Survived Abortion
Bluelighter
I was sitting there watching the sunset, peacefully meditating, when my silence was broken by a semi-drunk lithuanian fellow. He sat down next to me and started chatting about all sorts of uninteresting crap, like work. After discoveriong that I was meditating, he proceeded to give me his theory on reality - the same old trite horseshit that I've been hearing so much of for the past few years: that of the conviction that the human mind alone creates all of reality.
Is anyone else sick of this insidious theory? The problem with it is that when trying to argue with someone who belives in it, their arguement rests on a complete logical fallacy, which is that their belief that they are correct is based in the same level of subjectivity as the root of the arguement itself. In other words, it's like arguing that green is the only colour worth your attention because I believe it to be so (root of the arguement), and anything you say to the contrary is absolutely and objectively wrong because I believe it to be so (belief that they are correct). How are you going to argue with such outrageous nonsense as that?
For instance, I was presented with the argument that if every human in the world believed the world was square, it would become square. And that if you sent a satellite in to space to take a picture, the picture would represent a square planet. And this is supposedly proved by the fact that copernicus once proved that the earth revolved around the sun, rather than the sun around the earth, and so the earth only started revolving around the sun once people believed it to be so.
I will reduce this ridiculous theory by showing how absurd it is: if everyone in the world believed I didn't exist, does that stop me existing? Of course not. Most people don't know I exist as "I", they just know me the same way they know all of you, as another background number in the head-count of human beings. Even if everyone I ever knew decided that I didn't exist, or completely forgot, that doesn't erase my existence. I am still as present as I ever was, and always will be. My consciousness is forever in the here and now, I don't care what grandiose beliefs people have about their supposed omnipotent abilities.
It really annoys me that people are so arrogant and egocentric as to think that human beings are the universal creators of objective reality. I see these kinds of views expressed in Bluelight sometimes, and I believe quantum mechanics and it's more esoteric proponents (such as those behind the "what the bleep do we know?" movie) have a lot to answer for.
If I was the ultimate creator of everything, that would mean I could instantly reshape the universe to my heart's desires, which is obviously complete bullshit. I am as interdependent upon the universe as it is upon me. Why are people still believing and evangelizing this crap?
I think modern physics has become so misrepresented and distorted by metaphysical dreamers that people are now just believing anything and parroting it as the truth.
Is anyone else sick of this insidious theory? The problem with it is that when trying to argue with someone who belives in it, their arguement rests on a complete logical fallacy, which is that their belief that they are correct is based in the same level of subjectivity as the root of the arguement itself. In other words, it's like arguing that green is the only colour worth your attention because I believe it to be so (root of the arguement), and anything you say to the contrary is absolutely and objectively wrong because I believe it to be so (belief that they are correct). How are you going to argue with such outrageous nonsense as that?
For instance, I was presented with the argument that if every human in the world believed the world was square, it would become square. And that if you sent a satellite in to space to take a picture, the picture would represent a square planet. And this is supposedly proved by the fact that copernicus once proved that the earth revolved around the sun, rather than the sun around the earth, and so the earth only started revolving around the sun once people believed it to be so.
I will reduce this ridiculous theory by showing how absurd it is: if everyone in the world believed I didn't exist, does that stop me existing? Of course not. Most people don't know I exist as "I", they just know me the same way they know all of you, as another background number in the head-count of human beings. Even if everyone I ever knew decided that I didn't exist, or completely forgot, that doesn't erase my existence. I am still as present as I ever was, and always will be. My consciousness is forever in the here and now, I don't care what grandiose beliefs people have about their supposed omnipotent abilities.
It really annoys me that people are so arrogant and egocentric as to think that human beings are the universal creators of objective reality. I see these kinds of views expressed in Bluelight sometimes, and I believe quantum mechanics and it's more esoteric proponents (such as those behind the "what the bleep do we know?" movie) have a lot to answer for.
If I was the ultimate creator of everything, that would mean I could instantly reshape the universe to my heart's desires, which is obviously complete bullshit. I am as interdependent upon the universe as it is upon me. Why are people still believing and evangelizing this crap?
I think modern physics has become so misrepresented and distorted by metaphysical dreamers that people are now just believing anything and parroting it as the truth.
unfortunately, its not really a fail-safe argument, cop-outs aren't too hard too find. a pure idealism, far fetched as it may be, cannot be refuted. but neither can you refute a pure materialism. 
