Whoah 2C-T-7 (combo?!) really fucked me up !

[Kishka]

Oh my god!

I've spent the most horrible night of my life. It's now 1:16 PM and I still feel like I destroy everything in my body.

Ok some days before I've made a thread about combining Alprazolam and 2C-T-7 to ease the anxiety. Yesterday during that day I was already on 6mg Alprazolam. Me and my friends planned to go to a bar in the city centre (Trance music was played during all the night). Just before going to the bar I thought It will be a great idea to take some 2C-T-7 (My second time). To ease the anxiety, I pop a 2mg xannie bar, wait like 15 minutes then I took about 25mg of 2C-T-7 in powder form.

Then we went to the bar and nothing happened. I've wait at least 2 hours and no sign of psychedelic effects or bodyload. So I thought that the Alprazolam I took just before the 2C-T-7 may kill the entire trip. I was sad and I decided to take a beer.

It felt good and I started drinking more and more... I sat on the chair and I started to feel lightheadness, I attributed this to the heat of the bar with many people in the dancing room.
I went out to smoke a cigarette (because It was so hot inside), and there in amazement, I look a person in front of me and I see his head like a scary skeleton just like this image

!

I though it was due to the heavy alcool shot I've done but no! I was sweating so damn much and start to trembling! I returned to the bar, scared and in panic but it was worse than I had anticipated, the 2C-T-7 was kicking...Music from the bar was not the same and the general atmosphere was really creepy, everyone's head was like the picture above. I was in the dancing room, out of my mind and I was scared that these skeletons were going to catch me to be like us. 8( I just scream and cry like a crazy people.

I thought the skeleton would rape me, I started to lose myself in the bar and I could not find my friend! The music had become "calm" and everyone was talking on my back, they were going to work together to rape me and hurt me. I could not get out of the bar, I started to really panic and I went upstairs in the bar and destroyed the glasses that were on the table. I became aggressive, I threw a drink on someone and I struggled. The skeletons were taking me in their arms. I just cry more! I completely lost my mind.

Then I remember I was outside and many people were looking at me. I thought then I was really crazy and they were going to put me in a psych ward. The trees moved in a creepy way. Now, I'm in the street with my friend and some people that I don't even know. I think that everything was a dream, that I'm just trapped forever with the 2C-T-7's power.

Then I can't recall many things but the last thing I remember it's that I woke up in the bathroom of my friend. I looked in the mirror and I have a "black eye" on my left eye. My pants is torn, I've lost my bag with my money and everything (or I've been robbed during the influence of this INSANE combo that I did not expect). My hair's extensions have been ripped. I also have small cuts on my lips that hurt so badly. There was vomit on the floor of the bathroom and I was locked in the bathroom! Hopefully after screaming for help my friend open the door.

She said that during the night, I start to act very strangly. I was screaming loudly to people on the bar, I freaked out and I threw drinks to people's face and hit many guys and girls that was in the dancing room, so they started to hit me too and a girl was pulling my hair (I don't remember these parts!, It's HORRIBLE) The partygoers (kind of security guys) kicked me out of the bar and they called the police. That's why I was then outside with my friends running in the street to her house. She then told me she was scared too because we could have been in troubles with police.

They managed to keep me quite because apparently I was screaming out of my mind and looked totally fucked up. She said that we've been kicked from the bar at 4:00AM (We went to the bar at 8:00PM ~ !!).

In my friend house, she locked me in her bathroom because I was so agressive with her and I wanted to destroy everything in her house I felt so terrible because I'm not that kind of girl at all.

I'm now in my appartment, feeling so fucked up in my head and my "friend" now says she don't want to see me anymore for some times because for her, I'm a crazy and a psycho girl 8(

Do you think that the alcohol fucked everything with the 2C-T-7 ? I really though the 2C-T-7 will not working due to the Alprazolam 2mg I took just before (I was on 8mg Alprazolam in total, taken during all the day). I throw my baggie of 2C-T-7 in fear, just looking at the baggie make me want to vomit!

Will I stay in this state forever ?

Also, sry for my english okay?

 

[Bagseed]

you think it is a good idea to go to a bar after taking a psychedelic for the second time (even if you were on a benzo)? also, combining benzos and lots of alcohol is a pretty shitty idea, even on its own. consider it a bitchslap, and for your own sake stay away from any psychedelic for some time. i think you will be ok though, and imo it's normal to be freaked out for some time after a really bad trip.

and btw, if you've read more on combining benzos with psychedelic, you would have known that most people say that it doesn't kill a trip completely.

how old are you btw. you sound like a pretty naive girl (no offense)

 

[Kishka]

I'm 21. And I already went to a bar on 2C-D & DOC and there is no problem at all.

 

[Identity888]

Age does not really matter here.

To ease the anxiety, I pop a 2mg xannie bar, wait like 15 minutes then I took about 25mg of 2C-T-7 in powder form.

Because of anxiety I have taken and mixed so many various drugs and always excessively. You need to find another way to treat it. What a hell, try Ayahuasca. It would be much better than mix benzos with alcohol and it might really help you in long term.

 

[Bagseed]

I'm 21. And I already went to a bar on 2C-D & DOC and there is no problem at all.

thing about psychedelics is that their effects are unpredictable to some extent. maybe if you took doc instead of 2c-t-7 that night you would have freaked out too?

to me it sounds that you treat such powerful drugs with little respect.

 

[Kishka]

thing about psychedelics is that their effects are unpredictable to some extent. maybe if you took doc instead of 2c-t-7 that night you would have freaked out too?

to me it sounds that you treat such powerful drugs with little respect.

I'm not okay with your statement. I can handle powerful substance alone, like I said I though the 2C-T-7 was not working, so I've add alcohol to the mix.... Maybe this shit made me confuse and start to freak out, it's one possibility. Maybe they don't mix well together.

 

[Bagseed]

i think you don't even get my point.

 

[Kishka]

Be more explicit then.

 

[i against i]

benzo's and alcohol you lost inhibitions and memory, and pretty high dosage of a powerful psych in an unfamiliar place and you're suprised this happened?

 

[Bagseed]

well you take a strong psychedelic in an uncontrolled environment, preload with a shitload of alprazolam because you obviously cannot handle tripping without it, then after only 2 hours without obvious effects (which isn't that long, especially regarding the benzo you took before which may have dulled the come-up) you think it's a good idea to get drunk? does that sound like responsible use to you (or anyone else)?

if you don't get it now, i think i will stop talking some sense into you.

*massive facepalm*

and btw, i'm only 20 too, but from your posts and your naivety i thought you must be somewhere between 16 and 18 tbh...

 

[i against i]

o snap

 

[bluedolphin]

Who ever told you taking benzos before a trip would cancel it out? That's never the case. They only reduce anxiety (and sometimes they can actually let you trip more deeply because of this).

In the future if you eat a psychedelic you should always assume that it will work. And probably no more "trips" to bars?

 

[Survived Abortion]

Alprazolam is known for causing paradoxical effects, probably for two reasons:

1. It causes marked removal of social inhibitions, very much like alcohol does.

2. It has such a short duration, and with long-term excessive use at high doses, there is a constant 'swing' between the therapeautic state, and inter-dose withdrawals where plasma levels are low.

I can confirm from the standpoint of a previous long-term addiction to diazepam that the latter does indeed happen, and gets worse the longer you take it, and the higher the dose you use it at. And this is from a long-acting benzo like diazepam. It is much worse with alprazolam.

And then, you mixed it with alcohol, which made the situation all the worse.

You really need to take a step back and re-evaluate your relationship to these substances. I also learned the hard way that a dependence upon benzos is a terrible thing, and I also learned that such a dependence can turn in to an existential nightmare when combined with psychedelic drugs.

Please don't think that Xanax is going to permanently provide you with some safety blanket from the horrors of your subconscious. The longer you stay on them, the longer you keep squashing your psyche down like a pressure cooker, and at some point it is going to blow.

The only way to deal with it is to turn the ship around and sail in to the wind. It really is.

Don't let this stop you taking psychedelics. In fact, this would be a very bad point at which to stop taking them. You never want to end a relationship on a bad note - it will stay with you, and you will need to try and come to terms with it. On the contrary, the best way to deal with the aftermath is to climb straight back on the horse. Use psychedelics responsibly, and then take much time between trips to integrate your experiences, and let it unfold naturally in the course of time.

Ease yourself back in with a mild trip of something like 2C-C, and then get off the damn benzos. After you have gone through the hell of withdrawal for a few months, start tripping again, and I guarantee it will be a whole new ballgame.

 

[Cyanoide]

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but I found myself in the situation of saying "I told you so". I have no intention of being arrogant, but I did say to you to not take alcohol for the come-up. Alcohol is in itself intoxicating, can be unpredictable and even more so it can make trips unpredictable. Benzo's are more reliable in this regard, because they don't intoxicate and confuse you as much as alcohol. Now you did something even worse; you mixed alcohol with benzos on your second trip with this compound. I have no problems taking a few beers on trips (I actually feel like something's missing if I don't take a couple of beers, it's just the sense of taste is heightened so much) while being on benzos, but I'm a benzo addict, and have a monstrous tolerance to benzos. Even when taking these things into consideration, I never drink when I try a new compound.

I don't know how to phrase myself without being rude but there are some facts that can't be denied. I hope you can take constructive criticism and not interpreting it as a personal attack on you. If you cannot take criticism, you're not ready for psychedelics anyway.

You're young (I don't think 21 is too young for tripping, but it's a young age nonetheless). You're a novice when it comes to psychedelics. You're a bit naive too. You've started a bit in the "wrong end" too so to speak. 2C-C was a good choice for a beginners psychedelic, I grant you that. But now you're trying some very long-acting psychedelics (didn't you try DOC too? That stuff lasts faaar too long for me, and I consider myself a relatively experienced psychonaut), and for novices 12-24 hour trips are just very long.

Set and setting. A bar? Or a trance party or whatever. I mean psytrance is the passion of my life but I've once gone to a party on LSD and that was the first and last time I ever go to a party on psychedelics. The sensory input was absolutely overwhelming, my mind was trying to analyze and process every single stimuli which lead to extreme confusion. A bar or party is just not the place you go to on your second trip with any psychedelic, and especially in your case when you had strong fears of anxiety and had to take benzos, and even worse, an alcohol shot. What were you thinking? This is not how you approach new psychedelics. Psychedelics must be respected, you now know what it's like if you start acting casually with them.

Also, what is your purpose for using psychedelics? On what grounds do you choose a certain compound, like 2C-T-7 in this case? Are you sure psychedelics are your thing?

You've stated you want to dig deeper in the world of psychedelics. I really urge to do some thorough research before even considering e.g. certain tryptamines that are far more serious by their nature than 2C-T-7 (which really isn't considered to belong to the more deeper and spiritual psychedelics, although it is highly visual but that doesn't mean anything really). Move on carefully, read more, read even more, ask questions but don't ignore the answers, learn from other's experiences and thoroughly think through why you want to use psychedelics. You can't just take any random psychedelic and expect it to make everything magic. The skeletons you spoke about, they were not produced by 2C-T-7 itself, they were projections by your mind. Psychedelics give you the tools, but it's up to you how you use them.

No, you won't "stay in that state" forever. Some trips can be very traumatizing and I strongly urge you not to take any psychedelic for some time now (I'm not saying you shouldn't take them, but take a short break from them at least).

Regarding benzos, they don't cancel or stop a trip, they can make it dull but that's it. You need antipsychotics to stop a trip.

Lastly, Kishka, why do you ask for advice here before trips when you don't follow any advice many experienced psychonauts give you? I'm more than happy to help out but it's frustrating when you ignore everything that's said to you.

 

[Bagseed]

Lastly, Kishka, why do you ask for advice here before trips when you don't follow any advice many experienced psychonauts give you?

well obviously she "can handle powerful substance alone", so it's all good 8)

good post btw ^. i agree with pretty much everything you said.

 

[SirTophamHat]

Xanax in that amount combined with alcohol is pretty much a guaranteed blackout, when you decide to add a very powerful psychedelic into the mix you get that sort of fear which will cause this reaction. I am surprised you thought that those two types of recreation go hand in hand.

Next time leave the benzos at the door and don't trip until you can handle a more responsible set and setting. For your own safety...

 

[Trylandair]

wow, if you were trying to get fucked up you succeeded. I've mixed beer with 2C-T-7 after the trip was already kicked in and it was wonderful AT A LOW DOSE... you learn something new everyday, maybe you needed to learn that yourself? An example? Not trying to be mean, but slow down. Mixing alcohol with pills especially anxiety pills is blackout territory. First time I learned that my friend was chasing an ambulance telling it to fuck off then he puked on himself and threw his jacket so I gave him mine which he freaked about wearing when he woke up, still took a few years to learn the lesson though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(alcohol-related_amnesia) maybe learning how the body works so you have more control will ease your anxiety.

 

[Termino]

I'd guess the combination of pills & "drinking more & more' was largely responsible for the blackout. Somewhere in there the 2C-T-7 kicked in & pushed you over the edge. I haven't tasted 2C-T-7 but I certainly have experienced amazingly slow comeups with 2C-E. 2 hours isn't really that long.

I just looked on Erowid and read about some deaths associated with 2C-T-7... out of the 2 relatively complete writeups, they mention things such as:
"He became increasingly agitated over the next sixty minutes, yelling about being attacked by an 'evil spirit,' "
"The man became aggressive, flailing about, kicking, and punching quite energetically "
"became dissociated and violent "
"He was physically small, but he punched, kicked, and bit me and the person helping me in an agressive manner that belied his very small frame. It was like an evil spirit was leaving his body."

Erowid also states: "As with most psychedelics, there is also the possibility of anxiety or panic attacks. In a few higher dose cases, severe dissociation has been reported where the user experienced loss of memory, mental confusion, and extreme inability to deal with real-world situations while fully physically functional. Some reports include the user becoming unusually enraged and violent."

OK, now combine all that with the heavy sensory input from the bar environment. Whew!! Be careful...

 

[sockpuppet]

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[omicamushroom]

Well... it seems like a lot of people are bashing you. That's not very nice.

Xanax (benzos) and alcohol is a dangerous combination on its own.

Alcohol, tobacco, and psychedelics can get you quite spun. For me, it is always especially the tobacco. If I'm tripping hard and have drank a decent amount, and I smoke 1 cigarette... I'm done. Things amplify a whole lot. I get dizzy.

I'd say if you are gonna use t-7 save it for more special occasions. Don't use it with an excess of other drugs. t-7 alone is pretty great. 2ci or 2cc I think would work better with going to the bar. Save t-7 for a club adventure, home adventure, or woods / nature adventure. 2ci and 2cc seem a little more benign. I've only done t-7 twice, but both experiences were very different. And stick to low doses if you plan on drinking.

I don't like to drink with psyches. I had a bad experience once.