God, the son of God - Everyone is God?

[Mugz]

In Christianity I often hear people saying things like, praise our lord Jesus Christ, as though Jesus is god because he was "the son of god"

I'm Agnostic and won't ever be persuaded to join any form of organised religion, but religion does interest me quite a bit, the history of it and the terrible things that happen because of it and occasionally the good things that happen because of it too.

I was just thinking though, that if people are treating Jesus as God because he was the son of God, then people should treat Adam and Eve as the first children of God too, and all their children would be God too, which kind of ties into my beliefs that there is no "God" but that everyone is "God" Which links pretty strongly to eastern philosophies where "We are all one"

Many times whilst deep in an MXE hole I have pondered and realised that everyone is the same conciousness and that we are all god, but all individuals too, that God is just a collective name for the every being, that we create our own existence, we are the creators of our own existence, which seems to sounds very "Godly" as "God" is the grand creator.

Sorry that there isn't much of a proper structure to this thread, is just something I felt compelled to post as it is something that I often think about and this seems to be the right forum on bluelight to ponder and talk about these sorts of things.

 

[Shrooms00087]

Well, in Christianity you have the Trinity. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost which are related. I'm inclined to believe God is a metaphor for this "oneness", similar to what you said.

 

[noone1]

The trinity is not believed by all Christians, some denominations like the Jehovahs Witnesses and Unitarians (and there are literally probably hundreds more) don't believe in it.

But anyways to the OP what you have described is a common new age interpretation of Jesus and the new testament. "Christ" is like "Buddha" not just a name it is a title. We are all capable of achieving "Christ" consciousness.

When Jesus say "I am the way and the truth and the life" you must focus on the first two words. Then remember what God told Moses that he is. Similarly when he says "No one comes through the father but through me" you must focus on the last word in that sentence and how it relates to ego and the inner self. We are all the only begotten sons of God.

If you read the New testament in this way you will see why many people believe Christ was in the east during his missing years. If you look past the cult of personality that mainstream Christianity has established you will see a deep mysticism in the bible and Jesus teachings much more powerful than "believe in Jesus get a jail out of free card, hallelujah"

If you'd like to further study this I can't recommend the Jefferson bible enough. A bible edited by Thomas Jefferson with all the supernatural rubbish cut out.

Peace.

 

[panic in paradise]

Many times whilst deep in an MXE hole I have pondered and realised that everyone is the same conciousness and that we are all god, but all individuals too, that God is just a collective name for the every being, that we create our own existence, we are the creators of our own existence, which seems to sounds very "Godly" as "God" is the grand creator.

Sorry that there isn't much of a proper structure to this thread, is just something I felt compelled to post as it is something that I often think about and this seems to be the right forum on bluelight to ponder and talk about these sorts of things.

Keeping it simple and allowing the thoughts to expand on their own makes it easier, view and conceptualize. The Trinity diagram Shrooms posted says a lot, for most Christians it may only be worth a glance because they think they know what it means and thats that...I tend to think of Jesus Christ as two different beings: Jesus was the man and Christ is the aeon or part of the logo that inhabited the man: Sophia + Christ + Jesus = Jesus Christ

perhaps...

There are many opinions but I agree with what you said actually Mugz. And could expand adding that we are extensions of God created to experience until a like consciousness is acquired over time, after ones dahrmic and karmic path has been completed what ever sort of re-conjoinance is made.

Studying briefly the Hebrew Aleph-Bet could help to make sense of this in a very simple way.

Catharist:
It has been alleged that the Catharist concept of Jesus resembled nontrinitarian modalistic monarchianism (Sabellianism) in the West and adoptionism in the East.

Bernard of Clairvaux's biographer and other sources accuse some Cathars of Arianism, and some scholars see Cathar Christology as having traces of earlier Arian roots. According to some of their contemporary enemies Cathars did not accept the Trinitarian understanding of Jesus, but considered him the human form of an angel similar to Docetic Christology. Zoé Oldenbourg (2000) compared the Cathars to "Western Buddhists" because she considered that their view of the doctrine of "resurrection" taught by Jesus was, in fact, similar to the Buddhist doctrine of reincarnation.

THE Avatara:
A divine incarnation. It is the descent of a god or some exalted Being, who has progressed beyond the necessity of rebirths, into the body of a simple mortal. Krishna was an avatar of Vishnu. The Dalai Lama is regarded as an avatar of Avalokiteswara; the Teshu Lama as one of Tson-kha-pa, or Amitabha. All these are but different terms used by different peoples to indicate one and the same LOGOS, the Divine Christos, the Anima Mundi. It is the "Word made Flesh" in every religion, in India a Proteus of 1008 divine names and aspects, from Brahma-Purusha down through the Seven divine Rishis ... to the divine-human avatars.

As the synthesis of the seven Dhyani-Buddhas, Avalokiteswara was the first Buddha -- the LOGOS; so Amitabha is the inner "God" of Gautama who, in China, is called Amita-(Buddha).
TEACHINGS ON THE AVATARS

Vivekananda Speaks on Christ:
To the beginner, Christ would immediately speak of the Personal God: “Pray to your Father in Heaven.” To the one a little more advanced, he would say, “I am the vine, ye are the branches.” But to the one who was fully advanced and his dear disciple, he would proclaim: “I and my Father are One.” We find the same truth echoed in Sri Ramakrishna’s words. He disclosed to his beloved Naren (Vivekananda), “He who is Rama, He who is Krishna, dwells at once in this body as Ramakrishna.”

It is a sad fact that often the disciples of various paths misinterpret the teachings of their masters to the extent of claiming theirs as the only Master. In doing so, they bring their teachers down to the level of ordinary men.

Matthew 16:13-15
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

“These great children of Light, who manifest the light themselves, they, being worshipped, become as it were, one with us and we have become one with them.”
- Vivekananda

Edit:
lol

The Creator takes full responsibility for what has been created...and it really is not so simple. Life is then very much like a game of chess.

 

[Foreigner]

I'll never forget one time I was on LSD and looking at a picture of Jesus, and his face morphed into the faces of many different men and women. I understood then what "son of God" meant. He was living the example of what we all are. I swear, Jesus must have made it to India. You only find that kind of philosophy coming out of Hinduism and its sects, and Buddhism. It's the whole "Oneness" paradigm.

People have lost the message when they worship Jesus. He was trying to tell us that we are all exactly as he is. He sacrificed himself to show us that there is nothing to fear. We are all free of sin.

 

[panic in paradise]

I'll never forget one time I was on LSD and looking at a picture of Jesus, and his face morphed into the faces of many different men and women. I understood then what "son of God" meant. He was living the example of what we all are. I swear, Jesus must have made it to India. You only find that kind of philosophy coming out of Hinduism and its sects, and Buddhism. It's the whole "Oneness" paradigm.

People have lost the message when they worship Jesus. He was trying to tell us that we are all exactly as he is. He sacrificed himself to show us that there is nothing to fear. We are all free of sin.

I agree with all of this as he is, or was the same as us, but his message was to learn from and practice and communicate to each other and not expect from him or for him to just be there on the cross, so to say.

John 20:17
Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Anyay:

I tend to think of Jesus Christ as two different beings: Jesus was the man and Christ is the aeon or part of the logo that inhabited the man: Sophia + Christ + Jesus = Jesus Christ

In Christianity, Christ having both complete divine and human natures is referred to as the hypostatic union. It is generally accepted that his two natures have one will/person, but there was great debate and murder over this many a generation ago.

But that's just theological semantics, the mystic message is much more meaningful than the minutiae.

 

[Portillo]

If we are gods, why do we die?

 

[panic in paradise]

.... Enkidu ?

but that changes much.

 

[Mugz]

If we are gods, why do we die?

Who says that the end of physical life is true death?


Also, if we are everyone and everything then one branch aka one person dieing is not the true one, the God dieing at all, death would only occur when everything died.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I would read into some Eastern religions, in my experiences with them (and with psychedelics and them) - yes, we are all God because we're all part of one continuous existence. You can call it "God" if you want.

Western religions are complicated for me. Maybe they're too complicated for you.

Food for thought

 

[panic in paradise]

^ this is interesting.

Seems to me the problem with Christianity is the many "interpretations"man has given it -

Seriously, which denomination of christianity do you feel Christ would choose..?

 

[Mugz]

I would read into some Eastern religions, in my experiences with them (and with psychedelics and them) - yes, we are all God because we're all part of one continuous existence. You can call it "God" if you want.

Western religions are complicated for me. Maybe they're too complicated for you.

Food for thought

Food for thought indeed, My conclusion though is that Western religions are more organised that complicated(not saying that they are not complicated) On the other hand, philosophy and drawing your own conclusions based on the teaching from eatern philosophies and religions and Western religions is much less organised and less complicated, I wouldn't call it chaotic, but it seems to be more along the lines or entropy than mainstream organised religions, which tend to go the opposit way.

 

[panic in paradise]

Food for thought indeed, My conclusion though is that Western religions are more organised that complicated(not saying that they are not complicated) On the other hand, philosophy and drawing your own conclusions based on the teaching from eatern philosophies and religions and Western religions is much less organised and less complicated, I wouldn't call it chaotic, but it seems to be more along the lines or entropy than mainstream organised religions, which tend to go the opposit way.

"'man is apt to suppose the existence of more order and regularity in the world then it finds''
- Francis Bacon

The big difference between Eastern and Western faiths is their interpretation, justification and means of implementation.

_________
Krishna & Christ

Anyay:

In Christianity, Christ having both complete divine and human natures is referred to as the hypostatic union. It is generally accepted that his two natures have one will/person, but there was great debate and murder over this many a generation ago.

But that's just theological semantics, the mystic message is much more meaningful than the minutiae.

Yeah, I wasnt familiar with the term hypostatic union as much as the meaning and result.

I suppose an example of hypostatic union over east would be the union Shiva|Shakti.
goodstuff

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Seriously, which denomination of christianity do you feel Christ would choose..?

I think he would rebuke those who engage in petty denominational squabbles. Actions are what are important, reminds me of:

Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

 

[Portillo]

Seriously, which denomination of christianity do you feel Christ would choose..?

Most of them except for these ones.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7

 

[panic in paradise]

Most of them except for these ones.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7

.....

Matthew 10
16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you."