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Regional Heroin Discussion v13: Points of reference

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When are you up next, kat?

Still nothing decent around - chap with the good stuff hasn't anything there.

I just bumped into a mate in the unemployment line. As if thats not depressing enough, he's heading off to score shortly and its extremely tempting to join him. I've only 40 left for the week and its owed out, so I'm trying to decided if its worth dodging the chap I owe to and giving it to him more towards the weeks end, or hanging around, paying him and chancing his product (layed on) to see if it has improved...

Nah, fuck it. I'd be a fool to pay cash I dont have for likely sub-par gear; strolling the streets of Dublin in the daylight of a Wednesday with two chaps off their faces. One of these fucking assholes got my best mate back on the fucking needle, and everyday too. I know he cant be solely to blame, but he's a fucking enabler if ever there was one. The guy spent a month and a half in rehab for nothing...I don't know why he even bothered going, he was out just over 24hours until he was sticking a needle in his arm again. He's out about a three weeks and already he's completely stung out again. Pumping sweat in the welfare office so he was. Its fucking depressing.

I think the best thing to do, rather than just blow money I don't have on gear, is to just have a coffee, a wash, a shave, and make one fuck of a sandwhich. If my phone rings, I'll just let it ring out. In fact, I'll leave it in the other room.
 
endlessnameless said:
Hey dear :]

I'm just curious (what else) - are these people you know shooting or smoking? I ask because when I scored that rubbish last weekend I was quite a few miles away from home and two guys who were scoring with me showed me a place I could fix, and while I smoked a bag and a half in less than 20mins and felt next to nothing, they each shot a bag of the same product and their heads were in their knees.
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Hiya! :) Most of the people i know have a turn on, so do a few of the Irish users on Bluelight, & both groups of people think the gear going around is rubbish too! You'll always get a few people with their head on their knees even after they have used rubbish gear! Its the power off suggestion! I've seen it countless times through out this drought!

Hope your keeping well! Good man for not scoring & getting your self in debt to-day! Is so sunny out to-day, sometimes that makes it easier not to score, though sometimes it makes it harder! Its a weird one!

I'm due in the clinic tomorrow, i could score afterwards but i'm gonna try not to! Its such a head wreck!!! Why oh fucken why can we not get proper gear??? :?
 
You guys in Direland are better off not buying anything if you ask me - cos as soon as anything decent comes in you will soon know about it. Why waste your money on 5% crap - its only cos people are buying it that they keep selling it, you need to change back to a buyers market and not the other way round. If there is gear in what ever it is your buying then there are bricks coming in and just getting stamped to fuck so dont buy till it gets better, Over here the price of an oz has doubled but there is still plenty of profit to be made but theres more if its stepped on 4.5.6 - 1.
 
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Yeah Blondin thats the only way! Although until things in the UK are sorted then they are not gonna be sorted here. In-fact i honestly don't think things will ever be sorted, there is a big reason for this drought, i don't know what it is? but it is nothing to do with a Poppy blight!

Very few people are scoring regularly in Dublin now anyway, i cut back to once every 2 weeks, i think thats good!!! Hoping not to score after clinic tomorrow, but we all know how bad things get once the cravings take over!!!
 
Hey Kat, ur going not guilty, right?

Anyway, I rang a dealer the other day from Cannock way to ask if things were going shitty up that way too. He said 'no, all good here'. So I tried a bag off him when I went up and Jesus wept, it was utter garbage! Dark and slightly clumpy powder and when u burnt it it was REALLY red and tested 'red' too if you know what I mean. I believe it's malletone (sp?) that is the red shit aint it? So anyway, I called him and asked why he said it was decent and he said 'it does the job don't it?'. Well NO, it doesn't do the fucking job, not at all!

The guy I got to in Brum did have half decent shit but that's got weaker now. I'm not buying any more of this shit till things improve, it's ALMOST as bad as the dark days of the drought.
 
no.I'm pleading guilty of concern in supply
but only that i received the texts then passed the phone and my bank card to the dealer
this is my best option by far
then there's the cultivation charge and they are also doing e for possession of 2 clonazepam
 
Haven't been able to get to see the guy with the nice stuff who lives in different town to me.
So have had to score locally this week and yes it's still crap. Don't know what's in it but it really leaves me drowsy the next morning when I try to get up for work but gives no buzz at all at the time of smoking it.
 
@ Hooks,
Alright son , well what a couple of weeks it's been in & around Brum ! Since 1 of my main went off I've tried old contacts , new contacts , I've even waited around certain area's hoping to spot certain characters on the off chance of landing something half decent !
I did manage to sort something only available in points through AFOAF.
The prices being quoted for weights were absolutely horrific !

Then today i get 2 tx off my 2 main both saying back on 'Evil' Scabby etc..... So i got a tina off both & they are indeed a very nice smoke ! Expensive but it's what you have to pay nowaday's for a good bit of kit .

Got me thinking though, 2 dealers within 2 miles of each other with totally different gear ! That will only last a couple of weeks ? Same incoming flight me wonders ?? Is that why it's so expensive ? No Turkish, no huge imports of proper lasting for months, little independant firms bringing a few k in & being able to charge what the fuck they want ?

Who knows , I'm just glad to have weight available again. So Hooks, 4 x 4 , keep your eyes & ears open there is good about again !! ;-)
 
Hiya louie, ur right, what the fuck has happened to Brum?
That's the thing though, now you've said that I'll be easy fodder for the dealers alluring temptations of 'fire's landed'. Then if I go and it sucks it's such a soul destroyer!!!

Sheers for the heads up tho mate, I'd still rather hear of decent stuff landing than nowt at all for the forseeable.

Kat, I'd really advise you to go not guilty and then when the trial comes up you'll know for sure if they've got enough to nail you or not. Imagine if they were 50/50 about it at the moment and you plead guilty? They win without ever having to do shit. If you go not guilty and they have to review their evidence then they might drop it (that's what happened to me). The only benefit you'll get out of going guilty at this stage is maybe a month or two off your sentence should you go guilty at the next stage. Don't do the bastards job for them, I bet they fucking love it when that happens. It's your choice tho of course, you gotta do whatever feels right. Good luck either way, ok?
 
hooks said:
I rang a dealer the other day from Cannock way to ask if things were going shitty up that way too. He said 'no, all good here'. So I tried a bag off him when I went up and Jesus wept, it was utter garbage! Dark and slightly clumpy powder and when u burnt it it was REALLY red and tested 'red' too if you know what I mean. I believe it's malletone (sp?) that is the red shit aint it? So anyway, I called him and asked why he said it was decent and he said 'it does the job don't it?'. Well NO, it doesn't do the fucking job, not at all!
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Oh i know this story only too well! This has happened to me constantly through out this poxey drought! At this stage there is only about 3 people who's opinions i trust & anytime i ask them is there any news they say the same as me, its all rubbish!!

I had a total melt down to-day! :( It came from no where, one minute i was fine, i stood up & put my jacket on to go to the shop & the very next second i was crying my eyes out! I hadn't taken my methadone & i was well late taking it, so withdrawals kicked in hard!

I curled up in a ball with tears running down my face, i just couldn't stop crying, i felt like i was falling apart! My boyfriend came in & looked shocked when he saw me, i just kept crying (it is not like me to ever cry!) & saying that i can't handle this been stuck in limbo! I haven't been stoned in a year & a half & yet the withdrawals are as bad as ever! I feel like i'm paying back heavily for all the years of using! Its like still having a hangover a year & a half after you've stopped drinking, only withdrawals are so much worse! W.D's are such a head fuck, it really plays with your mind!

My Boyfriend got me my methadone & i did feel better after about half an hour, but the depression & torturous cravings didn't lift! But i knew if i'd scored that i would have got a bag of bash! & i would have been dirty when i go to the clinic tomorrow, i've had a warning from the clinic that i'll loose my take-aways if i'm dirty again!

Its crazy the way you can plod along & feel ok for ages & then suddenly it all comes tumbling down! I felt so hopeless/frustrated/angry even! I can't score proper gear for all this time, i can't have any of the good that comes from heroin, yet i'm still stuck with the bad parts of heroin all this time later! I'd love to start dropping my methadone, but the poxey 60mls barely holds me!!! I always feel on the verge of W.D's!

What a mess, hey? Did any of us really know how long we'd be paying back for our heroin use? You can't just move on! & its scary knowing that if proper gear became available tomorrow that i'd be right back to were i started, using every single day & been left with out a pot to piss in! Methadone just holds you suspended in your physical & mental addiction, i haven't got anywhere in the last year & a half, yet i've barely used any heroin! & the odd time that i did use heroin it was so weak you could hardly even all in heroin!

Sorry for the moan, i'll be back to normal tomorrow! Does anyone else ever get like this? Do you ever get really upset over withdrawals & cravings? Do you ever start withdrawing & then realize what a serious mess that your in?
 
Its all 0/10 Fucking terrible. :!

the last person with half decent stuff went off about a week ago.

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utter shite gear

well im in dudley or there abouts and the last couple of days the gear has been a joke again, its a shame coz it was nice for quite a while .my main dealer has been offering <snip> on an oz and still cant get gear you can feel so fuk it im hibernating same as hooks (wake me up in the summer)
 
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Oh i know this story only too well! This has happened to me constantly through out this poxey drought! At this stage there is only about 3 people who's opinions i trust & anytime i ask them is there any news they say the same as me, its all rubbish!!

I had a total melt down to-day! :( It came from no where, one minute i was fine, i stood up & put my jacket on to go to the shop & the very next second i was crying my eyes out! I hadn't taken my methadone & i was well late taking it, so withdrawals kicked in hard!

I curled up in a ball with tears running down my face, i just couldn't stop crying, i felt like i was falling apart! My boyfriend came in & looked shocked when he saw me, i just kept crying (it is not like me to ever cry!) & saying that i can't handle this been stuck in limbo! I haven't been stoned in a year & a half & yet the withdrawals are as bad as ever! I feel like i'm paying back heavily for all the years of using! Its like still having a hangover a year & a half after you've stopped drinking, only withdrawals are so much worse! W.D's are such a head fuck, it really plays with your mind!

My Boyfriend got me my methadone & i did feel better after about half an hour, but the depression & torturous cravings didn't lift! But i knew if i'd scored that i would have got a bag of bash! & i would have been dirty when i go to the clinic tomorrow, i've had a warning from the clinic that i'll loose my take-aways if i'm dirty again!

Its crazy the way you can plod along & feel ok for ages & then suddenly it all comes tumbling down! I felt so hopeless/frustrated/angry even! I can't score proper gear for all this time, i can't have any of the good that comes from heroin, yet i'm still stuck with the bad parts of heroin all this time later! I'd love to start dropping my methadone, but the poxey 60mls barely holds me!!! I always feel on the verge of W.D's!

What a mess, hey? Did any of us really know how long we'd be paying back for our heroin use? You can't just move on! & its scary knowing that if proper gear became available tomorrow that i'd be right back to were i started, using every single day & been left with out a pot to piss in! Methadone just holds you suspended in your physical & mental addiction, i haven't got anywhere in the last year & a half, yet i've barely used any heroin! & the odd time that i did use heroin it was so weak you could hardly even all in heroin!

Sorry for the moan, i'll be back to normal tomorrow! Does anyone else ever get like this? Do you ever get really upset over withdrawals & cravings? Do you ever start withdrawing & then realize what a serious mess that your in?
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Hi Ructs

sounds to me that you are on too lower dose of methadone - to stop cravings and to feel 'normal' you need at least 70-100 mgs the trouble is in the UK
and over there by the sounds of it they script you enough to stop being sick when in fact the therapeutic dose and the dose thats recomended is the one I mentioned. YOur Key worker should advise your doc to increase yer dose to treeat the cravings and general feeling of feeling shit !
What dose are you on btw?
 
Hi Blondin! I'm on 60mls, so as the Doctor says i'm on more of a detox dose then a stop the cravings/holding dose. The Doctor has offered to put up my dose but i'm being stupidly stubborn!

One reason is coz i hate methadone, its horrible stuff, i hate the side effects, so i try to take as small a dose as i can. The other reason is coz deep down i still want to use heroin, i'm hoping every day that this drought will end, so i wanna be ready for when it does end & don't want to be on too high a dose of methadone to block the heroin if it ever does come back, isn't that about as dumb as it gets!

So i'm due in the clinic to-day, so i'll talk to the Doctor, i truly hate the thoughts of taking more then 60mls, i was hoping at some stage my body would get used to the 60mls & i'd stabilize, i've been on methadone for 7 years, i managed to stay on 40mls for the first 2 years, but i was using heroin as well. What a fecken mess!
 
No such thing as a 'detox' dose unless your tapering. If I was you I would try a higher dose as its not hard to drop down from say 70/80 to 50. If you do get any thing decent u only need to stay off the juice for 24h for the H to work its magic though the longer the better.
 
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No such thing as a 'detox' dose unless your tapering.
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Well thats what my Doctor called it & i wasn't gonna argue with the man! ;) But he was basically saying the same thing as you. What he meant by a detox dose was that normally people would only be on 60mls when the are tapering, he recommended a few months ago that i take a higher dose until i was ready to start tapering, but i didn't want to take a higher dose.

I was at the clinic to-day but i chickened out of bring up it all up again with my Doctor. I really don't want to higher my dose, i know that i'm being stupidly stubborn! He weighed me & i have lost even more weight! I have lost a stone & a half again over the last 3 months, & i wasn't in anyway overweight to start with. At the start of the drought i lost loads of weight, i craved gear & just stopped eating, during this time i also lost a stone & a half. This went on for the first 8 months of the drought. Then i started feeling better & i started eating properly & re-gaining my weight, but over the last 3 months i have totally lost my appetite again & i'm back to square one. The Doctor told me to drink Ensure (Yuk!!!)

When i was using heroin daily i looked healthy & i was happy, family & friends always said i looked well! Since the drought i have become really skinny & underweight, i have no energy & i look pale & feel like shit! Now family & friends are all really worried about me coz i look so bad. How ironic, when i was strung out i looked fine & now that i'm more or less clean i look totally strung out 8( & people are starting to get suspicious about me!

My Doctor says that its unusual that i have lost so much weight ect. Its normally the other way around, people normally start eating & looking healthier when they stop using heroin! I looked at my Doctor straight in the eye & said that maybe i am better off on heroin, coz it makes me healthier & happier! His reaction to that was pretty bad!!! & then he said that i'd want to start thinking differently if i want to stay/get clean! Haha!!!
 
well i told you my opinion fwiw - i look nomal when im on smack and when im not i get over weight. BUT if your not happy in lots of areas of your life and by adding 20mgs of drug your already taking it will make you happy its a no brainer (i know i have simplified this)
 
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