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^Thank you! See, we do really agree on MANY points, even if our experiences might have been rather different.

First off, suboxone is very, very VERY misunderstood. Of course it is a drug, but I have long ago come to peace with my drug use (i.e. it doesn't bother me in the least; I use drug when and if their potential benefits outweigh their potential harms; although it's a fine line it works when I don't use drugs I know I should (i.e. cocaine, heroin, etc. etc.)).

Shit, most doctors know next to nothing about suboxone. But then again, they also sold z-drugs as "non-addictive." Suboxone is one of the most potent opioids man knows, and I don't kid myself about this. Then again, I don't like to blame the drugs themselves (they are, after all, inanimate objects). The company's, ad agencies, marketing agencies and doctors who promote such drugs incorrectly and essentially lie to their patients (even if well intended) about their treatment, well, these are what we should be lashing out at.

The contradiction is that these drugs advertise themselves as an alternative to drug use, when they are in fact a drug themselves with consequences which can be even more severe than the drugs they are being taken to substitute.

Well, I take this drug, known as suboxone, knowing that it is exactly that a drug. Knowing more than most doctors seem to know about how it works and what its side effects are like. Frankly, it does gets me high every day, every time I take it (well, almost). But I don't mind, and frankly enjoy it in that regard. I'm glad I have my mother's little helper, given I'm not using any other drugs at this time. I can imagine my life without drugs, don't get me wrong, I just don't seem to have any need to live totally drug free (as drugs never really damaged my life until I came out with my family about using heroin, and even then their negative consequences were largely incidental).

It certainly is a shame when people get onto maintenance programs who have no business being on them (i.e. someone with a 30mg oxy habit getting put on 100mg of methadone...). But unlike such individuals there are also many of us who understand the risks of suboxone. I mean, it's a HUGE commitment for me to make, being on suboxone I mean.

I've already begun planning my taper, and atm it's looking like I'll be on it for a good long time. But frankly, as I'm already mentioned, once I use my potential harm/benefit calculus, it sure seems (and thus far has certainly been) that the potential benefits I have gained by using suboxone outweigh any possible harms. So, I continue on...

Trust me, I would not have gotten on suboxone just because I used a little dope know and again. I had a big problem, in the sense of being unable to control my emotions, and it only got infinitely worse (in other ways, such as the financial) when I came out to my family and asked for their help. But I don't need to get into that know, tis a whole nother bag of worms.

Anyways Batman, thanks for proving me wrong (again, I do mean this; yea, I'm a weirdo). We agree on much more than I initially thought. I'm glad you explained yourself!

Drugs are not for everyone, just as certain drugs aren't for me. Some people are find with certain drugs in their lives (or other more so addictive than not stimuli), other can't allow any such a honored space.

Blanket statements can be dangerously inaccurate because they often over generalize, or misunderstood, and thus I prefer to keep it to specifics. And lots of disclaimers ;) Yea, I was in law school...
 
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Nobody with an addiction to oxycodone should be on methadone for any maintenance purpose. Even if they only take 30mg of oxycodone, they shouldn't be on ANY dosage of methadone. Methadone is not the answer for all opiate addictions.

Unless they're taking grams of oxycodone of course and they've tried and failed with suboxone.
 
Haha, I don't think I proved anything wrong. I think that both of our points can help people. It's good to have them both out there, me thinks.
 
Months long of PAWS is not being misunderstood.

Suboxone withdrawals kill everything else out on the market.

Toothpaste, I wouldn't expect you to understand. You of course are still on it.

Ibogaine, folks, Ibogaine could do the world so much good. It has been scientifically proven to detox and cure addicts overnight. Why is this shit illegal and Suboxone is not? Why do I have to go to another country just to get an Ibogaine treatment? I say we kick everyone out of congress and kick out all people who hold political positions and start over with people who give a shit about this country.

I took a hydrocodone 7.5 the other night, just as the chills went away, cause my back was hurting. Now they are back.. AGAIN!
 
Frankly, given the difference between how you and I have treated suboxone, I have no fear that I won't ever have to go through what you have undoubtedly suffered from. But that just goes to show you how one uses a drug and one's specific body chemistry and whatnot can affect the subjective experience of it/and its cessation.

Like I said, can we not start another suboxone rant, either for or against? Pretty please?
 
Months long of PAWS is not being misunderstood.

Suboxone withdrawals kill everything else out on the market.

Toothpaste, I wouldn't expect you to understand. You of course are still on it.

Ibogaine, folks, Ibogaine could do the world so much good. It has been scientifically proven to detox and cure addicts overnight. Why is this shit illegal and Suboxone is not? Why do I have to go to another country just to get an Ibogaine treatment? I say we kick everyone out of congress and kick out all people who hold political positions and start over with people who give a shit about this country.

I took a hydrocodone 7.5 the other night, just as the chills went away, cause my back was hurting. Now they are back.. AGAIN!

.. if you keep crying and whining of course your paws will never end because most of them are probably MENTAL brought on by your own good...

Oh Suboxone PAWS lasts about FOREVER... and you took Hydrocone lol? I don't even know what to say...

so have fun with your remaining life...

If you want to feel better just keep posting how much you love Sub... I can already tell its working!

Have you even taken Ibogaine?

Let me know how it goes... LOL
 
Lol, yea, alas, I do... Rather foolish it is. Although given my own experience with NMDA antagonists I see great hope for such. But yea, I just would like to avoid future rantings and ravings (you know... :\)
 
I can assure you any rants/raves will not be from my end.

I have read the literature and seen some documentaries on ibogaine and yes, it looks promising, but I don't know anyone who's left the country to try it, which lead me to ask whether HC had tried it.
 
I doubt it, but I guess we shall see. Yea, I actually tried it a long time ago but was too freaked out and unready for psychedelics to take a "therapeutic" dose (and trust me I'm not worried about you ranting or raving). In my opinion it seems its promised to two fold: providing a scary/life altering experience that only psychedelics can provide while also having NDMA receptor antagonism action which is becoming a new, if novel and experimental, somewhat recognized way to effectively treat addiction/depression/anxiety (which a few DXM experiences have done for me successfully since then). I never meant to say it wasn't a valid question, I just, you know, don't wanna provoke him/her :\ alas what is done is done ;)
 
I definitely want to provoke some new knowledge/perspective on this, nothing more.

I'm really excited to try DXM as an NMDA antagonist on a daily basis, I still have to go pickup a bottle of delsym though.
 
for sure. it's fun to play guinea pig =D'

(I think my point before was I don't know how much knowledge you'd be able to provoke, although now I'm starting to lean more in your direction)

I could have just been so much more of a dick I must reward myself. somehow.
 
.. if you keep crying and whining of course your paws will never end because most of them are probably MENTAL brought on by your own good...

Oh Suboxone PAWS lasts about FOREVER... and you took Hydrocone lol? I don't even know what to say...

so have fun with your remaining life...

If you want to feel better just keep posting how much you love Sub... I can already tell its working!

Have you even taken Ibogaine?

Let me know how it goes... LOL

Damn, you must really love suboxone more than life to say that. 8)
 
I doubt it, but I guess we shall see. Yea, I actually tried it a long time ago but was too freaked out and unready for psychedelics to take a "therapeutic" dose (and trust me I'm not worried about you ranting or raving). In my opinion it seems its promised to two fold: providing a scary/life altering experience that only psychedelics can provide while also having NDMA receptor antagonism action which is becoming a new, if novel and experimental, somewhat recognized way to effectively treat addiction/depression/anxiety (which a few DXM experiences have done for me successfully since then). I never meant to say it wasn't a valid question, I just, you know, don't wanna provoke him/her :\ alas what is done is done ;)

If you live in the US, I know you are lying. I've tried so many connections in my major city and have found nothing. Ibogaine is a Schedule I substance in the US. They say it's just as bad as heroin, when it's NOT.

Obviously i've tried it, I'm sitting here describing how I'm in suboxone PAWS, and you're going to ask me if i've tried Ibogaine. 8)

I haven't tried it personally, but I do know from what I've read on google scholar. Many people have researched this drug. It's no big secret that it's 100000 times better than suboxone, sorry to say. Hell, the waismann method works, it has been proven to work just as Ibogaine has been proven to work. Just because your "high" is under attack doesn't mean their isn't other shit out there that's BETTER then what you are currently on. That's the TRUTH. ;)
 
If you live in the US, I know you are lying. I've tried so many connections in my major city and have found nothing. Ibogaine is a Schedule I substance in the US. They say it's just as bad as heroin, when it's NOT.

Obviously i've tried it, I'm sitting here describing how I'm in suboxone PAWS, and you're going to ask me if i've tried Ibogaine. 8)

I haven't tried it personally,

I've bolded information I find to be conflicting.

I personally do not use suboxone or maintenance drugs, I've only used it for rapid detox and for that it has proven itself a very sharp tool to keep in my toolshed. %)
 
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