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Mixmag - "Methoxetamine = roflcoptr" - *MUST READ*

On it's own, methoxetamine is relatively non-toxic in the physical sense (psychologically, like ketamine it can warp reality a bit too much for some), I've just read a thread about someone who, more than once, has taken 1500mg+ in 24 hours. It's toxicity is probably somewhere around that of ketamine (fatal dose is 6000mg+ in one go), but like a shit load of other drugs, in combination with that 'good', ie brings in lots of revenue to the government, drug alcohol, the combination makes it more dangerous (until toxicology eveidence says conclusively, I refuse to say toxic as deaths will be from the vomiting that alcohol is notorious for while in an immobile state due to the dissociative). If such articles were fair and balanced, theyed be saying death was due to alcohol, with methoxetamine being a contributing factor, but that makes alcohol the main bad guy of the piece and we can't have that, can we?

In the past, deaths from heavy drinking then taking prescription drugs such as tricyclic antidepressants went totally uncommented about by the media because the contributing factor is also a good drug (ie prescribed). Thousands died from taking alcohol with barbiturate type drugs (remember someone called Marylin Monroe?) yet it took the medical profession to withdraw barbiturates because of their danger, not a 'trial by media' as methoxetamine is getting.

If the powers that be weren't so far up their own arses about drug use, people would be properly informed/educated about things like mixing different drugs and their potential hazards. I mean the literatuure is getting better, but it's still deeply enshrined in the 'just say no' mentality; an approach that has been shown to be a waste of time in nearly all cases. All human societies have intoxicants as an integral part of their structure, no matter where in the world you look. Why don't the people who are voted into power to look after our needs realize that it's a basic human instinct (like sex and we all know how good a job the previous powermongers - the church - did trying to stop people having sex before they were married!) and work with it instead of trying to put restraints on society that will never work - Peter the great had people executed for smoking tobacco, yet it continued despite such draconian measures. There's a saying that those who forget history are doomed to repeat the mistakes; well chalk this up as another example of that

I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but it does a body good to express a deeply held conviction...
 
fastandbulbous said:
If the powers that be weren't so far up their own arses about drug use, people would be properly informed/educated about things like mixing different drugs and their potential hazards. I mean the literatuure is getting better, but it's still deeply enshrined in the 'just say no' mentality; an approach that has been shown to be a waste of time in nearly all cases. All human societies have intoxicants as an integral part of their structure, no matter where in the world you look. Why don't the people who are voted into power to look after our needs realize that it's a basic human instinct (like sex and we all know how good a job the previous powermongers - the church - did trying to stop people having sex before they were married!) and work with it instead of trying to put restraints on society that will never work - Peter the great had people executed for smoking tobacco, yet it continued despite such draconian measures. There's a saying that those who forget history are doomed to repeat the mistakes; well chalk this up as another example of that
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Bang on man. Well said!
 
fastandbulbous said:
I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but it does a body good to express a deeply held conviction...
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You can preach all day with such stylish prose my friend. The politics of the UK drug scene right now is a fucking joke. We have yet to see how the imminent mothexetamine scare is gonna be handled by the coalition government, with Leslie Iverson now the head of ACMD in place of David Nutt now I beleive, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for Nick Clegg to redeem whatever possible credibility the lib dems have left by attempting to resurrect his pre-election drug stance now that were're living in Cameron's UK.

It takes me back to this time 2 years ago, at the height of the "Meow meow" craze, around the time Alan Johnson sacked David Nutt for attempting to save atleast a small percentage of the youth of this country from the alcohol soaked mess that is "pound a pint night" and trying to persuade parents across the uk that were their young college kids to spend their weekends wandering the outdoors taking mushrooms or LSD, then this might actually be preferable to have them appearing on thats night's editon of "booze britain" lying passed out in the street with a bloody nose or damp patch over their groin. But unfortunately the message didn't seem quite to go over.

A sad story from that time but it's highly pertinent so i want to tell it. Me and a group of friends were on our way back from a night out when we witnessed a suicide. I'm not gonna include any details, not that anyone would want them anyhow. My point is this. A bag got left behind by the person and in it was a suicide note along with a three quarter finished bottle of vodka. I didn't know the person who died personally or anything but my friend who was there showed me the newspaper report they found of the incident a couple of weeks later. There was no mention at all of the drink. This was right around the time mephedrone was being banned and yet here was a drug related death that just got totally plastered over. I mean, I don't know that it didn't get logged down as an alcohol related death by the police for national statistics, but if it did, and I highly doubt it, then all that means is that the paper fucked up for not reporting the story correctly, which is equally bad and just another avenue for a british institution to cover up the ill effects of alcohol. Now obviously I'm not saying that the drink was the actual cause of the suicide, but just imagine if the tables were turned and they had found half a wrap of mephedrone in the bag along with the suicide note instead. I'm guessing that the papers might have remembered to include that in their story.

Sorry to have to unload such a delightful story, but, to my mind, Alan Johnson had blood on his hands for what he did when he tried to mislead the public as to the dangers of drugs, just like Russel Cope might just have blood on his hands for his bit of shameless advertising on the mixmag kids of today. Not to get too overdramatical on a weeknight, but just recounting this cheary little set of events reminds me why i choose my nice little dissociative anaestetic bubble, with my Hunter S Thompson books and my Doug Stanhope sets, rather than have to engage with 95 per cent of the mother fucks that make up this disgrace of a country, anyday.
 
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Swarm said:
Now obviously I'm not saying that the drink was the actual cause of the suicide, but just imagine if the tables were turned and they had found half a wrap of mephedrone in the bag along with the suicide note instead. I'm guessing that the papers might have remembered to include that in their story.
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I'm guessing you'd be right!
 
Waste of time reply from ASA

MIXMAG



Thank you for contacting the Advertising Standards Authority. I’m sorry to learn that this matter has caused you concern.



I’m sorry to tell you that we can’t deal with your complaint because it relates to editorial material. The ASA isn’t entitled to regulate that so I would perhaps suggest that you write to the Editor of the publication. Given that this is space marked out for editorial content by the publishers, they are responsible for its content, we can only look into paid-for ads were the publishers have taken payment to place the information.



The Code states that for content to be an advertorial there must be:



1. Editorial control by the marketer, and

2. Payment or another reciprocal arrangement



We spoke with the publishers who explained that this was an article commissioned by the publication directly, no money changed hands as a result of the article and the drug company in question had no editorial control over its content.



If you’re unable to pursue this further with the magazine, you could contact the Press Complaints Commission at 1 Salisbury Square, London EC4Y 8AE or www.pcc.org.uk.



I hope you find this useful and are able to pursue your complaint. Our website, www.asa.org.uk, contains more information about the ASA and the work we do.



Finally, I’d like to thank you for taking the trouble to raise your concerns with us.



Best regards,





Emily Henwood

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iv never tired methox and dont plan on doing so. the only times i considered it was to get a similar feeling to K but people have mentioned its not a good K replacement. I dont know much about it but i hope if it does become illegal the K market will pick up again just like the mdma scene when drone was banned.
 
It isn't the presence of methoxetamine that's affecting the ketamine market - it's the clampdown on manufacturing in the third-world countries that used to be responsible for the global supply (India in particular). Just like it wasn't the presence of mephedrone that caused the MDMA shortage.

So unfortunately (for ket-heads anyway) methoxetamine being made illegal wouldn't help the ketamine market one bit.
 
headfuck123 said:
iv never tired methox and dont plan on doing so. the only times i considered it was to get a similar feeling to K but people have mentioned its not a good K replacement. I dont know much about it but i hope if it does become illegal the K market will pick up again just like the mdma scene when drone was banned.
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You told me you tried it and fucking hate the stuff....
 
MXE seems to get better and better the more i do it. once a week at the moment, been doing it for a long time, still hardly built any tolerance, afterglow still lasts for days and its benefited me in various ways. never used to get an afterglow... then it clicked. dunno why. this stuff is fucking brilliant. bring on the weekend, i wanna take the copter for another twisted weird adventure down the rabbit hole
 
SamhainGrim said:
It isn't the presence of methoxetamine that's affecting the ketamine market - it's the clampdown on manufacturing in the third-world countries that used to be responsible for the global supply (India in particular). Just like it wasn't the presence of mephedrone that caused the MDMA shortage.

So unfortunately (for ket-heads anyway) methoxetamine being made illegal wouldn't help the ketamine market one bit.
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i understand what i put in bold but i think if methoxetamine is band and the quality drops very low then the demand will increase for K and people will go out of their way to get it instead of buying cut mxe. the price of K probly will increase to silly levels just like £10 pills but hopefully things will simmer down and a new and powerful manufacturer will take over. anyway im sidetracking here...
 
^ Unless underground chemists start manufacturing it, there will be no resurgance as big industrial manufacturers, like the one in India, are now subject to harsh penalties for doing a side line in supplying the ket market. Unfortunately, the chances of underground chemists manufacturing ket to supply the market are slim to none as unlike MDMA which has a precursor that can be grown & extracted from plant material, ketamine is totally synthetic and the precursors are far too specific, such thay labs would be tracked down pretty quickly. I know that people could argue that LSD & amphetamine are easily available, but that's because of other factors; LSD is so potent that it only requires a small amount of ergotamine (which incidentally is a plant extracted product) to make a shit load of doses - 10 000 000 doses from a kilo of LSD as opposed to 5 000-10 000 doses of ketamine from a kilo. Amphetamine abounds because it's such a simple molecule (that's easy tho synth) that there are a myriad of chems that can be used as a precursor. Ketamine requires very specific precursors and isn't simple bathtub chemistry to make, like amphetamine is (it requires using weird, highly dangerous chemicals such as Grignard reagents, which are not really suitable for using in conditions found in speed & meth labs). That's why PCP is so rare,despite being in high demand - specific precursors, voilatile reagents and dangerous chemistry (and most clandestinely produced PCP is full of nasty side reaction contaminants and generally of not good quality)

Afraid if methoxetamine goes the journey, dissociatives are going to end up as rare as hen's teeth for most people. A plain & simple stark fact
 
There's still gonna be DXM. I know you can't do it every day like K or methox but for me a good DXM trip is untouchable. Benylin dry coughs is perfect (has no dangerous extra chemicals, just a tiny bit of ethanol)if you don't mind chugging the syrup. Otherwise, a fairly painless acid bass extraction should isolate the goods. Also, though not a favourite with vendors, you can get hold of the pure powder on the net if you spend a little time looking.
 
Hrmm..
Only 3 people I know have tried it, one lost the plot completely and went off wandering with no shoes for about 8 hours the other went a tad "strange" for a few days..
The third just said it was ok....
I think I'll just stick to my lovely lovely mdma.. :)
 
In the states it's not that common - ask any american BLer - and as far as I'm aware, the chems for making PCP (which while being fairly specific, aren't anywhere near as specific as ket) have a tendancy to come from the back door of chemical warehouses (one of the chemicals needed, piperidine, is a scheduled monitored precursor). While this could happen for ket, you've got to take into account that a) PCP has a dose that is one twentieth of that needed for ketamine & b) the market price of a gram of PCP is quite a bit more than that for a gram of ket. Add to that ket is a much more complex synthesis and any ket that could be found would command astronomical prices, like several times that of even the most expensive ket at the moment. A good comparison would be with that of DMT ie £100/g - and DMT can be obtained by extraction from plant sources as well as synthesis!


Oh just read through your post again and assume you must be from the states? A lot of people I've talked to have said PCP is something that requires a lot of time & effort to track down. As for the UK, yes there is a demand - have a look at one of those wish list threads and see how many UK/European BL have PCP on their wish list. The only PCP I've ever had came from a friend who's a gifted organic chemist and has a taste for trying obscure and exotic pharmacological agents
 
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seen this mentioned in The Sun newspaper today at the health article page saying that it causes bladder cramps... not sure if i missed an actual article or what, was pretty random
 
furrball said:
Hrmm..
one lost the plot completely and went off wandering with no shoes for about 8 hours
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That's fucking funny mate, and uhm doesn't surprise me too much either - this shit is "potent", and I'm using that term in its scientific sense, which loosely translates to amount of physical effect on the nervous system per every amount in grams of drug taken (trying not to sound like a knob while writing that). It's like the new MDPV, well accept that it's actually a decent drug and MDPV was a just a catastrophe in a bag. But seriously, unless you have the tolerance of a grade A K head, do not even consider doing that medium sized looking 100 mg bump. This will simply sky rocket you right past the glorious and subtle high into pure delerium, and probably then leave you well into 2 second digit / memory span land (and i'm talking about a sobre bump here!).

The thing is, most people probably wouldn't like it that much anyway. Even if your mates did it at sensible doses - which they may well have done btw, obviously I don't know anything about any of these individual situations. I was just having a laugh while making a point just now, and you genuinely really did crack me up laughing with your post. Just to reiterate, since i'm new to BL, that I'm a massive fan of dissociatives and regard methox as a truly class addition to the pack. That said, I am well aware of how much an aquired taste dissociatives are. Out of all my mates that i've done mandy with over the years, i'd say there's probably only about 30 % that would say they really like doing K / methox / DXM etc. About another third of them find these drugs "alright" - better than nothing if you wanna get high, maybe sort of a bit like how a lot of fairly seasoned drug users think about alcohol. Then theres another third that just find it makes them feel weird or reminds them of what's like to be "ill" (and I really am quoting a specific individual on that). Dissociatives make everthing twisted and wrong. That's why K heads like me spontaneously woke up one day and started calling it "wonky". I guess there just has to be something hidden in it somewhere that makes innately wrong people like me feel normal for once instead.
 
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