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12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect
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SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
Anyone ever watch the wire? Anyone ever NOT watch the wire? If you all are real junkies you'll have an appreciation for the TV series like no other. It's insane how real life it is. Not that NYPD/Law & Order crap, some real life stuff.
All encompassing what heroin does to a community...
I'm clean for now, but when I get a good bit of money together I'm going to get myself a few bundles and buy the box set. Spend a week or two inside obliterated watching the sale of dope on Bmore streets.The Wire was great. It's one of the best shows to watch youtube clips on since there were so many good scenes and quotes. I used to do the Omar whiste (the farmer and the dell) when I was walking home from bars at night all shit faced, thinking that people wouldn't fuck with me since I probably seemed crazy. I only did it on the dark side streets that I took, and if I was alone.
I copped some dope today, pretty good stuff. Nothing to write home about, but definitely above average stuff, and the count is decent considering the current state of the game. It's a blank purple stamp outta BK, but it's folded and taped unlike some of the blanks that aren't individually taped. I took a pic since it's not everyday you see a purple stamp, although this dude has had them for a minute.
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That line is one bag, so it breaks out pretty nice, and it's that nice beige dope. The bag is unfolded there, but came like any other NYC bag folded into the rectangle and taped closed, just not stamp though.
SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
You guys n the omar whistle lol...
But yea the wire has so many great quotes. Mostly omar, but there are a few others. Usually snoops, bunks, and bubbles quotes crack me up the most.
Wow that's different. I've gotten blue, white, red, and yellow bags, never purple. Also you guys in NY always gotta cop in the hood as well? Just wonderin since the only times I have it's been pretty shitty (not as shitty as camden, but close...)
RidingtheBrownline
Bluelighter
the average bags in chicago are way fatter than the stamps on the east coast. bags prob average about .2 in chicago as opposed as what seems like less than .1 on the east coast.
Related reading. You can post about it there since that's the designated thread for discussion about it.
Most people cop in the Bushwick area of Brooklyn, which is primarily a hispanic neighborhood. All call and meet, but there's not place to meet that is any better than others, although some are closer to white areas I guess. There are delivery services that meet right by the expressway, so that's better than going deeper into areas where there are no other white people
Yup. Those bags are really cheap (about half what you pay for normal bags, nevermind dubs since they don't exist here), so you get what you pay for in terms of weight I guess. Those bags are less than .1, and are about 2/3 to 3/4 the size of normal bags here which are also just as cheap. You also have to consider that they don't use dormin to cut dope here, and I have never had any problems with my nose like I hear you guys mentioning. Most dealers obviously cut their dope, but they usually use b vitamin, and not a lot of it. Bags will look small but get me rocked so I'm usually surprised at how potent the dope is since such tiny amounts have me floored. I sniffed 4 of those purple bags and got a really strong nod, and didn't need any more than that. I haven't sniffed more than 4 bags since December when my tolerance was at its peak, and 3 is usually all I do to get high now that I use 3x a week tops, and 4 to get as high as I would like, and again that's with sniffing it.
One of my sources doesn't cut his dope from the ki at all, and just bags it as he gets it. I mentioned it kinda recently in this thread, but my friend called bullshit on the dealer when he said that, so to prove he doesn't cut it he scraped some dope off his raw package and bagged it straight up for my friend, giving him half his bags like that, and the other half was from what he had bagged up prior to us copping, and it was exactly the same. I'll take lighter bags with no cut over heavier bags with cut any day, but obviously there is going to be some cut, and even the one dude that doesn't cut the dope is probably getting it at 80% purity and up, but probably no higher than low 90s (at least that's what I would expect the purity of ki's to be since average dope on the street level in NY is around 50% down from over 60% in recent years) and could be as low as 60% since I have read of DEA seizures of kilos at the ports in NY being in the 60% range, but mostly high 80s, low 90s. He's the exception though since pretty much all dealers cut their dope, but at least it's only cut once at the high levels since the big operations get the dope, cut it, and bag it by the thousands into stamp bags which aren't going to get cut again.Last edited:
The info is too incriminating to post so I removed it, but yea I'm pretty sure that's what's going on.Last edited:
patricknyc28
Bluelighter
Whats up?
how was everyone's weekend?
I'm just chillin noddin waiting for the new workaholics and Tosh.0 to come on tonight!
nod on everyone!
SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
Sounds like you guys have an easier to deal with drug market (see: Less risky) than NJ markets, but probably not by a whole lot. And yea I hear the hispanic neighborhoods control shit up there. It's pretty mixed down here between black dealers and spanish dealers. Occasionally a white one here or there but I never mess with them. Supposedly a notorious white guy who deals down here in camden with a pretty white name (don't know of any minorities with the name as a common reference) I'm sure it can't be good for police relations though, and easy to target (though I've met a lot of light skinned spanish guys nick named "White Boy" or "White Kid" or "Cracker" or "Whitey")
Also just wanted to note about light bags vs heavy bags. I realize more often then not the lighter bags are of better quality containing less cut. I'm usually quick to get my panties in a bunch of the quantity of my bags isn't on point but I always at least give them a shot before I call my dealer and bitch or find a new connect. The bulldozer bags (as I call them since they are so fat) usually aren't the best quality, but the quantity makes up for it.
yeah just like tommy said their dope is cheaper and better then ours as a whol.. you can go out there and get a jab for less then a note..it might only be 10 or 11 bags but your payin a little more then half a jab value for it..you can prolly get 2 bundles for the price of one of our jabs if you know the right people..they just know how to do it out there..instead of every group bagging their own bags one guy out there will prolly make 10k bags so its all consistant and the same for months..sure its smaller but id rather snort 5 one line bags then have to snort 8 or 10..2-3line bags
like he said they cut it right and have no problems snorting the shit..here they use dormin cause its like benedryl and helps potentiate the nod..i always wonder if we are addicted to dormin just as much as we are to dope, like if i go buy a box of dormin and snort one or 2 when im sick, if it would make me feel better a littleLast edited:
SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
What exactly defines a "Jab" - I'm not up on my tar dope lingo.
To put it basically like this (as best I can without prices) - A bundle is usually a gram. Now, notice I said usually. I posted (possibly previous in this thread or another) that I have had bundles of 10 weigh as a little as .6 or bundles of 14-15 weigh as much as 2 grams. It varies greatly, but the median quantity is usually 11 in a bundle (in Camden) and about a straight gram or 1.1 per bundle. It also helps to know what the dealers get in bundles (some only get 13, some get 14 or 15) to use as a negotiating tool when purchasing in bulk. My dealer now gets 14/bundle, meaning if he sells bags as singles, he makes 4 bags of profit per bundle. If he sells a bundle of 11 as a whole, he makes 3 bags of profit per bundle. I had a guy who got 17 per bundle since he bagged himself and on orders of 5+ bundles he would do 14, and on 7+ bundles he did 15.
Again that's best I can say without posting direct prices for correlation to price per bag and bundle but I think you can get the basic gist of it. I'm not sure how your dope scene works but ours is pretty easy once you learn it. Also for basic terminology::
Bag/Stamp/Small - Single bag serving of dope
Bun/Bundle/Large - 10-13 Bag deal or set of bags based upon your purchase amount and dealer
Brick/Pack - Can vary, but most often 5 bundles packaged up set upon the understand of a set price or deal for buying in large quantity
Anything larger is usually called by it's weight with the exception of fingers. Notably since they were placed in rubber glove fingers cut off from the hand part. Usually from my understanding, about 10 grams but can exceed that or even be smaller. Up to the discretion of the buyer and seller.
Often my wording to my dealers:
"Hey lemme get a brick, 2 large, and 5 small" Meaning 7 bundles and 5 loose. Sometime people substitute "Bundle" for sock and "Brick" for "Boot"
It varies but mostly what I've recognized in my area.what makes you think i get tar??? my location flat out says chicago man
and a jab is a c-note and normally 12-14 bags (i know no prices but thats what it means)..its basically the chicago version of a bundle but jabs are univrsally one price,the only thing is the amount of bags, that varies between dealers... while bundles yall get can very in price and bags depending on the dealer..Last edited:@Smok3y: I've heard Camden bags are fatter than the rest of Jersey. There aren't many sources around here that have .1 bags, and more are closer to .05-.06 or so, but if you have the right hook you will be getting bags that don't dip below .08. In the last couple of years the average potency of dope has gone down a little, but that's mostly because there are all these new dealers that popped up that run smaller operations and make their bags small or with more cut. The crews that always had the good dope still have the good dope so it's not like the purity of their shit has gone down. It's the new crews that heard all the fuss about the heroin epidemic and figured they would get in on the action and make some money that are at fault for the drop in purity on the street level.
Also the noobs that don't know any better and keep buying from those people who are part of the problem too, but if you know your shit you can still get the fatter bags of good dope, and avoid any of the bullshit dealers. When I got back into the scene after a few years of only occasion copping I was like wtf when I saw some of the bags going around here. Part of it was that some little crews in the suburbs started copping a little dope from their cousins or whatever from the city, and started bagging and slinging it here in the burbs, but made the bags small, or average with a little more cut. Then I came across a few bags that were the size I remembered, and the strength I remembered them being, and I was happy to see that crews were still putting out that good good, so after that I only picked up from 1 or 2 people with those old school bags as I called them, unless I was desperate and would cop the smaller bags that were still alright though too.
I'm sure that when it comes down to it the dope in NY/NJ and Chicago will get you just as high for the same price, but I'm just happy that I don't have to put a ton of powder up my nose to get high, and the cut around here isn't bad on your nose.
SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
Sorry for my ignorance, I though Chi-town was tar, I didn't know powder spread that far towards the midwest. You guys are right past indiana, I didn't think powder had that large of a control area.
Goes back to what I said in an earlier post in this thread - I never mess with younger guys. Old heads (or dope sets) that have been around a long time are the best ones to go to. The set that I was going to in camden had the same stamp for over 10 years. There is another one right around the corner who has been flippin the same stamp for closer to 20. Reliability, that's really the most I ask for, and those sets that have been around for so long obviously are doing something right. What it says to me is product has been good enough that control of the block hasn't been sold and that obviously the way they run it is efficient enough to get you in and out without a slew of police troubles....
Also I keep hearing about NJ/NY being high quality & high quantity but I guess since I haven't been out coppin anywhere else I just never knew the market was crappier the further you get. From my understanding is that most of the NJ dope comes from NY, I had a dealer who took a trip once every 2 weeks and picked up quite a large batch. Always quality too. There are quite a few black dealers, but columbians and dominicans definitely control the best of the best around here. Not sure if that says much, but just something I realized. I usually stick to people of hispanic race, always seemed like they were out to sell the best quality and control the game through good product & relations instead of murders and beats.
highhooked
Bluelighter
Crazy how much bags of heroin can vary in potency and weight!
Everytime I cop I always just get 2 bags and I never know what to expect. Sometimes I get an instant nod going and sometimes I will just feel straight.
I guess its all part of the fun...
SM0K3Y
Bluelighter
I should be getting more shit later on tonight (which are some of the fattest bags I've ever gotten) I'll post pics to show you guys some of the stuff I get.
Also, I dunno if anyone has ever had a dealer that bagged bundles themselves, but I had one guy and I used to be able to tell him to fatten the bags and a day or two later his next batch would be extremely fat. He even double sided them and still gave me plays on it.
I had one dude like that, although the BK source bags his own shit, but I don't think he would listen about the size of bags, plus it's never really an issue with him, especially with his low prices.
Anyway I have this local connect that is hispanic and runs with other Dominicans and Ricans, and he would listen to me about making bags fatter, or changing up the cut if it sucked. The thing is, I pretended I was just selling it, so he respected me more than his regular customers I guess. Basically if I didn't like his bags I would be like "yo, my boys called me up and said the bags were too small" basically taking my complaints and making them seem like my customer complaints. Then if he still had the same shit I would be like "yo, nobody is buying that and I've still got a few bags lying around that I've gotta flip for what I paid for them, so I can't pick that shit up again until it's a better batch." Sure enough dude would roll up with better stuff the next day. The other thing I did was if I was calling him a lot when he was taking a while and he would get pissed, I would be like "yo for every 1 time I call you I'm getting 3 or 4 calls with people bitching to me waiting on the stuff, so dont get pissed at me."- Status
