12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect

Status
Not open for further replies.
Anyway I have this local connect that is hispanic and runs with other Dominicans and Ricans, and he would listen to me about making bags fatter, or changing up the cut if it sucked. The thing is, I pretended I was just selling it, so he respected me more than his regular customers I guess. Basically if I didn't like his bags I would be like "yo, my boys called me up and said the bags were too small" basically taking my complaints and making them seem like my customer complaints. Then if he still had the same shit I would be like "yo, nobody is buying that and I've still got a few bags lying around that I've gotta flip for what I paid for them, so I can't pick that shit up again until it's a better batch." Sure enough dude would roll up with better stuff the next day. The other thing I did was if I was calling him a lot when he was taking a while and he would get pissed, I would be like "yo for every 1 time I call you I'm getting 3 or 4 calls with people bitching to me waiting on the stuff, so dont get pissed at me."

YES! EXACTLY! That is exactly what I did with that last guy (above 2 posts) since I often don't have track marks being as I snort most often (I still IV sometimes, I try not to though) and it makes my relationship much easier with a dealer, and it looks like I'm flipping it since I usually am spending $300-$500+ every 3 days or so. It also helps me get better deals instead of that 10 or 11 in a bundle crap. I didn't think anyone else was as sly as me lol....
 
^ Haha, yea man, it's the way to go. I would pick up a few buns at a time, and also I made it seem like I mostly sold benzos, and only copped dope for 3 or 4 people, so it justified why I only copped those few buns twice a week. If I ever needed less, I said it was because nobody really needed anything, but I wanted to have a few bags on hand just incase. Also, I tossed the guy a few benzos when I could, or used them to barter with him to make it seem like I actually was pushing them. And I don't shoot either, so I always made it a point to wear short sleeves and show off my arms incase he had any suspicions that I was using.
 
Anyone ever watch the wire? Anyone ever NOT watch the wire? If you all are real junkies you'll have an appreciation for the TV series like no other. It's insane how real life it is. Not that NYPD/Law & Order crap, some real life stuff.

All encompassing what heroin does to a community...

I'm clean for now, but when I get a good bit of money together I'm going to get myself a few bundles and buy the box set. Spend a week or two inside obliterated watching the sale of dope on Bmore streets.

The first series was the best one. The harbor stuff and the newspaper stuff wasn't as good.

You should just steal that off the internet. PM me if you want an invite to a good download torrent site...
 
I've watched the first 2 seasons and thought of dl it on the computer but its not the ssme when I have a 70inch flat screen I can't use
 
I've watched the first 2 seasons and thought of dl it on the computer but its not the ssme when I have a 70inch flat screen I can't use

Yeah but then you burn it to a DVD-R and dig the flat screen action!
 
^ I've used the chord that attaches from your laptop to your TV. Then if you click on the battery options for your laptop you change it so that it stays on even with the laptop closed, so you don't have to keep in open just to watch something on your TV that is playing from the laptop.
 
yeah but there's a lot of shit I can't access with my PS3's browser, and it is real slow when I try to download movies and stuff. Last time I tried it was telling me like 12 hours or some shit that reminds me of like 1999
 
Also I keep hearing about NJ/NY being high quality & high quantity but I guess since I haven't been out coppin anywhere else I just never knew the market was crappier the further you get. From my understanding is that most of the NJ dope comes from NY, I had a dealer who took a trip once every 2 weeks and picked up quite a large batch. Always quality too. There are quite a few black dealers, but columbians and dominicans definitely control the best of the best around here. Not sure if that says much, but just something I realized. I usually stick to people of hispanic race, always seemed like they were out to sell the best quality and control the game through good product & relations instead of murders and beats.

I'd divide it 50/50. I know a lot of NJ dealers go to NYC to cop, but you also can do it the other way around. There are people that control the high-level importation equally on both sides of the river. A lot of Colombians.. Dominicans in NYC and a lot of Puerto Ricans too. Couriers get busted at Newark airport all the time, as the same with JFK and LaGuardia. And you know dope is flowing right into Newark/Elizabeth ports and NYC ports. There are heroin mills in NJ and NYC, huge operations.. they get the weight from the importers or from their bosses in Colombia and mill it to be sold locally. NYC has a good reputation for larger bags than NJ, especially in Brooklyn with the delivery call and meets. The thing is those call and meets double as mills so they keep the bags fat and quality high to keep that fat clientle base. The prices are almost double though than NJ. I think NJ is more about cheaper street sales. The mills sell the bricks to the mid-level guys and street crews who you would see slinging in Newark or Paterson. Cheap, high quality stuff. Thousands of consistent stamps milled out. It's two different markets, slight differences. I think since open air is going underground in NYC the last decade these call and meets provide quality/quantity for more $$ since they control all aspects of the operation aside from the importation. The heroin mills in NJ don't sell directly to the customers, the dealers do that. But I am sure there are exceptions and smaller operations where dudes will buy ounces of raw and cut it and bag it themselves for sale. I know personally one of my dudes in Jersey did that. It's weird that NYC and NJ operate the trade differently. But NYC caters to the more upper class clients, so they just turned their heroin operations into professional run courier services just like the weed delivery or coke/pill delivery operations. Those drug delivery service have a higher quality product for more $$ because the people buying it have $$. You can still go to Harlem or South Bronx and cop in the ghetto similar prices to NJ.
 
I was going to reply to a couple of these last posts but really don't have time. My dealer let me know today he is going into hiding for a bit and will only meet me outside of camden since they had another large bust yesterday.

http://njtoday.net/2012/05/30/25-ar...eged-heroin-distribution-operation-in-camden/
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8682277
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?section=news/local&id=8682363

I've been to 3 of the 4 sets that got taken down, and 2 of the stamps I posted are from the sets that this guy ran. I know At least 5 of the 24 guys pictured and I've probably dealt with more of them I just don't remember them specifically. What's funny though, is that I guess he pushed different stamps on different blocks, but they were all ran under 1 guy. Maybe they did different stamps so that they'd have inward competition? I'm not sure but still very curious about why that is...

Anyway, I'll post back later with replies, figured maybe you guys could get a little glimpse of the camden area. If you use google maps you'll be able to see some of the streets I've actually walked down and copped on. I don't think it's technically considered sourcing anymore since police took over those blocks and did controlled buys and they'll never be open again unless it's by camden police, and I'm sure of it.

4th and royden was the big one with the white building. Other than the blocks this guy ran, there are no sets in the immediate area that hustle dope. He had the whole area there on lockdown.

Oh and PS - Now I'm glad I'm clean! lol...

**edit**
And here is everyone broken down by level of involvement-

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/nj1015.com/files/2012/05/BILLBOARD.jpg
 
Last edited:
I was surprised to learn that Camden dope dealers are mostly hispanic. I guess I always associated open air makets as being run by blacks. What about Chicago, who runs that? Is it the same, where it's mostly hispanic who are more professional, and then there are the blacks that are usually less professional and not as consistent? Are the call and meet dealers more likely to be hispanic, and the open air dealers more likely to be black?

I'd divide it 50/50. I know a lot of NJ dealers go to NYC to cop, but you also can do it the other way around. There are people that control the high-level importation equally on both sides of the river. A lot of Colombians.. Dominicans in NYC and a lot of Puerto Ricans too. Couriers get busted at Newark airport all the time, as the same with JFK and LaGuardia. And you know dope is flowing right into Newark/Elizabeth ports and NYC ports. There are heroin mills in NJ and NYC, huge operations.. they get the weight from the importers or from their bosses in Colombia and mill it to be sold locally. NYC has a good reputation for larger bags than NJ, especially in Brooklyn with the delivery call and meets. The thing is those call and meets double as mills so they keep the bags fat and quality high to keep that fat clientle base. The prices are almost double though than NJ. I think NJ is more about cheaper street sales. The mills sell the bricks to the mid-level guys and street crews who you would see slinging in Newark or Paterson. Cheap, high quality stuff. Thousands of consistent stamps milled out. It's two different markets, slight differences. I think since open air is going underground in NYC the last decade these call and meets provide quality/quantity for more $$ since they control all aspects of the operation aside from the importation. The heroin mills in NJ don't sell directly to the customers, the dealers do that. But I am sure there are exceptions and smaller operations where dudes will buy ounces of raw and cut it and bag it themselves for sale. I know personally one of my dudes in Jersey did that. It's weird that NYC and NJ operate the trade differently. But NYC caters to the more upper class clients, so they just turned their heroin operations into professional run courier services just like the weed delivery or coke/pill delivery operations. Those drug delivery service have a higher quality product for more $$ because the people buying it have $$. You can still go to Harlem or South Bronx and cop in the ghetto similar prices to NJ.

Your post is spot on, and I agree with your description of the NY dope market. NY has the consistent fatter bags, but at a higher price than north NJ, but same as south NJ and Philly, with only the amount of bags per bundle being the difference. If you find a higher up connect, or buy enough to cut out the runner and get closer to the source, naturally the price will be lower. If you have a hispanic dealer than you are more likely to be paying closer to what you pay in north NJ, or even less in some cases. I have never had a black dealer, but I have heard of a few people that cop from them, and there prices are higher since they are copping from the spanish dealers, so need to mark up the price of the bun to make a profit, but those are still the same runner prices as usual. If you have a dealer that supplies the blacks and other hispanic runners, then you've got it made.

My friend with a good Puerto Rican connect gets his stuff for cheap, but that's because the guy bags it himself, but will charge more for other stamps that he copped from someone else if either his raw that he bagged into stamps isn't that good and needs something else to keep his clients happy, or if he is waiting for the re-up and needs something in the meantime so he isn't dry. My other guy has a city connect whose dope is cheap enough that my guy is able to sell it in the suburbs at city prices, but that's also partially because he buys a lot at once, and also because the bags are on the small side [see: purple stamp I posted pics of recently].

Because of these two people, I rarely venture into the city to cop since I get stuff here in the burbs for just about the same price I would be paying if I were to cop in the city. And I can't take their connects since they only sell larger amounts and the most I go through in a week is a bundle, and lately its been even less than that (like 5 bags a week, or 6 in a 10 day period). There is no need to drive to the city which is 45 mins 1 way to cop only a bundle when I can drive less than 10 minutes one way, or better yet have it delivered, and for the same price or little more than I would be paying in the city, plus I would end up doing a lot more dope that way since I would have to buy more, and I'm not one to sit on bags of dope without using them right away. Gas prices alone make it cheaper to buy local, and then there is also the risk factor which is greatly diminished with having someone drop it off a block away from me. I hate copping in cars now since I feel so trapped, so getting it delivered is the way to go, especially when I go down to watch them make the turn off the main road, so I can spot a tail if there ever is one, and then I hop in and since its a few blocks over I would know if I had someone watching me since they would need to follow me since the meet is not discussed on the phone and I don't walk down one block, I walk over a few. Like if I was just walking down the same block then someone could watch, but since its like down 2, and over 4, any type of tail would be obvious.
 
Last edited:
I hate the term 'raw'. Lol that shit is just funny to me. All it is is dope that you guys should be gettin the whole time instead of that stomped on bullshit. Unless of course, you like your heroin cut. To each his own.
 
You have to cut dope or people woulbe dieing left and right..

In chicago thogh most dealers will be black..the Mexicans they tend to be the wholesaler Since they have the crtel connect..the Mexican gangs here tend to not allow street sales in their neighborhoods it brings heat by thepolice and that shit don't fly..they don't even allow bums to beg for change in their area..doesn't mean some don't sell some weed and other things but most don't cause the higher ups don't allow it..atleast this is what I've been told
 
^ Are you sure they are Mexican and not Colombian, Dominican, or Puerto Rican? Since you are getting powder dope I wouldn't think that Mexicans are involved, although I have read of cases where powder dope gets smuggled through Mexico to Texas and then up to NY, so the Mexicans sometimes play a role in the powder heroin trade. And I agree that they gotta cut dope a little. If sniffing 0.2 (from a source that likely cuts it, or 0.15 from the guy that doesn't add cut) gets me as high as I want then pure dope from here would be killing all the people that are new to using it.

I hate the term 'raw'. Lol that shit is just funny to me. All it is is dope that you guys should be gettin the whole time instead of that stomped on bullshit. Unless of course, you like your heroin cut. To each his own.

Well everything is already bagged here, so that term is never used by anybody I know around here. I used it the other day and today though when I was talking about the connect that gets large quantities of heroin from his source, and bags it up without cutting it. I'm not going to call that "un-cut" because it sure as hell isn't 100% pure, so raw seemed like the better term to describe dope that hasn't been cut by the person buying it straight from the guy getting it sent to him from South America. I mean what else should I have called it?

Should all the dealers be doing this and not cutting it at all? Well if all the dealers made an alliance to not cut their dope then maybe it would work without killing as many people, but that will never happen, so dealers gotta cut their dope a little to account for the fact that other dealers do it, and their customers might OD if they don't cut it a little because the dope would be a lot stronger than the competitions (especially if one of the shipment they got is stronger than the competitions shipment), which would be good if it didn't result in dead customers. Also they don't know if their source has 98% pure dope this time, or 60% dope this time. There are seizures of large amounts of dope at ports, and the purity still varies even though it's never been touched in the US yet. So most dealers should be cutting it at least a little so that they aren't putting 98% pure dope onto the streets. That would be killing a lot of people, and people with small habits would be at such high risk to OD. Even with that source I am mentioning, I know to start off doing half the amount of bags from him as I would be doing from a different source since his dope is always stronger. If someone that isn't familiar with this guys stamps stumbles upon it then they better do a tester or else they will have a good chance of ODing. He actually changes up the stamp if a few people OD on his stuff because he doesn't want it coming back to him, although I think it's kinda pointless to worry about that since a lot more people are die off his bags than he will ever hear about.

I don't like the term "raw" in the sense that it's used in Baltimore ie. Raw vs Scram, because I feel like that's just a money making scheme. In reality it's like them saying do you want dope we cut to shit (scram) or the dope we cut less than that (raw). Here though Kilos are picked up by drug rings, then cut and bagged/stamped by the thousands, so you never hear the term raw around here. I'm sure the bags here are better than the "raw" in some places that actually sell like that, because chances are they already got it cut in the US if they aren't at a port and its changed hands already, and when they do get it I doubt they aren't cutting it a little before selling it.
 
Last edited:
if someone uses the term raw here its normally straight rock hard chunks of dope, thats off the ki like how you might get coke if you got a good connect...its been mentioned here that a few people have got raw with a dormin pill in it to cut it themselves but ive never personally seen it

and tommy about them being mexicans or PRs or whatever..in chicago its mostly all mexicans, we got some PRs in humboldt but the majority of the hispanic people here are mexicans...and thats who the black gangs get their drugs from and like i aid the blacks are the only ones that do open air for the most part

mexican gangs here though man are scary cause they just dont care and have been wildin out..everytime i go cop i see people painting over new tags..in this oone half mile strip, kings and SDs are goin at it and the fucked up thing is its like kings got a few streets and then the next street is SDs and so they always shooting and tagging each others shit..like i sdaid a couple weeks ago in broad day light i was gettin gang signs thrown at me cause i was just driving threw wearing a hat but its rare to see the mexican gang bangers out in the daytime, they only come out night
 
Hey guys. Havent been around since I JUST got internet that i moved into. yay!

I also just scooped .5 of some extremely awesome powder and the nod factor is fantastic. what'd i miss?
 
if someone uses the term raw here its normally straight rock hard chunks of dope, thats off the ki like how you might get coke if you got a good connect...its been mentioned here that a few people have got raw with a dormin pill in it to cut it themselves but ive never personally seen it

If that's what you guys call raw that's all we get around here
Straight chunky rocks and or powder with a bunch of little rocks

It's all sold in either half grams or grams
There's no stamps or anything like that here, but also we don't really have the big open air shit anymore so it's all cell phone connects and there are a ton of them

My friend who od'd had a notebook with at least like 70 numbers I'd say
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top