Heroin Social: Version 5

[blondin]

Many people self medicate with opiates to combat depression why? because it works and doesnt fuck up your brain chemistry like the propiertary drugs that are prescibed.

 

[brimz]

Yeah so i saw my Gp he's alright in fact i'm lucky to be with him given some of the amateurs around these days.

He sorted me out with a nice sexy grade 2 stocking to help the blood flow in my leg and was honest about the situation .
Also he has agreed to increase my methadone as it is obvious that i need to be on a Higher dose to stop the gear working and well it was just fukin obvious !
Had my key bothered to come in yesterday i could have titrated today but because he didn't i have to wait GP has to cover his back , i can live with that though .
Junkies are good at waiting.

 

[kkattastic]

this is so true
I have been self medicating for years and my psychiatrist is unsurprised as it seems lotsa others with mental health issues do the same thing

I hear you about getting a benzo script tho
it took me ages to get a doc to listen to me
i was buying benzos online and told the docs about this
they know that buying online is dodgy but they still wouldn't write a script
eventually i found a doc that listened and didn't pass the buck(tell me to ask a diff doc)
by prescribing I am now only using one kind of benzo and they can see that I am not caning it and getting myself a benzo habit
you just have to keep trying with every doc you come across

 

[wcote]

the problem is when people with metal health problems, such as schizophrenia have an 'episode' then take some crack, that is BAD. I dont do crack, so I havent really taken not of weather people do it before are after smack, but he always had a toot of crack before, sent him fucking loopy if he wasnt well.

darn crack, would send him thru the roof if the gear was weak.... which aint that uncommon at the moment.

 

[strungout2010]

I also self medicate with gear. Fucked myself good and proper with pills 89-98 , Dr put me on Prozac , didn't do fuck all.
If I hadn't stuck with the gear , I don't think I'd be here today ( iknow that sounds mad ) but I believe it's true.

@Brimz
I think the relationship you have with your Dr is fantastic , I'd love to get my jollop off my GP. All the old bollocks you get from the CDT now days makes things hard work.
My GP gives me 28 vals a month , so I'm grateful for that.

 

[monstanoodle]

Re: Heroin for self medication....
It's the greatest and worst Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Hypnotic and all-round-mood-booster in the world.
That's where the worst part comes into play too

In my personal experience (obviously not for everyone), I definitely think that being on a lesser form of Opiate (Codeine / DHC) and a Benzo (Diazepam) is a much more effective replacement therapy than Methadone or Buprenorphine.
Shorter half-life, shorter withdrawal, easier to taper. Just seems so much better to my form of using gear.

 

[Myshkin]

Is that how you ended up on the codeine script then?

Did you have to ask for that or was it a recommendation? I've always wondered since I saw you taking your script that time. Not that I have many other clear memories of that day.

I've known one person on a DHC maintenance script but she had to fight for it a bit because methadone's so heavily pushed.

 

[monstanoodle]

Is that how you ended up on the codeine script then?

Did you have to ask for that or was it a recommendation? I've always wondered since I saw you taking your script that time. Not that I have many other clear memories of that day.

I've known one person on a DHC maintenance script but she had to fight for it a bit because methadone's so heavily pushed.

In a way it was yes:

I'd tried Buprenorphine, it went well for 3 days but then the cravings just smashed me in the face really roughly.
So, we upped the dose but it was still really bad. Aaaand I went back to gear heavily.
After a short time I was drinking quite a bit also. Then my last remaining Grandparents passed away and I just knew for certain that things were going to get worse, that I was going to drink myself into a stupor (and later did into hospital) and possibly switch to IVing or getting more cash somehow to use more gear.
I didn't want to touch Methadone as I've read so many reports of people's tapering experiences and withdrawals on here and seen friends go through them too.

So I went to my GP, layed all that down and she agreed that it would be better than ending up in a very deep grave (and I thank her massively for understanding).

When I was on Buprenorphine I thought to myself that if I were prescribed Diazepam as well then I'd have had a better time (aka. more success) with it. I may have mentioned it to said "addiction specialist doctor blokey" but he obviously wasn't keen.

RambleRambleRambleRamble!

[/Ramble]

Oh - And my best mate got onto a DHC + Diazepam script (after 'Done) and he's doing really well

 

[Myshkin]

No ramble whatsoever!

It's a good post which might open up a few avenues to those who want to try an alternative to that green shite. I did a 'rapid detox' on black market methadone last year, but it almost went horribly wrong for obvious reasons.

I can't see how methadone suits people with (or aspiring to) a 'mainstream' lifestyle at all. I'd nod out at my desk all the time.

 

[kkattastic]

I was admitted to hospital to do a detox
They thought I was using methadone but on arrival I confessed to being addicted to heroin as I had purposely done this to make the detox easier
So,instead of Making me do a methadone taper,I was prescribed a 3 weeks detox using DF's.
This worked pretty well until I found gear being brought into the unit and did what I always do....FAIL!

When I (and my mother who was with me) asked at addiction services about getting onto a DF script to manage my habit,we were told that you either use Subutex,methadone or there is the door.All the papers we had printed out regarding countries like Switzerland having a good amount of success using this method of treatment,meant nothing.I was just another junkie and they held all the cards.Nobody would ever care if the treatment I received was one that I was happy with or whether it was in y best interests.Nobody cares.End of story

 

[PapaverSom]

In a way it was yes:

I'd tried Buprenorphine, it went well for 3 days but then the cravings just smashed me in the face really roughly.
So, we upped the dose but it was still really bad. Aaaand I went back to gear heavily.
After a short time I was drinking quite a bit also. Then my last remaining Grandparents passed away and I just knew for certain that things were going to get worse, that I was going to drink myself into a stupor (and later did into hospital) and possibly switch to IVing or getting more cash somehow to use more gear.
I didn't want to touch Methadone as I've read so many reports of people's tapering experiences and withdrawals on here and seen friends go through them too.

So I went to my GP, layed all that down and she agreed that it would be better than ending up in a very deep grave (and I thank her massively for understanding).

When I was on Buprenorphine I thought to myself that if I were prescribed Diazepam as well then I'd have had a better time (aka. more success) with it. I may have mentioned it to said "addiction specialist doctor blokey" but he obviously wasn't keen.

RambleRambleRambleRamble!

[/Ramble]

Oh - And my best mate got onto a DHC + Diazepam script (after 'Done) and he's doing really well

Thats interesting mate..I also tried to detox with subutex many many times but couldnt succeed, longest clean on subbies was 3-4 weeks. I once in a fit of desperation took about 10x8ml subbies, and was still clucking, it was like no matter how much I took it just wasnt filling that opiate void. So I went on the dreaded green, and I gotta say, I dunno why so many people hate it. I refused to go on it for a good two years for the same reasons you mentioned, till there wasnt much choice. but For me its enabled me to go back to work and get my life back. Ive been on it about 4 years now on 80 ml and admittedly Ive never tried to stop or reduce, though I will reduce soon. But the thought of being on a low dose of meth, for however long it may take, doesnt really scare me. Why should it? But there are better treatment options deffo, like medical H itself, and people seem to get on well with morphine amps. I think the point is everyones different and what works for one might not for another. So what is your script monsta, is it dhc and diazepam then?

 

[ructions]

.I was just another junkie and they held all the cards.Nobody would ever care if the treatment I received was one that I was happy with or whether it was in my best interests.Nobody cares.End of story

Yes this was the exact attitude that i got off my Doctor when i went for help over my heroin addiction. I had done a small bit of research & i wanted to talk to the Doctor about different options for getting clean. I was told that i either go on a methadone maintenance program or i go cold turkey, i had to choose one or else go away, he wouldn't even discuss anything else with me even when i told him i was totally depressed & suffered from anxiety, i also told him that i had problems dealing with my past & heroin was the only thing that had ever truly helped me to forget my past.

It turns out that methadone is the only treatment offered for heroin addiction in Ireland, my Doctor didn't want to know about how i felt, he just put me on methadone & that was that, end of!

I think Monstanoodles method sounds really great, its probably too late for me now coz i have been addicted to both methadone & heroin for years, plus there is no way that a Doctor in backwards Ireland would give me that option! But Codeine & Diazepam seems like a much better treatment! Fair play to you Monastanoodle, you should have become a Doctor yourself! That was really good thinking on your part! I really admire you for knowing what you needed & knowing what would work best for you, & then for standing up & getting what you wanted! Good man yourself!!!

I had very little knowledge of prescription drugs so i wouldn't have really known what to ask for anyway, my research was very limited at the time coz that was before i had discovered the internet!

What is DHC? Is it a strong form of Codeine? (yeah yeah, i know google it! & i will, i'd just like to hear peoples personal descriptions of it, thanx! )

 

[Myshkin]

DHC is about 1.5 times the strength of codeine.

Some people prefer it, some don't. I think Monsta's on codeine.

Kat - that's just inhumane and wrong.

 

[wcote]

I think its is a case of trial and error. Unfortunately.

For me Subutex works, does the job. I feel clear headed, I can function. I dont WANT to use, if I do use its cus im in the room and I think fuck it. But I would have been on a blocking dose, so learnt quickly thats a waste!

Methadone I got on it for a week, when drought was on. It did the job, ie stopping me cluck. But I wanted to use, I wasnt clear headed. Both my SCAZ nurses have told me they would never put me on it anyway. I would have to ask for it.

DHC now I have done that illegally. Yup does very well. It wouldnt be my choice, cus I like the blocking effect of Subutex.

When I went to my DR last FEB, first thing he said was 'we are not the place that does DHC scripts' which I found interesting, maybe in Bristol there is a DR's which does do them?

Im getting back on a subutex script, I need some 'stability' and subutex helps.

 

[monstanoodle]

When I (and my mother who was with me) asked at addiction services about getting onto a DF script to manage my habit,we were told that you either use Subutex,methadone or there is the door.All the papers we had printed out regarding countries like Switzerland having a good amount of success using this method of treatment,meant nothing.I was just another junkie and they held all the cards.
Nobody would ever care if the treatment I received was one that I was happy with or whether it was in my best interests...

That's really fuckin shit honey!
DHC is a listed potential for ORT (incase anyone's still unaware that it stands for Opioid Replacement Therapy) that is allowed to be used, even chosen, if Methadone and Bupre haven't worked.
So they're in the wrong that they didn't offer you it.

Infact you also should have been able to choose Diamorphine. The point still stands - You should have a certain amount of control over in what way you choose to tackle your addiction and manage your ORT.
Perhaps it's part of this "Postcode Lottery" bollocks?
If you can find yerself a GP who's understanding then get them to script you some DHC or get them to write a letter of recommendation to your "specialist" suggesting DHC.
Perhaps with any luck you'll get the treatment you too rightly deserve!!!!

Thats interesting mate...
I also tried to detox with subutex many many times but couldnt succeed, longest clean on subbies was 3-4 weeks.
I once in a fit of desperation took about 10x8ml subbies, and was still clucking, it was like no matter how much I took it just wasnt filling that opiate void...

There's a reason for taking that much and experiencing WD's:
When you take Buprenorphine, it has a partial Agonist-Antagonist property.
It's to do with the metabolite produced that causes the µ-Antagonist effect. So the more you take, the more of this metabolite you're ingesting too.
It really is a case of "less is more" (which has been repeated till the cows turn pink on BL) when it comes to Buprenorphine.
I've read so many reports of people saying this in Other Drugs.
It's a weird one.
That's why some people don't respond well to Bupre like I and you:

1. Our system doesn't agree with having any partial µ-Antagonist properties.
2, We may produce more of the particular metabolite due to enzyme production.
3. We take too high a dose and all of these factors come into play.

There may have been more points I wished to add but my brain's not working

So I went on the dreaded green, and I gotta say, I dunno why so many people hate it. I refused to go on it for a good two years for the same reasons you mentioned, till there wasnt much choice. but For me its enabled me to go back to work and get my life back. Ive been on it about 4 years now on 80 ml and admittedly Ive never tried to stop or reduce, though I will reduce soon. But the thought of being on a low dose of meth, for however long it may take, doesnt really scare me. Why should it? But there are better treatment options deffo, like medical H itself, and people seem to get on well with morphine amps. I think the point is everyones different and what works for one might not for another.

Exactly - Every person uses for their own individual reasons, and those factors should be taken into account when it comes to OTR.
It's great that Methadone has worked for you mate - Well, atleast it's kept you comfortably stable over those years.
I just hope that, when you come to your tapering regime, you find it alright and not too harsh.
Infact, I've heard of people go from Methadone, to tapering it down as low as they can, then going onto something like DHC or Morphine to make that last bit of tapering much less harsh than it would be otherwise
That's always an option

So what is your script monsta, is it dhc and diazepam then?

Nah I'm on Codeine and Diazepam (and Nitrazepam) and have been tapering down for quite a long time, but I've stopped due to this bizniz with my finger injury.
Compared to DHC, I've always found Codeine much more "comfy" and a better substitute. Possibly due to one of it's metabolites being Morphine, but a larger part of it is Codeine-6-glucuronide (C6G) - ~60% compared to Morphine which is ~10% of what Codeine's metabolised into.

 

[wcote]

The fact your on Codeine instead of DHC, shows without prescribing diamorphine, its is about finding what works for you

Do some people find it difficult to be prescribed Diazepam even for getting off street Diazepam? I didnt but I can see some DRs being a bit crap.

 

[monstanoodle]

The fact your on Codeine instead of DHC, shows without prescribing diamorphine, its is about finding what works for you

Do some people find it difficult to be prescribed Diazepam even for getting off street Diazepam? I didnt but I can see some DRs being a bit crap.

Oh totally - It's a very invidualistic process is an individual's ORT (that reads back to be such a fucking "Awww yeh I hadunt fouwt uh dat!" phrase ).
And it just goes to show how many different reasons people use and what effects they seek the most

As for getting scripted Benzos in general - It really is completely up to the doctor you see.
GP's who have been in their position for longer have been more understanding when it came to my need for them (not all of them, but a larger proportion).
But to not be put on a course of Diazepam / Chlordiazepoxide for being physically and mentally dependent on Benzos acquired via non-scripted means is irresponsible* in my eyes



*Then again, we - the ones who take them in the first place - are the most irresponsible in the end ay?
But we're human, we fuck up, we all do

 

[griffin79]

It turns out that methadone is the only treatment offered for heroin addiction in Ireland, my Doctor didn't want to know about how i felt, he just put me on methadone & that was that, end of!
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DHC are DF118's ruct .... I got them once and know of a few people that got them. The way we got was 55 of them 10 the 1st day 9 the next and then 8 and so on even know one guy that use't to get them off Doc a good few times he has same Doc as me .Time i got them didn't even get to take one of them cause i brought them into rehab whit me and in this place they won't take you if there are any kind of tablets or grass in fact they will only take you if heroin is the only thing in you

Anyway i was a bit stoned from h going into this place and had drop a up john 90 they asked me if i had more i said ya and gave them about half of what i had witch was about 90 1mg + 30 0.5mg xanax's, 55 DF's, had a few D5's + D10's as well and some lilly's don't know way i even brought them lilly's any gave them just more than half them next morning me man came in woke me up and asked me to leave he had found another tablet when leaving i asked him for the tablets back he told me he had flushed them (as they are all x junkys)

anyway this is in Dublin and after leaving I scored by the key's smoked it and got into another rehab but that's another story one bad place i'd say you know it ructions if i think of the name of it i'll post it you def heard of it even heard a few storys from there if you can list a few of them think it starts whit an R..................?

 

[griffin79]

The fact your on Codeine instead of DHC, shows without prescribing diamorphine, its is about finding what works for you

Do some people find it difficult to be prescribed Diazepam even for getting off street Diazepam? I didnt but I can see some DRs being a bit crap.

I've no problem getting a RX for xanax's Doc even knew i was on the gear when he gave me them i know a lot of people here in Ireland can't get them it is hard but very easy get them on the street but there €2-€2.50 each

 

[watsons torment]

With JAHS blessing very soon - possibly tomorrow I will be getting some brown. Not smoked any in about 18 months, and I remember the last time smoking it having terrible technique and wasting a fair bit of it while chasing off foil.

What other ways can it be smoked?