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Superiority

carlqua, the banishment of spirituality would be like banning sports or art or jokes. Like spirituality, none of these things are absolutely necessary, and there will always be people who can do without one or more of them just fine. But bans on them will never be popular, because they serve human needs.

In the case of spirituality, neither you nor anyone else can stop people from wondering, hoping, and searching for clues that their lives might be part of some greater plan. For some people, that search involves drugs, and often psychedelics.

It always chapped my ass to see people who post about taking drugs with a spiritual agenda, or interpreting their drug experiences in spiritual terms, given a hard time here at BL. The spiritual quest has been a motivation for altered states since we became sentient creatures. If the best English language forum for drug users is not a welcome place for self-made shamans, that's a problem.
 
You are right MyDoorsAreOpen in my view that's unfortunate but you are totally right.
Aetherius Rimor you have extremely valid points, I do not want to take up philosophy as it does not interest me in the way science does. You seem to all want to gang up on me because I admitted I am not university educated and tell me I don't know how to debate yet all you seem to be interested in doing is picking apart what I say and mock me, at least I can admit my standings and how educated I really am instead of trying to appear like something I am not online.
I'm unsubscribing and pulling out of this debate, it's awful and I grow weary of it, I'm sure you will all be contempt on talking behind my back and continuing arguing with me because ,yet you will get no replies.
 
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I think the 'superiority' also comes from the very nature of debate and how one comes across when they are speaking of 'higher powers'
 
Most of the times what have written in your density you will achieve it without no fear. I have seen people who have superior complex but I think they should be willing to support to society too.
 
Ok, when I started to really get deep into psychedelics I too revered them as sacrament and would proselytize incessantly, and of course I kept shitting on other peoples DOC. My theory back then was that psychs would turn you in a better version of yourself if you kept eating them long enough. I know, pretty naive right? Then I started to read up on the subject and stumbled over Timothy Leary. How could the sixties acid pope be such a narcissistic, pompous elitist asshole even after gobbling up such enormous amounts of entheogens? That gave me pause. It was easy to spot after this realisation that a lot of the most fervent psychedelia advocates got nowhere with their use, some stuck in textbook cases of arrested development. I still revere psychs, they are actually the only tools for self development who really made a difference within a reasonable timespan (psychotherapy for various reasons wouldn't go far, and behavioural change by any other means didn't produce satisfying results despite trying as hard as I could). But they don't work automatically and with everyone. And as far as my path's concerned, I sincerely hope that I finally learned to discern real progress from delusions and wishful thinking (can be tricky let me tell you, I'm became pretty proficient at deceiving myself, had whole lifetime to perfect the art).
 
^ See our thread in P&S about mental illness vs. shamanism. The point I make there is that mental illness is defined by debilitation, not (just) odd mindstates. I would believe that one in four adults, if not more, have experienced unusual thought, emotional, or perceptual states. But I'd question whether that many are in need of intervention by healthcare and mental health professionals in order to cope with life.
 
superiority is an attitude and pretentious attitudes do crop up everywhere- lsd has given me a belief in the universe being a spiritual thing where everything is made of light and is one whole in some form or another and that the vibrations you put into the universe call things towards you so be carefull what you wish for. i dont believe in ghosts, a god that is a sentient being, or jins/angels (black magic/juju) and all that backward categorical crap made up by superstious retards to use as an excuse to do whatever they want.

lsd did turn me on the amazing true infinite nature of our endless world but i dont think that mystical spirits and shamanism is relevant for me as a person
 
Since most of my responses to the run-ons have been said, there's not much left lol.
Just to clarify something though, Tibetan buddhist monks were tyrannical and sadistic rulers of their villages for a long time.
Just saying, nobody and nothing is infallible.
 
ParappaTheRapper said:
Creativity and bipolar tend to go hand in hand.
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My best work is done in depression (if I can muster enough energy) or manic phases, and medication completely killed my ability to work in my career (software development).
But the increase in creativity seems to be more in line with the concept of non-linear thinking. Culturally we value linear/logical thinking. An example of the two is as follows:

Linear thinking:

1. Store owner needs to increase profits, so he looks at his options with the merchandise he has.
2. Increase advertising to get more sales, or increase prices to increase profit margin.

Non-linear thinking:

1. Same as above, but why start the logical deduction process at with the merchandise he has? That's an arbitrary starting point which is unneeded.
2. Options now available: Adding more profitable merchandise to the list, sourcing cheaper manufacturers to obtain merchandise, and probably other ideas I can't think of right now.

The difference between the two as I've read, is that the problem with linear thinking is defining a starting point and list of "givens" prior to coming to a logical conclusion. Non-linear thinking removes that requirement. There is no starting point for a logical deduction. The list of "givens" can be modified and changed. This makes a logical conclusion far more difficult, but increases the range of options available that appear viable.

My explanation is rather simplistic, since I haven't ventured much into the information available about the different modes of thought, but basic concept should be obvious.

Psychosis (separation from reality) allows non-linear thinking to occur far more easily it seems. Whether the psychosis is sensory (hallucinations) or emotional (mood disorders) doesn't seem to matter.
 
ParappaTheRapper said:
Seeing as delusions of grandeur, mania, hyper-religiosity, etc., are common symptoms of many diseases, then couldn't this explain the behavior of someone like Timothy Leary then for example?
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Still, for as much damage as he did to the image of drug-use, he certainly helped along evolution a little faster. (In my opinion).
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No, the man did not have a mental illness and he didn't slip into one triggered by his drug use. No, i think he was all but devoid of empathy all along and coveted power and influence more than the enlightenment he kept preaching to maintain his image as pop culture saint. Disingenuous to the point of total treachery. That's my take on the whole story. Even if you're totally disinterested in or unmoved by the spiritual and transcendent aspect of psychedelics they can be invaluable tools to facilitate complex problem solving and abstract thinking. And I know people who'd keep doing them for precisely this purpose who managed to keep their personality, identity, self whatever you may call it completely intact despite continuously exposing themselves to experiences who must at some point make them seriously doubt those constructs.
 
Thought I would check this thread out. I've passed over it these past few days. Haven't read any of the posts really... just the starter.

I hear ya man. I had a friend once who with every passing psychedelic experience he had, he thought he knew more than anyone else.

and then that one day when he came telling me about the wonders of cactus juice... he kept saying you don't even know man... you don't even know.

I may not know exactly what cactus juice was or is... but I have, and had at the time, a great many trips on mushrooms, acid, and a few other goodies. And so yeah I guess I don't know. But it definitely was a moment where I sensed that he thought he was superior for having done the cactus juice.

Strange shit man... People have one experience and they claim to know. I've had dozens... 100s of psychedelic experiences... and I'll still go the socratic way - I know that I know nothing.


I think it is all about letting the world develop, and never thinking you are more important than any other thing, or that you know more than any other thing. You learn through experience. And even then you don't know as much as you think you know....


What can we expect from a species that thinks all non-humans are inferior.

Well maybe I'm a Dasein.... but maybe everything is a Dasein. It seems more likely to me.

Peace...
 
Cactus juice is mescaline. But yah man, panexperientialism, how does humanity keep trying to refute that? Lol.
 
Heh heh. Oh Carlqua, I didn't realize how young you were. I simply had misgivings about the relevance of my post -- the one you voiced so much consternation towards -- immediately after I made it, and that doubt was reflected in my response to you. Having read more of you, now I see different. Given your fascination with neuroscience, you might be interested to know that my major was physical psychology, and that I have worked in a neuroscience lab and even have my name published as a co-author (granted, neuroscience was not my ultimate path), yet despite all that hard-edged knowledge somehow all my artful whimsies, superior airs, and twee redundancies continue on to eat at your perception like the vomit of consciousness (huh?). You don't like philosophy? Well, what about philosophy of science -- I myself am a fan of Lakatos, how about you? Oh fuck, let's just be out with it: I am superior to you, and that's why you're so pissy. If you don't like that you can eat my diamond encrusted asshole -- how's that for maturity monkey boy? The next time you find yourself irritated by my style instead of reading on just drop trou and stick your cock in your eye, bwahahaha!
 
maybe a lot of the perceived superiority is actually more of a 'you don't know what you're missing' type of deal
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
On a psychological level, notwithstanding addiction, I believe our class carries significantly higher statistical risks.
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You think occasional use of psychedelics is more dangerous to mental health than using heroin and crack? Any reason why?
 
Why would the psychedelic use be occasional while the crack or heroin was used regularly?
That's apples and oranges man. But I can still clarify for you.

Heroin carries physical risk more than mental (notwithstanding addiction), and while crack can make you pretty weird while high, those oddities go away when you're sober. Psychedelics on the other hand, while generally much safer physically, can pretty easily radically alter personalities, and with heavy use, can lead to psychosis.
 
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