fair few things I didnt kniow anything about from you.

Oh and Ructions, I really feel for you ! I really do hope that things finally improve around your way. Want to tell you to try and knock it all on the head for a bit but we all know that the diference between saying it and the reality of actually doing it are like night and day. I can't do it, so I can't expect anyone else to !!

 

[ructions]

Hi guys & girls! One thing that we all have in common on this thread is that we are physically & mentally addicted to heroin. But no one really ever talks about how they got strung out? & what their thought were of heroin users before they them selves became a heroin user? Or what made them take the plunge?

I was just like most young people, i enjoyed my few drinks, & growing up with my mates we all experimented with hash/grass, Acid, Mushrooms, Speed (lots of speed!!!) E's, K, Coke, all the normal things! But none of us ever went near heroin, it was just a no go. Growing up i was never around heroin. I left home & moved into North City Center Dublin at the age of 17, there were loads of heroin addicts around my area, you know the kind of addicts that stand in the middle of the street nodding out & then when they walk it looks like they are wearing a nappy or something? I don't know they just seemed to walk really weird! & they talk really loud & slow, with the words drawn out. Many heroin users in my area had young babies/children with them & the parents would be totally out of their heads, this was something that really bothered me. Now i know that all heroin users do not go on like that, but when i was younger the area i lived in seemed to be full of very obvious stereo typical heroin addicts.

I used to look at them & think why did they let them selves get like that? Didn't they know the heroin was really addictive??? Why didn't they stop before it got so bad? When did they wake up on a Monday & decide to start using heroin on a Monday Tuesday Wednesday & every day? What is wrong with them??? I would NEVER EVER let my self get like that! Twice in my 20's i was in a mates house were my mates mates were smoking heroin & both times i tried it & enjoyed it. There was about a 5 year gap between each time that i smoked heroin. I really enjoyed it, i thought it was great! But after each time i went home & totally forgot about it & never thought about it again.

In the years when i was coming up to 30 years of age i was going through a really bad patch in my life, everything was going wrong in my day to day life & my childhood was coming back to haunt me. I started drinking lots, drowning my sorrows, but this in turn made me more depressed! I even went to a Doctor who put me on antidepressants & sent me to a councilor, but still every day my past got harder & harder to deal with, the counseling made me much worse, it brought back memories of my childhood had i had buried deep deep down & i started to go totally off my head! Loopy-looper!!! 8(

My Boyfriend & i had been together one year & i was mad about him! (i still am! ) He was a great support to me at that time. We got a flat together & soon we became friendly with the neighbors in the other flats, THIS is how heroin entered our lives! Our neighbor was a real nice guy, but he had been using heroin for years, the first time he smoked in front of us i asked him for a line & the rest is history! My boyfriend & i started using every weekend with this guy & we loved it, we started using heroin more & drinking less & less. Before long we had numbers for dealers & we started scoring on our own coz our neighbor was a faster smoker at the time, so he used to smoke all the gear we had chipped in for.

So there i was 30 years of age & getting into heroin! Wouldn't you think that i was old enough to know better? But it all happened so quick! I can't remember ever waking up on a Monday morning & thinking 'ummm i think i'll start using heroin every day of the week now' That is something that just happens slowly! But heroin made me feel so much better! All my demons were gone, forgotten buried again! Life was a lovely thing to live again! I was truly happy for the first time in years! I knew that heroin was bad news, but how could something that made me feel so good be so bad? I could always function on heroin, i wasn't like the people in my area who nodded out on the street! No one even knew that i was on heroin, i hid it well! (i still do!) I felt that i had a hold on things for the first time in my life! I'm 40 years old now, older & more stupid it seems coz i waste money on low grade gear! But it just shows that you never ever know what road your life will take you, i had got to 30 years of age with no real bad habits & then suddenly wrong place wrong time & i'm strung out & tormented day & night by heroin cravings, spending every penny of my wages on gear & then spending the rent & bill money for gear, debts spiraling totally out of control!

Anyone else wanna share their story of how & when they got into heroin? Did you see it coming? Do you regret it? & would you change things if you could?

 

[ructions]

Oh and Ructions, I really feel for you ! I really do hope that things finally improve around your way. Want to tell you to try and knock it all on the head for a bit but we all know that the diference between saying it and the reality of actually doing it are like night and day. I can't do it, so I can't expect anyone else to !!

Hi BigNasty!!! Really great to see you back on the thread! Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with the gear! That must have been really scary for you to OD! This bloody drought has caused so many problems! I hope your feeling ok now.

Yeah things are still really bad in Dublin! & your right i should take this opportunity to get away from gear! I have cut back a LOT!!! I only use a few times every 2 weeks, but i'd be better off not using at all! Great to see you back on Bluelight, hope you stick around!!!

 

[Albion]

Look at what these dirty bastards did!!! They gave their baby methadone to 'pacify' him! Another-wards they gave their baby methadone to knock him out so they could get stoned! Sick bastards, they should be locked up forever! Looks like they had been giving the baby methadone for some time coz the poor little pet had built up a tolerance, how could they do something like that? Fucken savages!!!

I can see this having a backlash of people who get take away methadone, things could very well become even more strict!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/01/parents-jailed-toddler-dose-methadone

That's such a bleak case...

Green, 33, and Britton, 35, did not find their son's lifeless body for at least five hours because they were "groggy" and "hungover" after taking drugs and vodka.

Imagine the two parents finding their toddler dead...Going through the trauma of it all, being informed of the cause of death and going through the trauma of knowing they killed their baby too.

It's literally right out of trainspotting...

The most alarming thing about it is that none of this would have happened if either of the parents had any understanding of what methadone actually IS. I don't think they would have given methadone to their baby if they knew how methadone works, how potent the stuff is and the dangers of using it incorrectly.

 

[trip2themoon]

Look at what these dirty bastards did!!! They gave their baby methadone to 'pacify' him! Another-wards they gave their baby methadone to knock him out so they could get stoned! Sick bastards, they should be locked up forever! Looks like they had been giving the baby methadone for some time coz the poor little pet had built up a tolerance, how could they do something like that? Fucken savages!!!

I can see this having a backlash of people who get take away methadone, things could very well become even more strict!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/01/parents-jailed-toddler-dose-methadone

Sadly not the first time I've heard of that. A few years back I read a story about a girl from Greenock who would dip her baby's dummy in Meth to shut her up and knock her out. I can't remember if the wee girl died though.

 

[BigNasty]

Morning All !

Ah Thanks Ructions ! I'm Glad you remember me ! And yes, I couldn't actually believe that I managed to get some gear strong enough to OD on ! I was saying to the paramedics that they cannot have had many ODs recently but they said that they had ? I dont believe them ! Thats the second time now, the first time was a lot worse as I was told that I was actually dead for around 4 minutes (woken up by an adrenaline shot). The second time I came round all of my own accord in the end but was then given naloxone gas as the hospital, even though I thought there was no need. It's not nice being gassed with that stuff it gave me ridiculous shakes !

Well I know it's a bit off topic but I've been up on the aforementioned coke all night now and I still have only snorted a line and have IV'd a small amount. Still 0.7 left from the G. Never had coke like this in my life !

Just done another 0.2 "dans le needle" and I feel awesome again. It feels like I could walk out onto the street and rip a lampost out of the floor ! Am going to wash a bit up in the minute to see what sort of return I get.

Will Need to score a bit of the good old dark soon to calm myself down, although I dont actually feel sketchy like I normally do on Coke. Had a text saying that they have "Proper Old School Gear" so am now compelled to go and sample the goods ! My missus aint gonna be happy she's made plans for us to go out today I think ?

 

[BigNasty]

Does anyone know if chinawhite is still about on here ? Havent read one of his posts for a while.

 

[scrooloose]

Don't post in these threads usually because i'm not a heroin addict/user. Been so near the stuff in the past but would never participate,because i know 100 per cent i would become a full blown addict.

Methadone seems like the devils piss. Why isn't bupe prescribed more often? I take it the truely addicted peeps want to come off the stuff. Has anyone tried kratom to wean off gear? You won't get a buzz off it,but i've heard it could be useful for weaning off.

*The heroin community on here seem pretty sound,just gripped by an addiction. Is it just this town down south that has it's fair share of users who lie,rip off,burgle houses,mug grannies etc? Well of course it isn't,it's certainly like that down here though. I've seen it and is a scene i keep a long distance away from. Oh and families having their children taken away and losing their homes.

edit- i am partial to the occasional bupe binge.

Good luck to anyone trying to rid gear out of their lives.

 

[backroll]

Does anyone know if chinawhite is still about on here ? Havent read one of his posts for a while.

Some stuff the other day was off white so must have been cut china.....Or not as the case maybe, probably something really good cut with a mysterious white substance...

How did the ching wash up??

 

[BigNasty]

Sorry mate, Chinawhite used to post in this forum , I wondered if he still does ?

I didn't wash it up in the end, always the danger that I could waste some of it. Have been IV'ing it instead, feel a million dollars still even though I aint had a wink of sleep !

 

[blondin]

A heart attack means that your heart is stopping beating or beating erratically not beating fast you numpty - research a bit more b4 you put your stories on here. I said that good tar is as good as afghani which it is - it comes up to 80% sometimes but most of the shit in the US is cut unless you live in places like Austin, or border towns or go to mexico and get a good connect.
And yes the gear im getting now is better than PD stuff but its twice the price - as its coming in , in small parcels and if you know the right peoiple you get it without it being stamped on at all, the drought hasnt effected me much at all and whether you believe me or not matters not a jot - I dont know how old you are i guess under 25 im an awful lot older than that so I dont need to lie or try and impress - there are those on here who know me and know that I dont bullshit.

btw to the OP chinawhite is fine but just doesnt post anymore.