The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread: 8th dose, I can't sleep so why not?

[idontdothizz]

Jesusgreen, as a lurker of the past I can tell you that when I looked through the Big and Dandys for information on this drug, I read through the first one without even knowing about the 6th one... The first one is what comes up when I searched, and after reading through just the first one... (51 pages of information) I did not need anymore, I was much too sick of reading to read 51 more pages on the 2nd one, nevermind another 100 on the 3rd and 4th. It is to the point where nobody is going to look through this one for basic knowledge especially with all the subthreads... To be honest, the only purpose of this thread is for keeping up with it socially. It is here where the people who read through the 1st and 2nd ones that make a BL account come to this thread to be social about their new habit. People like me who post their concerns and the like. To me, that is harm reduction. Some posts get out of hand, but we do not need for this thread to be anything but a social thread anymore.

Just my opinion.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Actually the PD Index links only to the latest incarnation of the thread, and I think you should think about that for a moment. This is a completely unresearched chemical with many potential side-effects and health issues with long term use, there have been no real studies into it as of yet - but you are saying we have all the information we need in the first thread conceived of the substance?

Of course not, information is changing, and we need to keep it up to date as any new changes in our knowledge of the substance happen!

Like I said, if you want a social thread for a particular substance, PD is not the place for it.

Now let's get back on topic please. If you wish to discuss the matter further feel free to send me or another PD moderator a PM but let's not clutter the thread further

 

[Cyanoide]

I don't know of any anti-dissociative-slurring supplements at GNC but I guess you could ask at the counter, heh. If it's really just a sudden and unprecedented shift in the way you react I don't think there's anything that can be recommended except to lay off the MXE. Sometimes things shift psychophysiologically and all of the sudden there's some new side effect with a drug you think you're familiar with. It happened to me with DPT, where suddenly taking it caused "dual stylus consciousness" (a disconcerting mind state where the perception of every event seems to occur again but delayed in experience by about two seconds). No other psychedelic brings about this very distinct experience and DPT has caused it in me the last three times I've used it at over 40 mg IM and I assume it's just going to be that way now. For you maybe it's this jelly mouth slurring thing at low doses. Some mysterious switch in your head gets thrown and just like that the drug is changed for you and there's nothing to be done about it but stop. It's possible things will reset in time given abstention but who knows?

Good point. It is indeed possible I have started reacting differently to MXE. This would also explain why my last two tryptamine trips (4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT) basically were ruined by MXE. Until now MXE has gone together perfectly with tryptamines but now when taken with tryptamines it just causes extreme confusion, total loss of short-term memory, hypertension and feelings of fear that I may do something stupid because the confusion is so extreme. I have done my fair share of MXE, too much and too often at times, ever since it came out on the market. I think a longer break from MXE would be good now, and I can instead focus on tripping on tryptamines, which to be honest I still enjoy more than MXE. It's just sad because MXE has brought so many great experiences and memories, but then again a break could bring the magic back. I've kind of lost the magic regarding MXE anyway. I've only had "hits" with MXE until recently but now it's mostly "miss".

Oh and the slurry mouth effect increases with dose, but it starts around 30 mg, with 100 mg I can barely say a word anymore. My mouth is almost paralyzed.

 

[yoyo50]

I'm finding that there's a profound synergy between MXE and tobacco. Often times I'll find that if I do a small-medium amount of MXE (20-40mg), I'll feel the effects, but after going outside and smoking a cigarette, the effects of the MXE become significantly more pronounced. Has anyone else experienced anything similar to this? Is there a possible explanation? I suppose it could be more of a mental effect (the action of getting up and venturing to the outside world to smoke a cigarette could effect me mentally)

Weed and mxe has fucked me a few times, if mxe is wearing off and u smoke some feels like its kicking back in

 

[Survived Abortion]

I myself have longed there be such a place. In the name of liberty the time has come to demand the digging of the great Big and Dandy MXE thread drainage ditch -- a stinking orgy of a thread where MXE induced diarrhea of the mouth sputters out explosively creating a fetid slop whose depths Bluelight’s manically squealing drug piggies may freely stampede from their pens to wallow in.

It will of course be the mod’s duty to both dig the ditch and regularly shovel shit into it so as to keep the septic pool party jumpin.

Hahahaha! This actually made me laugh out loud.

Sorry for quoting myself here but as there are so many messages being posted in this thread it just seems to drown, and I would really want to find out what the reason for the "mouth effect" is, and why on earth it happens every time on 30+mg doses now, when it never happened before. Is there some supplement that could help with my mouth/jaws feeling like jelly with MXE, making talking so slurry it's hard to even understand what I'm saying? It has nothing to do with the batch, it's an old batch I have that I found that didn't produce these effects before.

Dissociatives affect me in a similar way. I've found that the more frequently and heavily I use them, the pronounced the effect becomes. Like psood0nym has said, it seems like something that gets reinforced with subsequent dosings, although I'm not sure of the physciological reasons why. In the case of dissociatives, it may actually be a temporary change in brain functioning that doesn't wear off until you have given your brain sufficient rest and replenishment time. With dissociatives this can be months or longer.

I haven't tried talking to anyone whilst I've been on methoxetamine, because I have never used it in a social situation, or where there were other people tripping with me. With ketamine, I used to hole with groups of people all the time, and talking was a very difficult thing which other people seemed to find easy.

The speech centres of the brain are definitely suppressed during dissociative trips. It is not just difficult to actuate the physical mechanism to produce the words, but also to make the complex co-ordination between the initial intention, language centres, complex reasoning, and finally from the speech centres of the brain to the motor functions required to signal your mouth to move in the way that you need it to in order to express the initial intention.

If you feel that the effect is getting worse with subsequent usage, then you should think about giving it a medium term break to allow your speech and language centres to reformulate. I think I became a bit of a "k-tard" after too much use of K, in that I began to have trouble finding the right words to express myself during soberness. This got better after leaving dissociatives alone for months.

 

[missimoo]

word of warning: (Bizzarly),

For ages I thought I had ubber tollerance, and this drug has stopped working, but there a new batch is about, and it blew my head off. so watch out ..dont go OD on the new stuff thats about its VERY strong. I only sampled it sofar, but straight away I can tell its VERY STRONG AGAIN....

one off the dangers of drugs is that people get used to shit, then some good stuff comes along, and people overdose, so if you are taking high doses, and are re ordering, TEST IT FIRST..because i wouldnt want to mess with this stuff.

alternatively, goodnews is that the good stuff is back, but USE SCALES!!! and if ALWAYS TEST a new bag as if it were your first time, because you dont know if its bunk, or strong....or could be anything... be safe (a few years ago a vendor in the uk mixed up his bags and someone died..i cant remember the story exactly..when you buy some chemical of the interent, test is first, dont presume its what you asked for. because it could be cut, it could be fake, it could be PURE....you dont know..dont presume right away that its safe and standered, its a grey area market.. and thats where the danger is.

 

[mexr]

Can anyone compare buccal dosing to snorting? I usually snort but was wondering if the initial big dose should be buccal or sublingual, and then snort bumps after waiting 40-60 minutes. I've heard of people getting really bad sores from subbing. The problem I run into subbing is that it's hard to keep it all under the tongue because so much saliva builds up and it just feels nasty. How efficient is it to just rub a solid dose of MXE onto your gums and let it sit for like 20 minutes w/o drinking or swallowing anything?

 

[InterzoneAgent]

Good point. It is indeed possible I have started reacting differently to MXE. This would also explain why my last two tryptamine trips (4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT) basically were ruined by MXE. Until now MXE has gone together perfectly with tryptamines but now when taken with tryptamines it just causes extreme confusion, total loss of short-term memory, hypertension and feelings of fear that I may do something stupid because the confusion is so extreme. I have done my fair share of MXE, too much and too often at times, ever since it came out on the market. I think a longer break from MXE would be good now, and I can instead focus on tripping on tryptamines, which to be honest I still enjoy more than MXE. It's just sad because MXE has brought so many great experiences and memories, but then again a break could bring the magic back. I've kind of lost the magic regarding MXE anyway. I've only had "hits" with MXE until recently but now it's mostly "miss".

Oh and the slurry mouth effect increases with dose, but it starts around 30 mg, with 100 mg I can barely say a word anymore. My mouth is almost paralyzed.

I can definitely recommend the break in order to bring the magic back. I took a 4 month break myself because i had become basically immune to it's dissociation and the break was more than a right choice. My recent experiences with it have now been just like in the beginning about a year ago. I'll definitely only order small amounts and use it only very occasionally from now on.

I had a true ++++ experience with it a week ago (combined with cannabis). Unlike anything ever before. I posted a pretty thorough trip report about it just a moment ago containing also other observations about MXE & me.
edit. Link: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...visible-Labyrinth-(-)?p=10417629#post10417629

MXE is a very tricky substance to use actually. I strongly recommend using meditative techniques and mental preparation/focusing with it in a quiet enviroment. This is of course widely known fact when working with psychedelic substances but at least in my case MXE requies sort of special attention to avoid the trip becoming too manic and disjointed. I have found it's potential is totally wasted if your're not well prepared for the journey. I think this also helps to reduce the infamous moving around and possibly breaking things and other unwanted stuff happening while holing when you can keep your mind more calm and focused as much inwards as possible.

And talking has also been difficult for me always on MXE. I feel quite retarted for many hours after dosing when trying to express myself verbally. Talking is somewhat hard physically but it's maybe even harder mentally to find the right words, even when i can think much better than that.

Can anyone compare buccal dosing to snorting? I usually snort but was wondering if the initial big dose should be buccal or sublingual, and then snort bumps after waiting 40-60 minutes. I've heard of people getting really bad sores from subbing. The problem I run into subbing is that it's hard to keep it all under the tongue because so much saliva builds up and it just feels nasty. How efficient is it to just rub a solid dose of MXE onto your gums and let it sit for like 20 minutes w/o drinking or swallowing anything?

I haven't gotten any sores from sublingual dosing, however i only used it by that way few times in the beginning before switching to plugging. It's not that hard to keep under your tongue, but i'm sure it is absorbed from there much better and easily than just rubbing it onto your gums. Just let your jaws be at rest and sit still for 15 mins. I remember reading that snorting is the worst way, it's better to just take it orally in that case. I recommend plugging if you want to have a proper M-hole trip. The effects are very strong and fast that way i must warn though.

 

[mexr]

I ended up just subbing it and keeping it in my mouth for about 15 minutes. I swallowed the last of it 10 minutes ago, so 25mins since I put the MXE in my mouth. Just waiting to see how it goes, usually I find myself snorting bumps throughout the night however I may do another sub dose in a few minutes because supposedly the bioavailability is higher than snorting. The idea of plugging makes me uncomfortable and I don't want to get into needles.

I read your trip report InterzoneAgent, very interesting stuff. When I first had MXE a few months ago I had only ordered a gram but I used it pretty irresponsibly and did get into that manic / delusional state where I thought my thoughts were directly effecting the physical world. It led to some strange beliefs and actions but I got over it and regained my sanity so to speak. Now I'm sitting on over 11g of MXE and I feel pretty confident that I won't have an episode like that again because I've learned a lot from that experience. I still believe that consciousness and thoughts do effect reality, but not physically or directly. MXE definitely makes me feel more spiritual and I think can be used as such.

 

[fridgebuzz]

Does your MXE taste sour?

 

[yoyo50]

word of warning: (Bizzarly),

For ages I thought I had ubber tollerance, and this drug has stopped working, but there a new batch is about, and it blew my head off. so watch out ..dont go OD on the new stuff thats about its VERY strong. I only sampled it sofar, but straight away I can tell its VERY STRONG AGAIN....

one off the dangers of drugs is that people get used to shit, then some good stuff comes along, and people overdose, so if you are taking high doses, and are re ordering, TEST IT FIRST..because i wouldnt want to mess with this stuff.

alternatively, goodnews is that the good stuff is back, but USE SCALES!!! and if ALWAYS TEST a new bag as if it were your first time, because you dont know if its bunk, or strong....or could be anything... be safe (a few years ago a vendor in the uk mixed up his bags and someone died..i cant remember the story exactly..when you buy some chemical of the interent, test is first, dont presume its what you asked for. because it could be cut, it could be fake, it could be PURE....you dont know..dont presume right away that its safe and standered, its a grey area market.. and thats where the danger is.

Got some coming today, how much of a tolerance we talking? i was doing 1g every day up to a few weeks back..

 

[Jinux]

Got some coming today, how much of a tolerance we talking? i was doing 1g every day up to a few weeks back..

How are you still alive? 1G every day is FUCKING INSANE! Please, nobody repeat this. Fuck me.

 

[yoyo50]

How are you still alive? 1G every day is FUCKING INSANE! Please, nobody repeat this. Fuck me.

tolerance builds pretty fast, i was usually getting 5g on a beginning of week and be done by weekend.

Got some 5g today and plan to go slow with it along with gbl, did about 40mg and got a super tight chest from it.

 

[lynx2051]

I'm not enjoying MXE anymore, I think I may be going off it. It feels cold and dark....

 

[coelophysis]

word of warning: (Bizzarly),

For ages I thought I had ubber tollerance, and this drug has stopped working, but there a new batch is about, and it blew my head off. so watch out ..dont go OD on the new stuff thats about its VERY strong. I only sampled it sofar, but straight away I can tell its VERY STRONG AGAIN....

one off the dangers of drugs is that people get used to shit, then some good stuff comes along, and people overdose, so if you are taking high doses, and are re ordering, TEST IT FIRST..because i wouldnt want to mess with this stuff.

alternatively, goodnews is that the good stuff is back, but USE SCALES!!! and if ALWAYS TEST a new bag as if it were your first time, because you dont know if its bunk, or strong....or could be anything... be safe (a few years ago a vendor in the uk mixed up his bags and someone died..i cant remember the story exactly..when you buy some chemical of the interent, test is first, dont presume its what you asked for. because it could be cut, it could be fake, it could be PURE....you dont know..dont presume right away that its safe and standered, its a grey area market.. and thats where the danger is.

They were given 2c-bfly accidentally. And this is a healthy worry that all RC users should have when receiving a new batch of anything.

 

[ColtDan]

I'm not enjoying MXE anymore, I think I may be going off it. It feels cold and dark....

i find that when i do it too much, kinda feels wrong, usually a good indicator to lay off it for awhile

cant imagine people doing 1g of MXE.... man thats crazy.

got some MXE on the way and got a few grams left. still been keeping my usage to 60mg once a week, spread out dose, usually friday nights combined with valium, love it. still getting a nice afterglow

 

[mexr]

As far as I can tell from reading up on MXE and evaluating how my body feels on it, the most anyone should use is a gram a week, which seems to be safe if you at least take a day or 2 off to recoup sleep, stay hydrated and eat well enough.

I guess you could call the taste sour and a little bitter. It's pearl white and fluffy and the MSDS says it's sourced from China. However I read somewhere that my source didn't actually get it from that Chinese source, he just uses their MSDS. I live in the US and will contact this domestic vendor and inquire about where his product comes from. I've ordered 14g from him so far and the quality seems to be very good, so I think the quality of some of the new Chinese batches is probably as good as the good UK stuff (which may be banned soon).

I keep hearing good things about how good MXE feels mixed with benzos or even opis. Can anyone recommend some relatively easy to get RC's that will synergise well with MXE?

 

[ColtDan]

the bitter/sour stuff is pretty crap from what ive experienced,

 

[yoyo50]

As far as I can tell from reading up on MXE and evaluating how my body feels on it, the most anyone should use is a gram a week, which seems to be safe if you at least take a day or 2 off to recoup sleep, stay hydrated and eat well enough.

I guess you could call the taste sour and a little bitter. It's pearl white and fluffy and the MSDS says it's sourced from China. However I read somewhere that my source didn't actually get it from that Chinese source, he just uses their MSDS. I live in the US and will contact this domestic vendor and inquire about where his product comes from. I've ordered 14g from him so far and the quality seems to be very good, so I think the quality of some of the new Chinese batches is probably as good as the good UK stuff (which may be banned soon).

I keep hearing good things about how good MXE feels mixed with benzos or even opis. Can anyone recommend some relatively easy to get RC's that will synergise well with MXE?

AMT is amazing with MXE, there is a sub thread about combinations check that

 

[Pb109]

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i find that when i do it too much, kinda feels wrong, usually a good indicator to lay off it for awhileI
cant imagine people doing 1g of MXE.... man thats crazy.

got some MXE on the way and got a few grams left. still been keeping my usage to 60mg once a week, spread out dose, usually friday nights combined with valium, love it. still getting a nice afterglow

Agreed. Lay off it for a few weeks then go back to it if you wish. Give your brain a rest from this powerful substance.

A gram a day is a hell of alot IMO. I've used the substance on and off for 15 months (using daily at times) and the most I got through a day was 300mg. I thought this was heavy usage but it obviously was not compared to other people.