The Fate of Mankind

[SpunkySkunk347]

Eventually, natural life on Earth will end. The sun isn't going to be burning forever, and even if we beat that, our galaxy is going to implode - and even if we beat that, the universe itself is going to implode/explode/annihilate itself and, more than likely, will start over again.

There is an infinite cycle of recurrence and I'll apologize for letting you know that we are stuck in an infinite repeat. The only way to explain how we are experiencing existence "right now" is if there is a primordial chaos; and primordial chaos and eternal recurrence come together - they're like a package. You see, we are experiencing "right now" because if ALL possibilities exist in a primordial chaos, then there has to be a "right now". Basically, you exist, because you have to exist, because your existence must be included without a doubt in a set of "all possibilities", right?

This is nothing new; this is not new knowledge -- it is not knowledge we recently unlocked after gaining understanding through innovations in physics. All it is is knowledge that is gained merely through semantics and logic after thinking about it long enough. The Ancient Egyptians have said the exact same thing thousands of years ago - although to you their philosophy seems spooky and esoteric (when in actuality it is no different, not in the slightest, from our philosophy of today). Philosophy itself hasn't changed since the dawn of man; only the language used to express it has changed. Within our collective unconscious, the mind's memory gained not through experience but through genetic code, ALL philosophical principles are contained - but we create an accidental schism in our unconscious mind's perfect knowledge merely by living in a chaotic and fluctuating environment.

So what are humanity's options when it comes to prevailing against the eventual end of the universe? Our first guess may be that we must transcend - perhaps actually physically transcending to a higher state of being through future technology; perhaps we convert our race into energy-beings like in some science fiction story. Or perhaps we master multi-dimensional travel through both space and time; perhaps we gain technology which allows us to create matter and energy out of nothing, perhaps by channeling it through from another dimension. Perhaps we master the craft of manipulating the world around us to the extent that each human being becomes his own god.

But what then? If you try to fantasize about being able to manipulate anything/everything to the extent of your will, you will run into confusion. The first problem is, the will itself is only a function of imperfection. The will exists to drive a creature towards a state of lesser imperfection, but if there is no imperfection to begin with then the will has no purpose and would not function. If we became perfect beings, we would be will-less - because there is no point in doing anything when you already have everything.

I conclude that we are existentially fucked - doomed to eternal recurrence. Get used to the life you're living, because you're going to live it eternally.

I'd be a fuckin billionaire if anyone actually had the attention span to read what I just typed

 

[malakaix]

I read it and for the most part i agree. I'll weight in with my view in a bit..

I conclude that we are existentially fucked - doomed to eternal recurrence. Get used to the life you're living, because you're going to live it eternally.

So in thinking that, don't you find it liberating to know that there is no meaning or point.. that life just loops infinitely. Your free to enjoy each and every moment to its fullest without the concern or worry that your not fulfilling some imagined expectation of what life should be.

 

[fridgebuzz]

the universe itself is going to implode/explode/annihilate itself

I stopped reading here.

But...then I kept on reading and saw this

Basically, you exist, because you have to exist, because your existence must be included without a doubt in a set of "all possibilities", right?

Philosophy itself hasn't changed since the dawn of man; only the language used to express it has changed.

and I agree.

Or perhaps we master multi-dimensional travel through both space and time; perhaps we gain technology which allows us to create matter and energy out of nothing, perhaps by channeling it through from another dimension.

It would be crazy if a portal to another dimension opened up near Earth and began sucking matter and energy into it while a diplomatic voice spoke through the portal, "Hi, this is the 8th dimension. Sorry for the inconvenience but in our dimension we figured out how to gain something from nothing and it involves stealing it from yours. So sorry."

Must there always be a balance? Always a winner and a loser? Is it all push-pull give-take?

 

[capstone]

I think the human race is going to find some way to exterminate itself long before any of us have to worry about the sun exploding, much less the universe ending. We won't even make a footnote in some extraterrestrial history of the galaxy. Perhaps a plastic bottle will be found one day, and the ET archeologist that finds it will just conclude its a skeleton from some unknown life form. such is our fate.

If, and that's a really fucking big IF, we somehow manage to get our heads out of our asses, then we can start thinking about what to do next. Until then, its only delusions of grandeur while we slowly wipe ourselves out.

 

[L2R]

^lol, we need to make a sequel to "the gods must be crazy" in space.

 

[pk.]

Must there always be a balance? Always a winner and a loser? Is it all push-pull give-take?

No.

 

[fridgebuzz]

If, and that's a really fucking big IF, we somehow manage to get our heads out of our asses, then we can start thinking about what to do next. Until then, its only delusions of grandeur while we slowly wipe ourselves out.

Have you seen today's status of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty? It's [fucking] frightening not a single nuclear country has taken steps to decrease the number of nuclear weapons it has, and the U.S. is blowing it all to hell by developing new nuclear weapons. I'm jack of the vain, power-struggle mentality.

 

[-=SS=-]

..The sun isn't going to be burning forever, and even if we beat that, our galaxy is going to implode - and even if we beat that, the universe itself is going to implode/explode/annihilate itself and, more than likely, will start over again.

These are assumptions based upon a cosmological model that holds gravity to be the primary driving and shaping force of the Universe. IMO it is not true. I believe Electricity is the dominant force. If you take that to be true it completely reshapes the assumptions you made and how things operate in the Universe. Just a thought for you to consider

 

[Foreigner]

I don't think humanity is doomed. Imagine the countless cycles that humans have repeated over and over again to achieve their current level of evolution. The current situation looks bad but it's not an exception to the rule. We'll rise up and fall down, and each time we will improve slightly. The idea that we are at our apex now is just a product of human arrogance, as every era of human history is marked by people who think they're as good as it gets.

Personally... I subscribe to the Vedic concept of regeneration/degeneration. It doesn't matter where you are born in the cycle, there are always the elements of spiritual aid present to help you enlighten. This era is no different.

 

[fridgebuzz]

I don't think humanity is doomed. Imagine the countless cycles that humans have repeated over and over again to achieve their current level of evolution. The current situation looks bad but it's not an exception to the rule. We'll rise up and fall down, and each time we will improve slightly.

We don't use stones and spears anymore. Nowadays the world can be sterilized with the push of a button.

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

Have you seen today's status of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty? It's [fucking] frightening not a single nuclear country has taken steps to decrease the number of nuclear weapons it has, and the U.S. is blowing it all to hell by developing new nuclear weapons. I'm jack of the vain, power-struggle mentality.

Isn't it frightening to think that one day they might test out a new type of nuke that turns out to be many fold stronger than anticipated, and it destroys 50,000 square miles? I mean, if they keep tinkering around with fusion nukes, a scenario could occur where the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining for much longer than calculations would predict, and it could be devastating.

Scientists like to think they can predict scenarios, but their calculations are off more often than we hear about -- just think about the first nuke they detonated in new mexico; it was something like 50 times more powerful than they thought it would be. They were thinking that it would maybe take out 1/3 of a square mile, not an entire city.

Really, all weapons researchers are doing is taking a stab in the dark when they tamper with things like nuclear fusion; there might be hidden reactions that we never knew about, and one day we might accidentally discover them.

What if the energy level released by a nuke becomes so high that it results in the fission not of heavy metals, but of protons themselves -- releasing the full potential energy of the strong nuclear force that holds the quarks in protons together: a tremendous amount of energy that could rip holes in our atmosphere. This could happen if anti-matter nukes were developed.

But really, all I'm doing is fantasizing about doomsday scenarios
I just pray that scientists realize that such powerful weapons as anti-matter bombs have no practical use in warfare (there's no need to destroy an entire country, and blight surrounding countries with just one bomb).
Unless we get into a war with aliens one day and need to blow up a planet, I don't see the point of developing weapons any more powerful than what we already have
Anti-matter weapons could also result in the release of new rare subatomic particles that we have no knowledge of pertaining to their effects on living beings

Perhaps if small anti-matter bombs were developed to replace nukes, they would at least be cleaner than fission-type weapons (no radioactive aftermath).

 

[SpunkySkunk347]

These are assumptions based upon a cosmological model that holds gravity to be the primary driving and shaping force of the Universe. IMO it is not true. I believe Electricity is the dominant force. If you take that to be true it completely reshapes the assumptions you made and how things operate in the Universe. Just a thought for you to consider

The thing is, all stars have a life cycle - whether electromagnetism is the universe's dominant force or not. One day, our Sun WILL exhaust its supply of hydrogen, and whether it supernovas or cools into a dwarf at that point does not change the fact that we will die very quickly without a star to supply heat to our planet -- but that point aside, our Sun will turn into a red giant and engulf our planet a long time before we ever have to worry about how to survive without the heat from the Sun.

Point is, we are going to have to leave this planet behind one day (if we survive that long).

We could upload the minds of a few million people into a supercomputer where they could live in a virtual reality, then put that supercomputer on board a spacecraft, and launch it off to another Earth-like planet in a different solar system that would take a few million years to reach. Once we got there, we could begin artificially cloning humans with DNA made from scratch, and upload minds from the super computer into synthetic brains placed inside the skull of the cloned body (at least until we were able to resume natural reproduction).

The spacecraft wouldn't need much power to run (once it reaches an ideal speed for space travel, no further fuel would be required since there is no friction in space to slow the spacecraft down; perhaps it would just need a small amount of fuel to make minor adjustments in its route every 100,000 years or so), and perhaps could be powered by loose radiation in space to keep the supercomputer running.

A good philosophical question would be "Wouldn't we technically cease to be 'us' if our mind's were uploaded into a computer, as the mind put in the computer would only be a 'copy' of ours?" This could be resolved if were to slowly convert one section of our brain at a time to an electonic piece -- that way, we would retain our "self" because we would have slowly integrated the electronic "copy" one piece of the brain at a time.

If Earth-like planets are too rare to simply travel to a new one, we might have to resort to terra-forming a planet that resembles Earth close enough that it could be transformed into one. Another alternative would be to simply build a massive space station for humanity to live on, and have that space station orbit a new sun in order to avoid the hassle of terra-forming a planet.

 

[Portillo]

Get used to the life you're living, because you're going to live it eternally.

More reason to rock n roll all night and party every day!

 

[capstone]

Isn't it frightening to think that one day they might test out a new type of nuke that turns out to be many fold stronger than anticipated, and it destroys 50,000 square miles? I mean, if they keep tinkering around with fusion nukes, a scenario could occur where the fusion reaction becomes self-sustaining for much longer than calculations would predict, and it could be devastating.

Scientists like to think they can predict scenarios, but their calculations are off more often than we hear about -- just think about the first nuke they detonated in new mexico; it was something like 50 times more powerful than they thought it would be. They were thinking that it would maybe take out 1/3 of a square mile, not an entire city.

Really, all weapons researchers are doing is taking a stab in the dark when they tamper with things like nuclear fusion; there might be hidden reactions that we never knew about, and one day we might accidentally discover them.

What if the energy level released by a nuke becomes so high that it results in the fission not of heavy metals, but of protons themselves -- releasing the full potential energy of the strong nuclear force that holds the quarks in protons together: a tremendous amount of energy that could rip holes in our atmosphere. This could happen if anti-matter nukes were developed.

But really, all I'm doing is fantasizing about doomsday scenarios
I just pray that scientists realize that such powerful weapons as anti-matter bombs have no practical use in warfare (there's no need to destroy an entire country, and blight surrounding countries with just one bomb).
Unless we get into a war with aliens one day and need to blow up a planet, I don't see the point of developing weapons any more powerful than what we already have
Anti-matter weapons could also result in the release of new rare subatomic particles that we have no knowledge of pertaining to their effects on living beings

Perhaps if small anti-matter bombs were developed to replace nukes, they would at least be cleaner than fission-type weapons (no radioactive aftermath).

They thought there was a possibility of lighting the entire atmosphere on fire when they tested the Trinity bomb. When is comes in the name of "progress", these psychopathic fucks couldn't care less if something they develop destroys the solar system. It wouldn't bother them in the least.

 

[-=SS=-]

The thing is, all stars have a life cycle - whether electromagnetism is the universe's dominant force or not. One day, our Sun WILL exhaust its supply of hydrogen, and whether it supernovas or cools into a dwarf at that point does not change the fact that we will die very quickly without a star to supply heat to our planet -- but that point aside, our Sun will turn into a red giant and engulf our planet a long time before we ever have to worry about how to survive without the heat from the Sun.

No. You don't understand what it means to have an electrical Sun and not a gravity/nuclear based Sun. An electrical Sun is not burning up Hydrogen, it is expressing incoming electrical energy much like a positive anode.. it is arc'ing. It will not exhaust its hydrogen because it isn't consuming it in the first place.

I highly recommend you read up on plasma cosmology and the electric universe theory. Unlike our current model which is totally mathematical this new cosmological model is erm, actually based on what we observe! Like comets that are supposed to be made of ice and dust that just magically begin to emit x-rays and flare up which travelling away from the Sun.. they are undergoing an electrical potential change and arc'ing.