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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 4)

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I have received two very different batches, both of excellent quality from a reputable source. the first was a fine white powder smelled very chemically, and was by far the more potent of the two batches, milligram for milligram. 125mg of the white 6-apb would have me rolling very hard in thirty minutes with an insane come up, but not with great euphoria. it was very visual, and at some points, and rarely, it would be fully psychedelic. it was very dirty feeling though, and i believeit to be impure(though i don't know why it was the more potent of the two if that was the case).

the second batch, tan and very fragrant, while requiring a little more per dose(at least 150mg for me, 160lbs) is a thousand times better IMO. 150mg the tan produces euphoria and empathy that rivals 200mg of good MDMA crystals, and at higher dose would give me some of the most spectacular CEV's I've ever had, not to mention some pretty decent OEV's as well. suppper clean feeling, though i have to say the next day was pretty awful, comparable to the day after a night of MDMA I recently received a large quantity of the tan and hope to hold on to it for a while, as its not only the best RC I've tried, but one of the best recreational drugs I've ever done IMO. but i will keep use minimal, due to possible neurotoxicity and what not.

what might you all think caused such a difference in the two batches. i mean both had very similar effects, but i almost believe the white batch wasn't 6-apb at all, but its hard for me to believe as the chems I've received from my beloved source have always been absolutely top notch.
 
The batch I had was Tan...but very dirty feeling. About sourcing, why is it against the rules? I thought this site was for harm reduction. If you can't warn people about bad sites, then the owners of this site are being uptight or something. Im glad I mentioned it because I've already got one person to purchase elsewhere. I dont want anyone to take that poison from the site I got it from. It is worse than a piperazine. Even with the roxy I still had diahrea last night. Thank god it finally stopped it today. I had the most horrible stomach cramps the next day after the first time I did it. And yes I do agree with you that it was low quality. It has to be because NO ONE would enjoy that stuff unless they like tripping. Even without all the bad side effects, the euphoria from it was just lame. So I would like to try some high quality stuff but I dont think there is any at the moment. I havent seen a good report since 2011. I also heard the site I got from works with Hunsunthy or somethin like that. lol dont know if that's true though.

PS- I am also curious to know what could cause 2 different batches to be so different? I am no chemist so I dont understand...its all the same drug right? How could one batch make you dirty trip and the other make you roll? And also suprises me that no one has left bad feedback on the site I got from. I did my research before I purchased. It was really cheap there so I was skeptical but they said it was 99% pure. Im probably going to throw the rest of mine in the garbage. Not even worth doing again.
 
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PS- I am also curious to know what could cause 2 different batches to be so different? I am no chemist so I dont understand...its all the same drug right? How could one batch make you dirty trip and the other make you roll? And also suprises me that no one has left bad feedback on the site I got from. I did my research before I purchased. It was really cheap there so I was skeptical but they said it was 99% pure. Im probably going to throw the rest of mine in the garbage. Not even worth doing again.
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Drug synthesis when done right, is hard. Have you ever been educated in chemistry at university level? To keep the final product pure is a pain in the ass for the chemist.
 
No i have no education at all with chemistry. The site claimed it is 99% pure...so you're saying it comes down to it being unpure. I've heard this can happen from dirty labs. But even so that would just mean you need more of the drug to give you the same effect? But that cant be right because if that was true I would of felt like i was rolling. So unpure seems like a misleading word. More like bad quality. But what makes a one synth so much different than another. From what Ive read on 6apb, it seems like what I took was a different drug altogether. One makes you clean roll and the other dirty trip....two completely different worlds right there.
 
And while were on the subject, I've had many different qualties of MDMA...some bad and some good. But even the bad quality MDMA still does not make you trip. It just doesnt give you as good of a roll. So, it's still hard to believe 6-apb is comparable to mdma. I wish I could try the best quality 6-apb ever and I could tell you accurately if it's anything like mdma or not. I think people just confuse it for that, because a lot of people cant tell the difference between tripping and rolling (Which to me is insane, because they are so different) One theory for this could be that these people have SO MUCH serotonin and are so happy already, that tripping to them feels like a roll. YES! That's it. Because I knew this really happy kid, who took a bomb ass bean back in the day and he didnt really feel anything. The bean was so clean and made me soooo happy, but for him, he couldnt feel much because he was already so happy already. And the trip feeling would be similiar to a roll if it made you super happy like that. So, that is it. I have less serotonin than most people so tripping just depresses me. So its the opposite of a roll for me. Back in the day before I fried my brain on serotonin drugs, I used to be happy as hell tripping. But still didnt compare to rolling. But i can see why so many people can confuse the two. A good example would be those trip beans, where people get them and think they are rolling for the first 4 hours before it turns into an all night dirty tripping experience. Like the Saints from 2010-2011(if anyone tried them) I took them and they never made me roll, tripping the whole way from the start. So I dont think any quality 6-apb would make me feel like Im rolling. It just doesnt release nearly enough serotonin like mdma does. 4-FA releases a small amount...enough to at least feel like a weak roll.
 
Johnyderp said:
Yeah they are known to have bad quality 6-APB haha. Like not good at all.
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So, why aren't we allowed to source them to warn others? I thought this site was about harm reduction....Anyone?

Wish I would of known before I purchased. Would of saved me $100 bucks and a few days of hell!
 
@ king of beans -

you say you dont think it is possible to be rolling & tripping at the same time. This is not true. You just have to get the dosage right. LSD + MDMA is a beautiful, unique experience different than either chemical alone if done correctly.
 
I've tried both MDMA and 6-APB. Of all the RC's I've tried - not many, 5-APB, 6-APB, aMT, MXE - 6-APB gets closest to the warmth and purity of MDMA but with the delightful addition of tripping. I've not tried MDA but I think I'd probably like it if I like 6-APB.

Tips to boost rolling - found on the 'e' forum - work just as well with 6-APB. You should give them a try. Most of them focus on diet, supplements and exercise.
 
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And while were on the subject, I've had many different qualties of MDMA...some bad and some good. But even the bad quality MDMA still does not make you trip. It just doesnt give you as good of a roll. So, it's still hard to believe 6-apb is comparable to mdma. I wish I could try the best quality 6-apb ever and I could tell you accurately if it's anything like mdma or not. I think people just confuse it for that, because a lot of people cant tell the difference between tripping and rolling (Which to me is insane, because they are so different) One theory for this could be that these people have SO MUCH serotonin and are so happy already, that tripping to them feels like a roll. YES! That's it. Because I knew this really happy kid, who took a bomb ass bean back in the day and he didnt really feel anything. The bean was so clean and made me soooo happy, but for him, he couldnt feel much because he was already so happy already. And the trip feeling would be similiar to a roll if it made you super happy like that. So, that is it. I have less serotonin than most people so tripping just depresses me. So its the opposite of a roll for me. Back in the day before I fried my brain on serotonin drugs, I used to be happy as hell tripping. But still didnt compare to rolling. But i can see why so many people can confuse the two. A good example would be those trip beans, where people get them and think they are rolling for the first 4 hours before it turns into an all night dirty tripping experience. Like the Saints from 2010-2011(if anyone tried them) I took them and they never made me roll, tripping the whole way from the start. So I dont think any quality 6-apb would make me feel like Im rolling. It just doesnt release nearly enough serotonin like mdma does. 4-FA releases a small amount...enough to at least feel like a weak roll.
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6-APB is 1.5x more selective for serotonin than mdma is :)
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6-APB is 1.5x more selective for serotonin than mdma is :)
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OK I cleared it! What I did realize last night was I got the sleep paralysis and also my dreams are very vivid. It looks to be more toxic than MDMA, and you get all the "bad" effects that you'd get from a huge MDMA binge...but the 6-apb is just garbage. It does not make you roll at all. Not the stuff I got.

And I still stand by that you cannot roll and trip at the same time. At least I can't. I've trolled many times, and you can certainly make a roll or trip better from combining acid or shrooms with it. But still, If you feel the mdma at all, then that to me is rolling. I know we have different definitions. But what i am saying is that the 6-apb does not make you feel like you're rolling, it feels like tripping which is a completely different feeling/experience. But my theory above about why some people confuse it, has to do with serotonin in their brain being high already.
 
And the 6-apb does not make you happy at all. MDMA makes you so happy and love everyone (Which comes from it releasing serotonin I thought) So if 6-apb released serotonin, wouldn't it make you happy like MDMA does? 6-apb made me feel bored and lame and I just wanted to turn off the music...something I could NEVER feel like if I was on MDMA. You HAVE to have music on MDMA...

How could some batches of 6-apb be so crappy and make you feel like shit? I dont understand how bad quality could make the drug give you a completely opposite feeling. Bad quality mdma, still feels like mdma. Until I actually do a good quality batch of 6-apb I cant say for sure. I just stand by my theory that 6-apb is a trip drug, and some people confuse it for rolling.

I've seen too many reports of people who think they are rolling from pipes. 6-apb feels just like pipes so this is why I think so many people think they roll from 6-apb. I just dont see how quality can be that big of an issue. It's still the same drug...so how could one batch make you trip and the other make you roll? I do believe the better batches would have a more "Clean" feeling...but still, I can tell the difference between a clean trip and a clean roll. Anyone who hates to trip(as I do) will be dissapointed in the 6-apb..

MDA on the other hand is amazing. I like it better than MDMA. You actually ROLL from MDA just harder and longer than you would from MDMA alone. One of the best combos and rolls I ever got was from taking MDA and MDMA together. I saw the craziest visuals that night but I wasn't tripping at all. I was rollin balls. lol

PS- I think I explained this before..but just to be clear so everyone knows MY definition of tripping- Tripping to me is not seeing visuals. (A good example would be piperazines...you dont see any visuals really, but they still make you feel like you're tripping. You do get minor visuals like walls moving and stuff but nothing big. I see way better visuals from MDMA even though MDMA does not make you trip at all) It's all about the FEELING, as to how I describe weather Im rolling or tripping. Tripping to me is the FEELING you get. The mindfuck, the crazy thoughts, the depression, the muscle weakness, etc. The feeling acid and shrooms give you. Rolling to me is the happiness, the great euphoria, the music enhancement, etc. So, if I combine acid with mdma, and I'm seeing crazy visuals but feeling the happiness from the serotonin release of the mdma, then I consider that rolling, not tripping. That is why I say MDA does not make you trip at all. Because the happiness overpowers any bad trip feelings that you would get from let's say shrooms. But 6-apb is not like that. It's not a horrible trip, you cant wig out, because it's actually very weak compared to shrooms...but it's a very dirty feeling just like pipes but worse. So, this doesn't feel anything at all like MDMA, it just feels like a weak and dirty trip. That is the best way I can explain it. Sorry if I sound like Im repeating myself, just want to make sure people understand what my definitions are, or we could be arguing for no reason. lol
 
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One more note so I dont sound like Im contradicting myself...I said in one post that the music sounded good on 6-apb and when it turned off the experience went lame. Well that was the first time I took it, but that was on the come up. Same thing happened the 2nd time I took it. The music sounded good at FIRST...but only for the first hour. Then the weak roll feeling went away and turned into a trip...and music was no longer sounding good. Infact It sounded worse than if I was sober. I didnt even want to listen to any music so I turned it off. The lame and dirty trip feeling stayed with me for the next 7 hours or so. I did take a roxy which helped a bit. It felt weird combining roxy's with a trip drug...but still was better. Made the diarhea minimal. And the next day I had no stomach cramps or shits at all because the roxy did infact stop that. So, thank god for the roxy's or I would of felt like I was in labor again the next day.
 
It looks to be more toxic than MDMA, and you get all the "bad" effects that you'd get from a huge MDMA binge...but the 6-apb is just garbage. It does not make you roll at all. Not the stuff I got.
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Bad effects/hangover DOES NOT imply neurotoxicity and vice versa. Some don't get comedown from meth, yet it's proved to be neurotoxic isn't it?
 
cryptix420 said:
@ king of beans -

you say you dont think it is possible to be rolling & tripping at the same time. This is not true. You just have to get the dosage right. LSD + MDMA is a beautiful, unique experience different than either chemical alone if done correctly.
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Yeah no doubt...it's definitely different. That's why they call it Trolling (Tripping and Rolling together) But what Im trying to explain is that one overpowers the other in terms of feeling. So you will either feel like you're rolling or tripping. If you take more MDMA than the other, then the good rolling feeling overpowers the bad tripping feeling. This is what I mean that you can't feel both at once. One feels bad and one feels good. You can't feel bad and good at the same time...but I know everyones different. Some people LIKE the feeling of acid and tripping (I used to when I was younger and had plenty of serotonin) But anyone with low serotonin or who has wigged out from overdosing on psychedelics, will probably agree that tripping is a bad feeling) The only thing that can save a trip from being bad would be MDMA or closely releated chemicals
 
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Bad effects/hangover DOES NOT imply neurotoxicity and vice versa. Some don't get comedown from meth, yet it's proved to be neurotoxic isn't it?
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Well when you overdose and binge on MDMA you get sleep paralysis...and I got this from just two times of doing 6-apb in a week. I am not saying it's neurotoxic, just saying it's very bad for your body. It's a dirty drug. I bet any money if you did 6-apb 20x per month you'd fuck up your body a LOT more than if you did mdma 20x per month. (I can confirm this as I was doing mdma 20x per month and didnt get the side effects I got from just TWO times of using 6-apb in a week) Infact I bet you'd die if you did 6-apb 20x per month. MDMA is very safe and almost impossible to overdose to the point of death. MDMA does cause slight serotonin reduction over heavy use (as Ive experienced) but no proof that it puts holes in your brain or anything really serious like that. They used Speed for that flawed study as a scare tactic. So speed is toxic, I actually overdosed on both speed and mdma which is why I think Im still fucked up today 15 years later. But I've taken shitloads of MDMA by itself and never had any permanent effects. When you combine MDMA and speed it makes it far more toxic...(Which sux because mdma and speed mix so
good together) But it's a recipie for disaster on your brain if you do too much)
 
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Oh I didn't mention last time I did the 6-apb I did a little bit of 8 ballz glass cleaner when the 6-apb first kicked in which was identical to MDPV, i did a little bump while on the 6-apb last time. I felt good for about an hour but after the 8 ballz wore off, the nasty trip feeling kicked in. Honestly I'd rather do cleanacid than the 6-apb I got. You trip harder from acid, but at least it's not dirty with a nasty hangover.
 
Oh shit (I apologize for all the posts...the way my brain works is all fucked up from the new neuron connections Ive grown from frying it so many times...so I keep thinking of new shit to say) lol now that led me to explain how this works. Off the subject here...but this is interesting and I dont know if it's just my theory or if others know this...but it's true. Check it out-

You know how when you top a weed plant(cut off it's head), it grows 2 heads in place of it's one? And if you do it again, 4 heads, and so on? Well it's like the saying...What doesnt kill you makes you stronger? It's totally true. This is how nature works. But the downside to topping a weed plant is that even though it grows more heads (bushier) there is no thick cola. The buds are more thin. SAME exact thing if a HUMAN takes MDMA and fries their brain connections. I am a living human example. And I even saw a documentary that was stating this same thing backing up my theory and experience. What they said was that when you fry your serotonin or dopamine connections, they actually grown back 4x as much! This explains why I sound so crazy to normal people and why I can talk forever, going from one subject to the next (As you can see with my posts) But the science behind it is that when they grow back, they dont grow back as THICK. They are SQUIGGLEY and thin so that explains why Im not truly happy anymore. I have far more connections in my brain than a normal person who has never done MDMA. But they are thinner and therefore my quality of life is not as good. But it does give you uncanny abilities that normal people do not have. Im able to do things normal people can't because of the insane amount of connections in my brain. I can spot liars, read people in poker, (I became a professional poker player, was sponsored back in 08) and just do things without thinking about it. Also my driving ability became much better. I am able to do amazing things when I drive that freak people out...but I've never had a car wreck since this. I've had many times when I SHOULD of wrecked but miraculously I avoided all of them. My reaction timing is instant and I've become more psychic. So doing TOO MUCH mdma actually can give you superhuman abilities. But I dont recommend it. I'd rather just be normal and happy. I come off as annoying to a lot of people because of how I fucked my brain up. I try to control it and not talk too much around others cuz once I get started, I cant stop. I explain every little detail of everything which normal people find annoying. Lol Im just on another level. Im sure all the E-tards out there can relate with what Im saying. OK so now back to what I was going to post before my brain went off on another rant

I wanted to tell everyone, last night when I had the sleep paralysis I was really fucked up. I was hallucinating all this shit and freaking out. I was trying to scream but I dont think anything came out. The dreams are SO VIVID and real that you think it's really happening. It's like being alseep and awake at the same time. I thought I was going crazy (Which ive never done before) I hear all these stories about people freaking out on bath salts and killing themselves. That is how I felt, but it was in my dream state. I had just fallin asleep. I could of sworn it was real. I could tell though that I was just going crazy so I said to myself (Dont hurt myself or do anything stupid) but keep in mind this was all in my dream, it just seemed so real. So I experienced in a DREAM what others experienced in real life. In real life I am totally under control, I would never become psycho to the point of being dellusional. That is because I wouldnt abuse MDPV for days straight like others do. The side effects are just too bad for me to handle, I get minor heart attacks when I do it. But yeah I thought I'd note that. 6-apb is a super strong drug when it comes to the bad side effects (Im not the only one saying this, read other reports) but the good side effects are virtually non exisitant, so I just want to warn people to be careful with this drug. I dont think it's easy to get high quality 6-apb right now, so if anyone tries it, only do it once in a great while just incase, this is a very new drug and with all the different batches quality, it could be far more dangerous than people think. I can seriously tell there is something that isnt right about this 6-apb with all this happening to me after just TWO TIMES OF USING.
 
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