Physical space?

[Biovail]

So, tripping on acid today (a pretty low dose) a friend and I were sitting atop a pretty hill overlooking a busy freeway, marveling about how small things looked from far away. I tossed up the question "Wow the cars look so small, but they're directly in front of me. What's actually separating us from them?" My friend's response was "air". So then I asked what if we took the air away? Would separate us if we were in a vacuum? To put it another way, if there is nothing between me at point 'A' and a car at point 'B', what stops 'A' from being 'B'?

Theories welcome

 

[Cevain]

Ok man, you got to stop the acid right now. You are not making any sense at all (and this is when sober). Go to school, study something (start with basic things). And this is not to flame or anything but you obviously have some trouble with simple things. And I know this is Philosophy and Spirituality, so we can go a little out of the box, but this is just not really working out for you I'm afraid.

SO to just answer your question, it doesn't matter what is in between things, it's just the distance between the things that matter. That is what SEPERATES things. For more basic info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance.

 

[-=SS=-]

I think you should read some of the work by Douglas Harding on the "headless way". Once you understand some of that and know his experiments that you can do by yourself (and with your friend), try thinking about that when next on acid. It will blow your head clean off LOL.

 

[panic in paradise]

So, tripping on acid today (a pretty low dose) a friend and I were sitting atop a pretty hill overlooking a busy freeway, marveling about how small things looked from far away. I tossed up the question "Wow the cars look so small, but they're directly in front of me. What's actually separating us from them?" My friend's response was "air". So then I asked what if we took the air away? Would separate us if we were in a vacuum? To put it another way, if there is nothing between me at point 'A' and a car at point 'B', what stops 'A' from being 'B'?

Theories welcome

the only thing seperating point A and B is the most existent, space or aether, the most misunderstood yet the only "thing" we ever really touch or come into contact with because it exists between everything, and it is the only thing holding us together.

 

[-=SS=-]

Douglas Harding on having no head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0okQCx9108

Some images to facilitate the meaning

 

[nAON]

I've often wondered myself about that on a deeper sense.. stuff like radio waves travel across empty spaces, and the constants of the universe stay the same wherever you go. But what keeps pi equalling the same value between two places that are not at all connected? Surely there must be linked somehow?

 

[panic in paradise]

I've often wondered myself about that on a deeper sense.. stuff like radio waves travel across empty spaces, and the constants of the universe stay the same wherever you go. But what keeps pi equalling the same value between two places that are not at all connected? Surely there must be linked somehow?

... Pi causes displacement in the "aether" like a boat does in water, water can not become still or else it stagnates, so like pi a boat will cause a wake to take action moving away from the boat opposite directions.

Stagnate water though breeds life, life depends on fresh water to sustain itself.

Water is also only made up of many molecules, the same as what is in the water, the movement of the water causes turbulence stirring up what ever else exist with in the range of the turbulence, and what is then stirred will then create the same effect itself and a chain-reaction has begun.
This chain-reaction is much the same as recycling, as it does eventually lead back to the original source, and even though all that was effected does return with less, all that does return can only truly return after it has reached the proper point of reduction and able to make room for itself again amongst pi.

 

[Biovail]

I think you should read some of the work by Douglas Harding on the "headless way". Once you understand some of that and know his experiments that you can do by yourself (and with your friend), try thinking about that when next on acid. It will blow your head clean off LOL.

Awesome, I'll definitely check him out. Unfortunately my friends aren't really intellectual types.. "What if there were no air" was pretty much the limit of his caring/understanding.

the only thing seperating point A and B is the most existent, space or aether, the most misunderstood yet the only "thing" we ever really touch or come into contact with because it exists between everything, and it is the only thing holding us together.

Isn't everything we touch just the repulsion of electrons between atoms? Or I guess that's just what we feel. I'm not really sure what "aether" is.. Is it just empty "space"?

I've often wondered myself about that on a deeper sense.. stuff like radio waves travel across empty spaces, and the constants of the universe stay the same wherever you go. But what keeps pi equalling the same value between two places that are not at all connected? Surely there must be linked somehow?

Aren't radio waves a type of particle moving through space? I thought radio was part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Concerning pi.. It's just a ratio I guess. Many things have ratios (the height of me versus my house for example), they're only linked by information, which itself is a strange concept. The universe and everything is continually moving to a state of disorder, in which no information can be stored. This is even observable in every day life. Notice how ropes and cords always tend to knot themselves. Drawings in the sand erase themselves. Clothes in your drawer unfold and randomize themselves. The floor of your house gets dirty. Information itself is destroyed. But pi always exists, as do many other constants. So maybe pi, or all irrational numbers even, hold no information.

 

[SpinOutOfControl]

In a way he is right there is nothing separating you from that car. Or the air, or anything. It's all made up of the same shit. At least thats what I think some of the latest discoveries point towards.

Something cool that I like to think about is how this can transfer bits of information, maybe resulting in some sort of intuition or telepathy. Kind of like radio waves but things that take place down to a more quantum level. I imagine photons and light having the ability to store pieces of information kind of like a photo and transfer it. Like you are saying nothing is permanant that image in the sand or that quantum photo im imagining fades and vanishes eventually.

Idn though i have a crazy imagination sometimes and before someone can call me crazy ill say it myself! I'm fucking crazy lol.

 

[panic in paradise]

Pi is constant in the same sense that odd numbers have more balance then even numbers -
upon subtraction the reduction adds to the whole:

9 = 1111-1-1111¶1111-1-1111= 9
7 = 111-1-111¶¶¶¶111-1-111 = 7
5 = 11-1-11¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶11-1-11 = 5
3 = 1-1-1¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶1-1-1 = 3

it can not reach 1 until all the remainders are of the same value.

 

[nAON]

Aren't radio waves a type of particle moving through space? I thought radio was part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Concerning pi.. It's just a ratio I guess. Many things have ratios (the height of me versus my house for example), they're only linked by information, which itself is a strange concept. The universe and everything is continually moving to a state of disorder, in which no information can be stored. This is even observable in every day life. Notice how ropes and cords always tend to knot themselves. Drawings in the sand erase themselves. Clothes in your drawer unfold and randomize themselves. The floor of your house gets dirty. Information itself is destroyed. But pi always exists, as do many other constants. So maybe pi, or all irrational numbers even, hold no information.

I didn't mean pi as anything special, I meant any sort of constant - an electron is the same wherever you go in the universe, observes the same physical laws even if they are on the other sides of the universe, with nothing connecting them.

 

[jazz hands]

So then I asked what if we took the air away? Would separate us if we were in a vacuum? To put it another way, if there is nothing between me at point 'A' and a car at point 'B', what stops 'A' from being 'B'?

Nothing is there to stop it, in that case...

 

[panic in paradise]

^ can.not.look.away

thats anti-radious methink hahaa

 

[J.Wallace]

Ok man, you got to stop the acid right now. You are not making any sense at all (and this is when sober). Go to school, study something (start with basic things). And this is not to flame or anything but you obviously have some trouble with simple things. And I know this is Philosophy and Spirituality, so we can go a little out of the box, but this is just not really working out for you I'm afraid.

SO to just answer your question, it doesn't matter what is in between things, it's just the distance between the things that matter. That is what SEPERATES things. For more basic info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance.

What a ridiculously close minded post.

 

[Biovail]

Nothing is there to stop it, in that case...

That train only did that because of the pressure outside of it. It could have been at atmospheric pressure inside the train and if the pressure outside was 10atm the train would still have been crushed..

I mean, space is a vacuum (or close), but the universe isn't just one clump of matter.

What a ridiculously close minded post.

This guy obviously didn't understand the question (or much in general for that matter) so I was just ignoring him :D

 

[jazz hands]

That train only did that because of the pressure outside of it. It could have been at atmospheric pressure inside the train and if the pressure outside was 10atm the train would still have been crushed..

I mean, space is a vacuum (or close), but the universe isn't just one clump of matter.

I thought you were saying the vacuum was just between the two points. Anyway, it seems like you know the answer to your question then? Space is a relative thing.

 

[panic in paradise]

This guy obviously didn't understand the question (or much in general for that matter) so I was just ignoring him :D

he was just being safe.

 

[Biovail]

I thought you were saying the vacuum was just between the two points. Anyway, it seems like you know the answer to your question then? Space is a relative thing.

Hmm.. Lets say we have two points, A and B. Both points are in a vacuum and the surroundings are irrelevant (ie not going to collapse). What separates point A from point B? I can't feel anything or see anything. But A obviously isn't B. And if there were any light, the same object at either point would appear different depending on where the observer stood. Or would it?

So no, I haven't answered my question.. I'm even more confused than I was when I asked it.

On a similar subject, do points in space move? Or does matter move about points? From what I understand, gravity is the bending of space around objects with much mass. But what is bent? Gravity obviously exists in a vacuum, so matter isn't what is bent. And you can't bend nothing. So you're apparently bending space, and the actual points that represent where objects are move. And in what way is space bent? I don't believe it goes left, or right, or up, or any of the basic three dimensions we can observe. Does it bend time-space, just the time aspect? In which case, is time the bending of space? Do massive objects distort time? How would bending of time be observed? Would we observe it as speeding up? Slowing down? Could you do this infinitely (ie stop time)?

So much I don't fucking understand. Can anybody point me to some literature that explains any of this?

 

[panic in paradise]

^A and B merged, in the right conditions this would of created a C.

 

[panic in paradise]

Hmm.. Lets say we have two points, A and B. Both points are in a vacuum and the surroundings are irrelevant (ie not going to collapse). What separates point A from point B? I can't feel anything or see anything. But A obviously isn't B. And if there were any light, the same object at either point would appear different depending on where the observer stood. Or would it?

So no, I haven't answered my question.. I'm even more confused than I was when I asked it.

On a similar subject, do points in space move? Or does matter move about points? From what I understand, gravity is the bending of space around objects with much mass. But what is bent? Gravity obviously exists in a vacuum, so matter isn't what is bent. And you can't bend nothing. So you're apparently bending space, and the actual points that represent where objects are move. And in what way is space bent? I don't believe it goes left, or right, or up, or any of the basic three dimensions we can observe. Does it bend time-space, just the time aspect? In which case, is time the bending of space? Do massive objects distort time? How would bending of time be observed? Would we observe it as speeding up? Slowing down? Could you do this infinitely (ie stop time)?

So much I don't fucking understand. Can anybody point me to some literature that explains any of this?

wtf do i know

ive tried giving a response to this in three other threads, but, in as few words as possible:

matter in space is of graduating varying densities, much the same as our planets troposphere stratosphere meosphere, and the density of oxygen with in that, along with H2O in the air and w/e else, including us and our blood and its plasma etc.

time as we know it depends on the density of this matter, if the planets are resting in it, there is a friction amongst amosphere, causing the planet too either naturally slow down or speed up in rotation.


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