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25i-NBOMe - My hallucinations of Death

JasperTheReckless

JasperTheReckless

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25i-NBOMe - My hallucinations of Death (4.5mg)

The day started out as a normal tripping weekend would, I woke friday, watched me some Pulp Fiction, facebooked a bit, played Dark Souls til my friends came to pick me up. They arrive at my house, shook up, talked excitedly a bit, I gave one friend, we'll call him T, a gift, a Xanax 1mg, that I had simply saved as an afterthought a few days prior. W is driving, and i'm laying across the backseat, we joke the whole way, having a good time.

We stop to scoop a friend who is of age to acquire some 190 proof alcohol for us, to mix up our batch that night. Everything goes well. We head back to out hometown, and stop off to get a few minor supplies; again, all is good.

We get back to the house and W begins to mix up the chemical, I watch, not as intently as I normally would though, as I was caught up in the group conversation (there were three others present as well, though not to trip on 25i). We mixed 20ml of water, 10ml of everclear, 900mg 25i, complexed with HPBCD, and stirred for a long while, then heated slightly; and let to sit. W had to run an errand, and departed, to return perhaps 45 minute later. It was right about sunset.

W returns, and we proceed to dose. I immediately became worried, as I knew this was something none of us had tried, and had felt better in the mindset, that I'll try it first and when i'm okay, and it's proven safe, that my friends dose as well. This, is not how it proceeded.

+0:00 one drop of solution in the left nostril, burns, no doubt between the everclear and the 25i
+0:01 vivid visuals, violent assualtive patterning, having difficulty making decisions
+0:02 I recognize with no doubt in my mind, i'll be lucky to survive this; i've had two previous fatal overdoses, and this has all the signs of my body complaining under the load of the chemical. I try to tell my friends hold off, don't dose. It's too late, I forget how to decide, my brain locks up, visuals swallow me, I see them dose and my heart hurts, because i'm scared they'll get hurt
+0:03 I fight as hard as I can to stay awake, it feels like hours since dosing
+0:04 I begin to go blind, I see in my thoughts, not out my eyes
+0:05 I enter what I thought to be my brain's interpretation of me dying:

I am laying on my back, my head in T's lap, my mind racing trying to figure out the pattern of the drug, trying to solve the equation so I can regain my ability to communicate, take control; I am supposed to be the druggie, the professional, I'm supposed to make it alright in these kindsa of situations, but I slipped up, now my friends might get hurt. I hold on to coherency with an iron grasp; I see my first three childhood friends sitting around me, K, W, and T, me still laying on T, (note, K is not actually present at the time) they seem to be trying to ask me what's wrong, but the drug is angry, it's fighting me, beating me up inside, violating receptors in my brain, trying to overdrive my heart. I resist my best; I catch my breath and try to figure out this cyclic pattern, visuals, physical waves, visuals, thought loops, electric surge, c'mon figure this out, you need to solve this, or you won't come back. I grow more scared, as I lose my ability to discern life from death, if I can't tell the difference, how do I fight for life? I've comtemplated and failed suicide, however, at this point in time, right now, I want to live. I see three friends, all caring, all a purpose for me to keep trudging on. I will not quit. The 25i throws a curveball, when I close my eyes I cannot breath, and I have to time my blinking to maintain airflow. However, the pattern continues to complex, and I realize I can no longer inhale. My eyes slide closed, as I try to pull air in. I panic, I have a minute, maybe less to solve this fucked equation, or I will never see K, T, or W again. I focus, and think, I study this pattern harder than any test i've even taken in school; I see a resemblance emerging, I see a repeat in the cycle; I exploit it, pull air in, and break back through to the good side, the life side.

I slam my head on the floor to shake my self awake, I hear a strange yell, a moments clarity lets me see W ask "What's going on guys?!" I hit my head again to stay awake, blackout is now coming for me. I feel my hand close on my pants leg, knuckles crack and turn white, I try to say somethings wrong, but all I can manage is a glance at W, a look at T, and I finally hear a shout, as my body begins to seize.

From here on, I have perhaps a handful of memories, one being bloody hands and ankles from being cuffed to the stretcher, the paramedics failed to effectively restrain us, so they were forced to call in a police assist.
Another is feeling like I was being sunburned from the inside out for a stark few seconds, I later found out I had a second Grand Mal seizure, so I think this is what i'd attribute it to; I zoomed back to laying with T, W, and K, I see a symbolic representation of each friend; I solve the pattern, my body relaxes, I reach to a safe place, and trust that I will make it, K, T, and W would never lie, they'd never trick me. I force myself to accept they are in other's care now, there's nothing I can do for now. I must survive to do anything more. I slide the last puzzle piece in place, and a calm comes, I cry as I fade away from K, T, and W.

I woke up Saturday morning, and proceeded to rip out my trach tube, rendering me speechless (ha fucking ha) for a day or two. By mid week, Tuesday or Wednesday my memory was beginning to return, as the doses of Ativan and the other tranq they gave me were obscene, they said I broke cuffs on 8mg of ativan IM -__- (benzos usually floor me easily)

By Thursday I could hold a conversation, I had my x-ray done, broke my damn arms from my struggling and panic.

This experience has taught me a lot, but much of which, i'm afraid is internal, some things that cannot be put in words. I learned a lot about me, and how I think, and lastly, I learned I have some excellent friends; the others present quickly acted, and turned me on my side when I seize, to keep my lungs clear, they immeidately dialed 911, and maintained the situation like heroes until the ambulances arrived.

I think I will keep adding details as I find ways to describe the things I saw.

Thank you for your time, and remember to be careful with these chemicals. We got lucky, you might not have the odds so far in your favor. We can always dose more, but never dose less!
 
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Wow, this is a crazy story. Thank you so much for the warning. I have tripped 25i three times, all of which were on blotters, and I had a fantastic time. I am starting to see a general trend of the OD's on this substance coming mainly from intranasal administration. But nevertheless, scary shit man.
 
Were you using a micropipetter to measure out your dose from the solution or what? If I did the math right 10ul would have been about 900ug correct? thats a very small
amount of liquid.
 
25i-nbome is too potent and with not enough of a safety profile to be available. I have only tried 25i-nbome, at a dose somewhere between 2mg and 3mg, insufflated dose which lasted over 48 hours of rather intense tripping. Fortunately, for me, I did not feel this chemical was very toxic on my body. Heart rate, blood pressure, and other typical warning signs were absent from my experience.

However grand mal seizures are no joke -- as I can say from experience.

LSD is a safer chemical to handle. Even though it is more potent, it's hard to overdose by simply mishandling the chemical, even in pure powder/crystal form. Yes you might accidentally trip if you're sloppy, but you won't end up in the Emergency Room.

DOC is a safer chemical to handle as well, although it is possible to overdose, at least this chemical is active in the milligram range as opposed to the microgram range. 25i-nbome is approximately 5x more potent than DOC, and with a less forgiving response when you ramp up the dose. People can eat 10mg or 20mg of DOC and live to tell the tale. People who accidentally consume 10mg of 25i-nbome are putting their lives on the line.

The question is, then, are these NBOMe series chemicals worth it? Do they provide you something that you can't find with far safer psychedelic alternatives? I would venture in almost all cases, no.

I won't say 25i-nbome is not an impressive psychedelic drug. It is. But LSD and DOC and many tryptamines are frankly more impressive and without the risk of hospitalization or worse.

This stuff is only slightly safer than bromo-dragonfly in my opinion, and should be discouraged in its proliferation by the community of responsible psychonauts who need to look out for each other.
 
If you had the ability to accurately measure out a dose, why would you dose roughly 5-10 times the normal dose?
 
We thank you for your report and are glad to hear of your current safety, but what you did was reckless and irresponsible.

I'm usually not one to nitpick and point fingers, but having your friend who was "of age" (leading me to believe you're under the age of 21) dilute 900mg in 20cc of liquid? Are you aware of the threshold dose of the drug you took? Or the insubstantial amount of data available to us on the actual ingestion of this compound?

I would highly advise that in the future you most importantly do an allergy test on ANY NEW COMPOUND, whether it be LSD or something straight from Dr. Nichols pocket memos.

You should have weighed out 20mg of this material using a RELIABLE .0001 scale, then mixed this into a 40cc or better yet 60cc syringe for accurate dosing. All while using a mask, rubber gloves, and a clean environment free of pets, children, etc.

YOU ALSO SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT INSUFFLATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR A FIRST TIME.

As far as potency goes it's pretty common knowledge snorting increases potency and shortens duration.

Buccal or sublingual dosing would have been best.


I hope you'll forgive the sternness of my tone but if you're sly enough to score a gram of 25i you're capable enough to spend a day researching the proper ways of dosing such a potent chem.

I don't like seeing these reports and sadly I see it as an end to anything new that has yet to be charged towards the lens of the media and thus inevitably, some asshole who's rotting away in the polls needing some new "danger" to champion.

Lets thank the gods that this compound seems to be forgiving, unlike a certain dragonfly compound of which I doubt needs mentioning.


bluedolphin said:
This stuff is only slightly safer than bromo-dragonfly in my opinion, and should be discouraged in its proliferation by the community of responsible psychonauts who need to look out for each other.
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QFT.

This experience has taught me a lot, but much of which, i'm afraid is internal, some things that cannot be put in words. I learned a lot about me, and how I think, and lastly, I learned I have some excellent friends; the others present quickly acted, and turned me on my side when I seize, to keep my lungs clear, they immeidately dialed 911, and maintained the situation like heroes until the ambulances arrived.
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This is misleading regardless of how you feel.

You didn't learn anything in a coma aside from the fact that you made a terrible and almost fatal decision. You didn't need to overdose on a chemical we're trying to keep out of the limelight to learn shit about yourself, or that your freinds would call 911 if you had a seizure, or anything else. Whatever brief psychedelic episode you had before losing consciousness could have been just as easily generated and educational as a smoked dose of DMT, of which there would have been no risk of physical danger.

I'm sorry to keep berating you like this but this point needs to be belted into the face of anyone even CONSIDERING doing anything this stupid.

Did you even weigh the material out before diluting or did you just trust the vendors bag labeled "900mg?"
 
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Thou said:
We thank you for your report and are glad to hear of your current safety, but what you did was reckless and irresponsible.

I'm usually not one to nitpick and point fingers, but having your friend who was "of age" (leading me to believe you're under the age of 21) dilute 900mg in 20cc of liquid? Are you aware of the threshold dose of the drug you took? Or the insubstantial amount of data available to us on the actual ingestion of this compound?

I would highly advise that in the future you most importantly do an allergy test on ANY NEW COMPOUND, whether it be LSD or something straight from Dr. Nichols pocket memos.

You should have weighed out 20mg of this material using a RELIABLE .0001 scale, then mixed this into a 40cc or better yet 60cc syringe for accurate dosing. All while using a mask, rubber gloves, and a clean environment free of pets, children, etc.

YOU ALSO SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT INSUFFLATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR A FIRST TIME.

As far as potency goes it's pretty common knowledge snorting increases potency and shortens duration.

Buccal or sublingual dosing would have been best.


I hope you'll forgive the sternness of my tone but if you're sly enough to score a gram of 25i you're capable enough to spend a day researching the proper ways of dosing such a potent chem.

I don't like seeing these reports and sadly I see it as an end to anything new that has yet to be charged towards the lens of the media and thus inevitably, some asshole who's rotting away in the polls needing some new "danger" to champion.

Lets thank the gods that this compound seems to be forgiving, unlike a certain dragonfly compound of which I doubt needs mentioning.





QFT.



This is misleading regardless of how you feel.

You didn't learn anything in a coma aside from the fact that you made a terrible and almost fatal decision. You didn't need to overdose on a chemical we're trying to keep out of the limelight to learn shit about yourself, or that your freinds would call 911 if you had a seizure, or anything else. Whatever brief psychedelic episode you had before losing consciousness could have been just as easily generated and educational as a smoked dose of DMT, of which there would have been no risk of physical danger.

I'm sorry to keep berating you like this but this point needs to be belted into the face of anyone even CONSIDERING doing anything this stupid.

Did you even weigh the material out before diluting or did you just trust the vendors bag labeled "900mg?"
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You can't learn in a coma. I mean the effect the situation as a whole, has taught me a few things. It lets me see things in a different light. It's affected my thought process. You can say what you like about what I saw, but it boils down to this: it happened in my head, and the effect it has had, and continues to have on me is very real.

We weighed it out.

I think you missed the point of this report, it's not about how high I was, it's my attempt to depict the effect almost dying had on me. I can replicate the high, it's the psychological aspect that is unique.

You keep calling us stupid, but mistakes happen. It's not unheard of to make mistakes in new territory. Maybe you'd be better off sticking to a congrats you're not dead type comment?
Personally, I think if we were stupid, I wouldn't have lived to post this. It could've gone worse.
 
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Glad you made it out of that able to write this report.

The dangers of messing up the dosing of this class of RCs are incredibly real. Please be careful.
 
sockpuppet said:
FWIW - stay away from kid's drugs like the sort sold in the mail and so popular on BL. Take the time to grow some mushrooms and cactus - meet some sane grounded people who have quality LSD. The RC world is for people fascinated with pharmacology for its own sake and for people too young and foolish to obtain real drugs. Not a popular opinion around here but the truth. Good luck and heal quickly.
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i would consider that a half-truth, at best. The "RC World" offers a bunch of absolute shit substances, for sure. Things that are inteneded to be "replacements" for popular illegal drugs.. or worse, things that are intended to be "replacements" for recently scheduled "replacements".

Like, you know if some RC is a "replacement" for MDMA (like Methylone and Mephedrone arguably were marketed as), and then they get popular enough to get banned and then a new wave of M1 and 4-MMC "replacements" come out (moving on now to 6-ABP, 4-MEC, Pentylone, etc)... you can see a trend of drugs getting generally shittier and shittier as each ban forces suppliers to adjust their chemical offerings in order to temporarily skirt the law.

So yes, in a way you can say we are entering an era of "kid's drugs". Unfortunately in some parts of world, these "kid's drugs" are also abused by adults in the form of "bath salts" or other strange marketing gimmicks. Many of them are also apprently highly addictive and destructive when administered to the right kind of person in the right kind of sociosphere.

Shulgin and Nichols compounds are not drugs for kids, though. Some of them are dangerous, some of them are safe and wonderful. Some of them are safe and pointless. Some of them are dangerous and wonderful.

Dangerous and wonderful is where 25i-nbome lies.

Fortunately for people who seek a psychedelic experience from time to time, there are existing and future "safe and wonderful" alternatives.

May the NBOMe fad be short and sweet. These compounds have nothing new to offer the collective or singular consciousncess that a much safer existing alternative already can't.
 
I don't chose a particular substance for any reason to do with accessibility, or the image associated with it. I started out my drug career with a picture of what I thought high was, after a bit of messing around, I developed a picture of what I wanted to feel like one day; I have a fairly specific idea of what I want from a substance, and that's all I look to achieve.

My body is dying slowly, due to the abuse I subject it to, and it took a mini-revelation to see that. I got a glimpse of me from what could have been a third party perspective as I recounted my story to someone, it shocked me into silence mid-sentence. I'm still shaking myself out of it, that was friday. It was an alarming insight to say the least.

I've never chosen a drug simply for easy access, what addict has accepted no when they truly want their drug for the night?
I choose Dimenhydrinate because it is honestly my favorite high, combinations excluded.
 
I keep getting these wisps of complex thought, they smash into my head, I see crystal clear for a moment (mentally) and then it slips away, leaving me with an internal discussion for the rest of the day. It's like I got fried into having mini-epiphanies twice a week. It's hard to describe, but it's been helping me sort things out, slowly but surely, in many aspects. I finally feel like I have a foothold in deciphering the answers I need to progress in my life. I don't have a word to fit it quite, can someone help me out here?

This is new to me, it was Friday for sure that started this, maybe it's residual psy-fry, I don't know, but I want to figure it out.
 
That was a mad story bro. I don't think its fair to be scorned like you were, your story reminded me (and others i'm sure) that I should always do my research before experimenting with new drugs and also it was quite interesting. Taking such a toxic amount of that drug was stupid, and it is annoying that you compromised the legality of another psychedelic; but then again at least it was by someone smart enough to articulately tell the story to others on a forum so we all can learn for the mistake. And this is the great things about forum pages, that we all can learn from one anothers experiences.
 
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