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Now I'm fearing tripping.. Please help... really :( !

Kishka

Kishka

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Hi,

First of all I don't know where to start but I have a few questions about something that make me nervous!

As you know I've done several experiences with 2C-C and felt fine the whole time. I also researched 2C-D at 5mg (which was definately active but ultra mild), 10 mg (a bit mild), 15 mg (something is definately going on), 25 mg (Ok the visuals start) and 40mg !

With the 40 mg dose I really felt the increase in heart-rate and I was a bit nervous for a whole thirdy minutes during my trip but it passes well and enjoy it a lot !

Basically I wanna try 2C-E so 2 days ago I made an "allergy" test of 2 mg and I swear I felt a light weird buzz, well I feel a bit weird but nothing that I can define to "Trippy".

And not so long ago I came across an article that make me said : "No way I will use drugs again for sure !".

It was an article about a 17 years old guy which die after taking pure MDMA. His mom said that he was not feeling well during the dinner and admit to have take a drugs.
His mother rush him to hospital and he had a worrysome heart-rate of 250 BPM, organs were failling to work and he was overheating. He was pronounced dead 15 minutes when he was in the hospital. They said that he die from a heart-attack and extreme upped temperature because of the MDMA.

I also read something on the net about a 22 guy which die after taking LSD. He was having a bad trip and his friend said he was running on the street half-naked and screaming. The cops show and he was panicking a lot with that event and he fall drop dead on the floor. The toxicologist said that he die from an heart-attack and very elevated blood pressure. Cause : Panick Attack which lead to heart-attack induces by LSD.

So I was like : Holy mother of s***

Here's some questions, I need reassurance !!

1) Since I only use Research Chemicals, I want to know if it's possible that the chemical ITSELF can induce very high heart rate or dangerous blood pressure EVEN if you feel calm the whole time ? So what I mean is : Let's say I took 2C-E and that it's elevating my heart-rate very high only due to the 2C-E chemical properties. It is possible that a chemical can do that even if my mind feel calm during the trip ? So that's can mean I can die.

2) Is that true that panic attacks induces heart-attack ??

3) If I take recommended dose based on Erowid.org (Not too strong, not too mild). It is still possible to have worrying health effects ?

4) My main worry now like I took let's say 2C-D or maybe 2C-E with common doses and then out of nowhere my heart or blood pressure start to going crazy or rise the fuck up and have some health troubles that need medical intervention...

I asked these questions cause I heard that 2C-X act somewhat on the way that MDMA did, so I thing they may share properties.

What do you think ? :(
 
Don't worry so much. All this type of experimentation carries risk. You're stressing yourself out will lead to elevated heart rate and blood pressure by itself. Vasoconstrictive drugs in combination can, in extreme duress, lead to complications, of course. But there have been exponentially more safe (relatively) trials than disastrous ones over the many years these drugs have been used. Don't unnecessarily cause your body any more stress than that which the drug exerts, and you should be dandy.
 
"heart-rate of 250 BPM"

I dont think thats even possible?

You seem excessively nervous about your heart dear, I remember you also were nervous about elevated heartrate in a 2C-C thread. What do you do in the gym when your heart goes to 170BPM? Are you also afraid of heartattacks in that given situation?

DONT WORRY.
 
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hi kishka :D

..from what you've said in this post, it sounds to me like you are a bit of a worrier. totally undertandable; after all, you said yourself you only take research chemicals, and there are a lot of unkniowns. most rc's have a short history of human trials, and bc of this, a lot of questions remain unanswered. only time and documented experimentation can help us to have more answers, but in the meantime, there is no set it stone answer to much of any question regarding possibilities of adverse reactions in the lesser known rc's. its highly unlikely for 2c-e to cause you dangerous bp, but there is no definate answer. one things for sure: worrrying too much will def raise your heart rate and bp.

just based on the fact that you seem nervous by nature, id most def do more research on 2c-e before taking a full dose if i were you. i see youve taken 2c-c and 2c-d, which are good starting points, but 2c-e is a totally different animal. its much more intense, both visually and mentally. many users report a strong body load on it, such as nausea and a general sense of unease at the comeup, which im sure could spark some anxiety in some, esp if you ae worrier by nature. i personally have tried it between 10-20 times at doses up to 35 mg, and never got any nausea from it, but that is not a typical result.

i think it is good and healthy that you have questions and concern regarding trying a new substance; it shows that you acctually care about your mind nd body.. some ppl would just dive right in knowing nothing. but it also shows that you need to do more reseasrch for your own personal peace of mind and knowedge...read up on 2c-e..theres actually a lot of info on that one as its one of the more researched. read through the big n dandy thread; theres hundreds and hundreds of posts from new and experienced users. be sure to check out the trip reports on it here and over at erowid too. that way you can decide for yourself if 2c-e is for you or not, as it is certainly one of those that is not for everyone. maybe once you eduacte yourself a little more on it, youll decide you want to try it next; then again you may change your mind and decide to wait until youre more experienced for that one. no one can really answer that question for you but yourself.

its not suprising that you got a mild feeling from your 2mg allergy test. 2c-e is quite potent and powerful; way moreso than 2cc and 2cd. i have personally researched 2c-c and 2c-e quite a bit; and i can tell you personally thy dont share much in common as far as headspace. many describe 2c-e as 'cold' in nature, while 2c-c is known for being warm and forgiving. ive heard a few ppl say that 2c-d is most similar to 2c-e except more forgiving and much less potent, but i cant attest to that as 2c-d is one of the few PEA's i have yet to try. i can tell you this: ive heard of ppl taking upwards to 100mg or more of 2c-d with successful and positive results. you yourself said you sampled it at 40mg, right? 40mg of 2c-e, although explored by quite a few and safe dosewise, would knock your head right off your shoulders and send you into anotheer dimension. ego death and OBE are entirely possible at this dose for someone w no tolerance. It has a very high dose response curve, meaning that there are big differences in small dose variations; for example, 10mg, 15mg, and 20mg are all completely different trips. a couple mgs can make a huge difference, so id advice that if you dont have an accurate mg scale, you use liquid measurement to get the most precise reading as possible. and if you cant wait to try it before doing more reaserch, start low. remember, you had therhold effects at 2mg and that was just supposed to be just your allergy test; it may be best you not go above 5mg your first time, since you now know that you are clearly sensitive to the drug and that tolerance is no issue for you.

hope that helps some. keep learning and be safe! :D
 
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You must enter every experience with any chemical knowing their are risks associated with it that you may never even conceive and the price you pay could always be your life. As long as you research and use safely though there isn't much need to worry, I only carry my knowledge in my head because its the truth and it always keeps me grounded. Any chemical has the potential to kill anyone, its just the way it is, but like stated with solid research and safe use the risk diminishes quite greatly. With psychedelics the main worry IMO, is not death as long as your not going outright crazy with your doses, its that you will be able to fully handle the trip. Also worrying about BPM/heart rate/BP whilst tripping is once again IMO infinitely useless. You'll just get yourself worked up about it because if your checking it means your worried and if your worried unless you have a timer next to you, you will distort the results. High heart rate can happen, it happens with many drugs as well as changes in blood pressure but we would already know a million times over(especially with 2c-e)if this was a worrisome effect in an immanent sense.
 
Ok thank you to all for your precise answers :)

But so I was wondering if the chemical action let's say of 2C-E can elevated your heart-rate without stress or something ? I just fear for exemple that I take let's say a 10 mg dose and then out of nowhere my heart start racing even if I feel calm.
 
2c-e won't make you feel like your heart rate is elevated, in fact, it calmed me the fuck down. so, you'll be good :)
 
Sometimes I notice my heart pounding when I'm doing different experiments, and while I try to take it as a good sign that I am alive, sometimes it does bother me.

The sympathetic and parasympathetic aspects of your nervous system monitor your heart rate and pupil dilation (among many other things) so that you can appropriately respond to stressful situations. So when your body is faced with a new kind of challenge, it is perfectly normal for your heart rate to increase, so that more oxygen reaches your vital organs and you will become more alert and capable.

Not only are drugs often a new kind of challenge in general, they can also directly effect the sympathetic nervous system (which increases awareness and heart rate) and/or the parasympathetic nervous system (which decreases it). In this way, I understand that drugs COULD effect your heart rate directly, yes. But keep in mind that everybody responds to these things in a unique way, and set and setting are always crucial.

Also keep in mind that these systems (sympathetic and parasympathetic) are designed by their very nature to ensure survival of the organism. The sympathetic nervous system is activated (increased heart rate) in order that the person can protect themselves in tricky situations - it is working in your favor.

TL;DR - Psychs have the potential to increase your heart rate, but that alone does not necessarily need to be a worry. It is a sign that the sympathetic nervous system is doing it's job, and my guess is that the heart attacks you read about were either confounded by other significant factors or an extremely rare reaction to the drugs.
 
I took 10mg of 2C-E once, it's a really gentle psychedelic, colorful and playful, very light body feelings. It makes you gassy as all fuck, though. It's not really like MDMA, it won't make you feel speedy and it won't give you the cold sweats or make your muscles tense up or anything, it's actually pretty relaxing. I found that it doesn't really put you in a 'deep' frame of mind, that is to say, you won't start questioning your existence unless you really want to, so it's pretty unlikely that you'll get so freaked out you'll have a heart attack. Which, unless you're like 90 years old or take way too much, is most likely not going to happen anyways. No need to worry so much, your expectations will color your experience.
 
yeah come think of it, i wouldnt say its stimulating compared to say, 2c-i..but at the same time i wouldnt call it sedating or relaxing like 2c-c. its quite unique. like i said, with the -e its just alot less of a warm or friendly feeling as say 2c-c. its alot more emotionless..and visual. and for me, no nausea like many report, but a strange bodyload. some find it unpleasant. i dont, just strange and not nearly as friendly as 2c-b, or 2c-c. i always get these really bizzare thought loops on it..not bad, just fantasy like and strange. read up on it a little more, try to get a feel for its character, and start low and you'll be fine.

and like everyone else said, try not to worry too much!

peace :)
 
I will try, your answers make me less nervous. But some weeks ago I took 40 mg of 2C-D (the experiences last a solid 4.5h) and sometimes during the trip I was sitting in a chair and I feel my heart elevated and I could feel it through my whole body. I was like : Why I have this ? Why my heart beating so fast ? It's scare me a bit for 30 minutes ~ then I tried not noticing it but I still have this thoughts in my mind during the whole trip. So I thought that the chemical ITSELF directly induces elevated heart-rate while being calm.

So that's why I asked if a compound can directly affect your blood pressure / heart-rate without going in troubles or something more serious like hospitalisation even with "normal" dose. So still any insights about this question ?

Would be greatly appreciated !
 
no problem..im always happy to help and answer any questions i can; i remember what its like to be new to all these things and the concerns that come with them. the feeling you are talking about that you had on 2c-d, that is a typical normal feeling on the 2c's. its almost like a rush of energy flowing through your body. thats always going to be present. i think once you realize that is one of the effects, and that its perfectly normal, you'll see it actually feels quite nice when youre not panicking about it.
if it makes you feel better, next time you trip take your pulse and bp both before you dose, and during the comeup and peak. also, check them when you are resting at home, and check them after going for a run or doing some excercise. write them all down and compare the differences, or report here if youre not sure and we can tell you if its normal or not :)

i used to worry about the same things that worry you now, but i got used to it, and over time, came to avtually enjoy some stimulation. when channeled properly, it really can be a nice feeling. it doesnt have to be something that makes you nervous. all those stories you read about ppl dying of heart attacks, rtc.- those are isolated incidences that fall in the minority compared to how may ppl come out fine. theres always gonna be unfortunate exceptions and freak accidents with anything.

for example, every once in a while you'll read about a devastating plane crash..but in reality when you look at the stats its quite a rare occurance and actually safer than driving. youre always gonna hear about the negative things and freak accidents in the media; theyre not gonna report on the news that some guy took 30mg of 3c-e and had a great time, lol. but one person passes away, and they make a huge deal out of it saying they have found the latest new dangerous drug. take all of those stries w a grain of salt. just educate yourself and do the necc things to stay safe, and more than likely you have nada to worry about :)

just keep in mind.. most of the phenethylamines(2c-x,dox,mdxx,etc) are all going to, at the vey least, slightly raise you bp and heart rate. its not a bad thing, its quite normal. the feeling you are tal

since it such a concern for you, i would just stsy away from the speedier ones- for example, although friendly and easy on the mind, 2c-i is very stimulating...too much for some. all the DOx are as well. DOC being the least imo, but in general they are all gonna stimulate you to some degree.

if using these chems is something you enjoy doing, thats just a physiological fact youre gonna have to get used to.

so long as you dont have any heart problems, or on any medications that may increase these effects, you really have nothing to worry about.

let me ask you this, when you tried 2c-c, what doses did you explore? how did you find it's effects on your body? just curious on how it affected you bc for me, it really is one of the most calming PEA's ive tried..
 
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I know fear of death seems logic and obvious, but it isn't necessarily so. I appreciate your concerns with harm reducion, and no more than you, I don't want to die now, but I recommend you to analyze better your phrase:
"Now I'm fearing tripping"

Maybe you should go further in the analysis and ask yourself how do you fear death and why is it so.
 
thanks plusfourpirate.

Well for 2C-C I did 15mg, 20mg, 25mg and then jump directly into 75 mg. I felt very comfortable with this chem actually. I can alsmost sleep on it, it's very peaceful! 2C-D on the other hand was the exact opposite, It was not really overstimulating but yeah I could definately feel a rise in BP / heart-beat / temperature compared to the 2C-C. And my dumbest idea was to read theses stories about these guys and since I'm prone to anxiety easily (Taking Xanax 2mg x2 per day since 4 years) so that's why I fear to have an anxiety attacks or a abnormally dangerous heart-rate / BP / temperature while tripping and then dying due to the panic attack or physical symptoms. I know I can sound like I'm worrying a way to much. But I don't really know how these chemicals works in the body (I just read a lot of trip reports, Wikipedia, Tihkal, Pihkal, ect...). I just heard that for example the 2C-series are somewhat similar in MDMA in the body. And then I heard about these horror stories about pure MDMA that the guy die after taking it make me reconsider taking 2C-X chemical again. So now 3 days ago I took 2 mg 2C-E (liquid measurement) and I swear that I feel something, a strange light buzz in my body which last seriously 7 - 8 hours. No visuals effects or "trippy" state but could feel something different in my body.

So I'm sorry annoying you and stuff but I have this problem in my head about these stuff. I'm quite new into the RC scene (My friend introduces me not so long ago) and I must admit that I really enjoy psychedelics experiences but the physical effects make me worrying / nervous. I just mainly fear that I take a 2C-X at "common" dose based on Erowid and then it rise my heart-rate way higher or blood pressure and dropping dead on the ground or having a stroke / heart-attack. I fear that the chemical action in the body rise all these things suddenly without having a bad trip or something.

Hope you'll understand.

Peace and thank you all, appreciated it ! <3
 
If I were you talking about my own experines here I would just not even get into it it to temting once you did it you will want to do it again and if you do one thing wrong that might be the end of you...
 
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If I were you talking about my own experines here I would just not even get into it it to temting once you did it you will want to do it again and if you do one thing wrong that might be the end of you...
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What ??
 
Ok so just took 8 mg of 2C-E. Let you know how it goes :) I have Xanax in the pocket just in case :P
 
Okay well just be carefull nothings gonna hapen just let this be a one time experience okay? It'S to dangerous!
 
I wouldn't worry about it at all, these type of reactions are SO rare, and far more likely to be brought on psychologically. Enjoy your trip, keep your xanax to hand and go outside :)

8mg of 2C-E is a lovely amount, not too challenging but still really enjoyable.
 
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